The outcast

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   mischeviousmeposted 13 years ago

   The outcast is the individual that stumbles on to a way of thinking, that goes against the crowd. If not for Gandhi and many like him, there would still be a social caste system in India. But the caste system remains, for the ivory tower dictates all. Because I think I know something, I know nothing and so on, ad-infintum, infinitum. Every moment is an eternity, especialy when we dwell in our minds.
   
   Just think about it and get back to me.

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   A Troubled Manposted 13 years ago

   You appear to be obsessed with ivory and towers.

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      mischeviousmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I see the workings of my own mind only and if I sell myself to it, I have just put myself on a pedestal. To me, that is no way to live.

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   GoldenBirdposted 13 years ago

   Are you any against the caste-system?

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      mischeviousmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Absolutely. To alienate others is to miss the point all together.

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         GoldenBirdposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Do you have good knowledge about the caste-system? Just curious.

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            mischeviousmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I grew up in a Sufi, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian household. It gave me many angles with which to start from.

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               GoldenBirdposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Start from the Hindu angle.

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                  mischeviousmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  The Hindu caste system starts with the Brahman, the highest order. Then to the Kshatriyas, the warrior class. Follwing the order is the Sudras, the unskilled workers and finally the Pariah, the untouchable.

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                     GoldenBirdposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Is that hierarchy logical?

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                        mischeviousmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        It was 75, 80 years ago.

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                           GoldenBirdposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           What element has disturbed the logic?

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                              mischeviousmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Ghandi. It is the work of people that changes things and aspects of perception. Perceptions will remain the same if one does not point out the illogicality of it.

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                                 GoldenBirdposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 What logic justifies war?

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                                 GoldenBirdposted 13 years agoin reply to this

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                                    mischeviousmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    None. Fighting over logic is illogical.

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                                       GoldenBirdposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                       Hey, I got double-click.
                                       
                                       
                                       
                                       I know I hate to be a hair-splitter. But all of the caste-system may not be that bad. It's inhuman to have kept up the outcasts, but what about the rest?

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                                          mischeviousmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                          They are systems of thinking and what we think isn't always right.

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                                       GoldenBirdposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                       *always*
                                       
                                       
                                       *sometimes*

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                                          mischeviousmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                          My form of logic will always be different from another, but the middle ground is in accepting it. People don't like to just accept things, for they feel they will be proven wrong by it. This is an example of clinging and desire, in one's own rightness.

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                                             A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                             Then, it isn't logic.

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                                       GoldenBirdposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                       Well, I have been playing game. But the thing is, I am a Brahman myself, so I got some race-factor. I know it's not universally acceptable, and all human beings under the sun are equal. But are they really?

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                                          mischeviousmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                          If you turly want them to be, race has nothing to with it. I am as I am, no matter what I come from. The same can be said of all things, people and time. It is as it is, we only think it's not.

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                                       GoldenBirdposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                       Certain things only exist in philosophy. Or in the minds of people.

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                                          mischeviousmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                          Yes...

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   couturepopcafeposted 13 years ago

   m - Ghandi didn't accept the caste system and tried to change it. He was afraid of being proven wrong according to your statement.

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      couturepopcafeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      GB - all humans have equal potential energy but not actual energy.

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         GoldenBirdposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Interesting. Could you elaborate a little?

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            couturepopcafeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Thank you for your response. In theory, our infinite form is pure energy which cannot be created or destroyed. In that sense humans are all equal, with the same amount of energy (think of energy as what is at the heart of the atom). In our current physical form as flesh, we give off different amounts of current depending on our physical health. If we use food as an analogy, we know that live food can be measured in electrical current and dead food has no measurable electrical current. Brain scans show some brains being far more 'alive' than others due to lack or abundance of electrical pathways, all part of our general health/physical condition.

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               GoldenBirdposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               When was Socrates so elegant in biology?
               
               
               
               -I am joking :-)
               Thanks for the reply. "If thou two open a .."

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                  couturepopcafeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Ah, yes. The Socratic thinker listens and is open to all views. (In our world, reads alot) then uses his own discernment.
                  
                  "Think for Yourself"

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      GoldenBirdposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Tell me, do you think some people are born to rulers?

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         mischeviousmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         If that is what they seek, but there will always be dissension.

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            GoldenBirdposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            How will that dissension be dealt with?

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               mischeviousmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               It doesn't have to be. What you see as logical may differ from my form of logic. It is only opinion when we force it on others.

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                  GoldenBirdposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  The earth is a small place to hold the logic of each of us.

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                     mischeviousmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     In some ways, yes. Individual interpretations are the guiding force of the mind. We relly only think we are different, but from another angle, we are all the same.

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                        GoldenBirdposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        That's perhaps one of the origins of true religion- *unity of all of life*.

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                           mischeviousmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Things to do and only now to do them. Talk to you when I can later. Peace

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                              GoldenBirdposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Peace

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