Jesus wasn't the only kid to be born of God, the silly part is that many people think so. If there is a God that created man, then Jesus wasn't his only child. I don't believe that there is a God, I'm just pointing out how silly some christians tend to sound. Jesus being the only way to God is silly, because it's all God, we just haven't been willing or able to admit it. Besides the few that are willing to admit they know nothing, the greater crowd thinks they know everything and that's a very juvenile way to go about life.
I think you've misunderstood the standard Christian argument. They appear to believe we are all children of God and Jesus was God in the flesh.
I keep hearing that Jesus is the truth and the light and that none come before God except by him. That is making God mutually exclusive and that to me is very silly. That's like when a child snatches a toy and says "Ask my daddy, he bought it for me, not you". It's a very childish and arrogant way of telling people how they should envision God.
To put it in another way... Christians have a tendancy to say that one cannot be open minded about it. "This is th only way". I've heard that come from the mouths of many men that I once respected as the authority on the subject. No one knows anything and Jesus was only pointing out his path to God, not everyone elses. At least that's what I've gotten from it, as of late.
Well, I'll start out with saying that I believe there are many paths to enlightenment. But, I do think that a large part of the journey is spent on a single path. And there is nothing wrong with that. It's probably due to the fact that such a small amount of our time is free for spiritual reflection that it's easy to remain in one place. You have to remember that the Christian faith has had centuries to ponder the question and there is much that can be learned through study within it.
We all think we are on the correct path; but it is really only the path that is right for ourselves. I get frustrated with evangelical Christians too but, if truth is told, they are no different than anyone else who claims they know better how one should approach spirituality. They are only doing what they think is right for them. And assuming it is right for others also. They aren't unique in this behavior.
I can agree with that. I'm not trying to steer people clear of their faith, I just think that the whole "my idea your idea" thing is outmoded and a bit childish. If we are going to get anywhere as a society, we have to see everyone else's way as equally valid. If this means abollishing religion, so be it, though I would still think that would be just as silly.
You may have missed my point, because you apparently disagree while you are claiming to agree. Let me rephrase it.
How are you different from the Christian you are complaining about?
I'm not. I'm just as crazy as anyone else, though I can admit that I don't know anything. There are others that see it the way I do, but this is the path that I have chosen and no faith based remark or dialogue will prove me wrong. I see reality as it is and I don't fear or hope for a future that does not yet exist. I don't tell people that they are wrong and I've tried pointing out mistakes on all sides, even my own. The point is, one cannot be certain of anything. Our idealism changes just as the premise we base our beliefs and lives upon. We know absolutely nothing and until it can be proven without a doubt, it's all just a form of silliness.
I'm just as uncertain as anyone else in life. I have no idea what the future holds and I must just adventure into it just as everyone else. The future scares people because it is blank and being in the dark is the scariest thing for anyone. We create all sorts of fantastic stories, but in the end we still are just running the gauntlet of existance.
You appear to be projecting.
That to the side; you are not uncertain. You are as certain of your conclusions as those you are attempting to chastise. If you truly believed, and had internalized, what you said you would have had no need to state it.
I am not certain of my knowing. I can only say that which I've been coditioned to say,though I have conditioned myself to think in such a way. All of the posing and rationalizing in the world will not change the world as it is. All of this is and we just happen to be here to see it, whether we like it or not. So, all of the guessing and knowing aside, we're all just guessing and it's all very silly.
Good day Emile R (and all)...
Just looking in for a minute and this statement caught my eye and gave me a thought ( imagine that? )
And I'm going to post that thought before I have time to think about it.!?
Is it true that we are all children of God; but not until we are born in the flesh ?????
Who said that. (grinning broadly)
I'm grinning with you, yet I have no idea why.
Never. I have just realized that religious folk seem to think that salvation can be given to them. I just don't see it working that way and I'm not realy attacking anyone, I'm just pointing out a form of what I see as silliness.
Jesus still isn't the only "Child of God" but he is the only "Begotten Son of God." Every Human is a child of God, His creation.
Do you not see the flaw in that remark? If we are creations of God, then Jesus isn't his only begotten son. God in this sense has been made our stepfather and we've all been put aside to ask the bosses kid for help. It's just silly and therefor makes no sense what so ever.
Yeah, but the History Channel told us that the virgin Mary, like a lot of poor innocent Homo Erectus versions of females, was artificially inseminated by the ancient aliens via the ancient astronaut theory.
With all jokes set aside, you can't explain the Jesus in the New Testament without bringing up "magic" of some sorts, and that's what causes problems - but mainly 'cause there has never been anything "magical" proven to ever exist within this 3 dimensional realm, and I'd hope not, since I'm just another confused being living in the flesh and bounded by reality as I experience. Uh, duh! Oh, crap, I forgot what the question was...
Wait just a minute...
As the old Zen-based quote states: "It is clear that Zen is not a philosophy. It is beyond words and intellect and is not, as in the case of philosophy, a study of the processes governing thought and conduct, nor a theory of principles or laws that regulate people and the universe. For the realisation of Zen, practice is absolutely necessary. Nevertheless, Zen is neither a mere anti-intellectualism nor a cheap intuitism nor is it an encouragement to animal-like spontaneity. Rather, it embraces a profound philosophy. Although intellectual understanding cannot be a substitute for Zen's awakening, practice without a proper and legitimate form of intellectual understanding is often misleading."
With that being copied & pasted, what in the hell is the Jesus subject doing on a Zen forum to begin with???
I'm lost... Perhaps I need better road signs so I don't have to run into such things. What's next? People posting about Scientology in the "Hubber hangout" forum? Ever heard of being germane? LOL!
Anyway, have fun with it, as I may return back to this forum subject - but only if I need to reply to intelligent insults.
I was pointing out silliness from my point of view and I choose to write in the zen category, for that is a way of thinking formlessly. I say what I am thinking now, not twenty minutes ago and I never plan what I'm about to say. I can admit that everything I say is silliness, because it is how I feel, as one of the loonies in the institution of life.
Listen to this and tell me what you think.
It reminded me of a web page I once wrote that was talking about all-natural, drug-free sleep aids. Many thanks for this, as I'll definitely cut that sucker back on, when I try to go to sleep later.
By the way, I don't think it is wise to live life in the "death mode," so to speak, as the video plainly say to "shut up" and "quit thinking" and lets all dream of floating in the dead realm of reality via meditation. Ya know, that's fine and dandy to some, but I figure that I'll have plenty of time to contemplate the universe, if it is possible, after I die, so I say LIVE and be LOUD if need be, so as if I can breathe life through my vessel I can shout and/or express from it, as well! Now, back to what I originally said, your video link makes for an excellent drug-free sleep aid, or does it need drugs, as well, just to make sense? "Everything is Zen, everything is Zen, I don't think so." LOL!
Everything is what it is, it's right now. 4th dimensional happenings and they all happen now. The universe isn't here for you, your here for it. You might call it God or universe or whatever you like. It's all the same thing and it's all over the place.
I once wrote a page about the Anthropic Principle, if that's what you're saying...
I guess, I just looked up and it seems to flow with what I've been saying, yet consciousness is another thing all together. We are not able to explain it or the meaning of life. Until we can see it without our ego, we aren't really seeing it all. We see only the images our brains tell us to see and filters it through the ego to the primitive self, which in turn becomes a desire and an attachment.
We generaly desire sensations and they rule our senses, we make judgements (sometimes harsh) and we honestly think that it doesn't have anything to do with the illusion of reality. There is no way to tell anyone the meaning of life, only what life means to the individual. There are no words that will ever solve the why of consciousness.
No, dear, consciousness would be the backbone of the Anthropic Principle, if you think about it... Oh, scratch that, you say you shouldn't think or use your brain because it filters things out... Oh, great... It goes back to that "death mode" belief of meditation without brain crap... Dang! I'm confused now...
my brain is a tool and it's not in charge. If one can shut the brain up for a moment, the true senses come alive. That is the meaning of here and now, everything is still real, but if I let it, my brain makes an illusion of it.
You are still experiencing life through a capsule or vessel, so give the brain some credit, as it has a lot of crap to filter through while you're at it, so maybe you tell it to shut up when in fact, your brain could shut you up, if ya have a brain aneurysm, for example. Give the mind some good drugs and illusions, and you'll feel many things in an unruly fashion; give the mind some time with nature and natural surroundings, and you'll start seeing order from chaos without illusion.
In short: I never did experiment with LCD or PCP, like I said before, so please understand that I'm "not all here." Ha-ha!
I meant LSD, not LCD (whatever that is); oops!
We're all a creation of the here and now and that encompasses the whole of creation.
We would have always been children of God, but by the Christian dogma it would have been when the gentiles were grafted onto the vine. I guess.
I am curious about the born in the flesh statement. Where is that from?
Emile R, mischeviousme; I made it up ... "If we were ..... then we are ... then we are some more".
I think that "IF" my name was written in the book of life long before My physical body came into being?
I was probably someplace not too far away from the book!
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