How does one define self?

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  1. mischeviousme profile image61
    mischeviousmeposted 6 years ago

    I have a basic idea as to what I am, a human being with all of the working parts. But what is this "I", which resides within? Am I my name, my job or my title? I know that everything I see is an electrochemical response to light entering my eyes and that every feeling likewise. But who is this "I" that experiences said sensations?

    1. move2move profile image59
      move2moveposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Your Question:
      "But what is this "I", which resides within?
      My answer:
      Maybe "ME", just from another perspective, same the other way around ...
      One is everywhere and Self is multiple, not completely aware of  "One" ... ;-)

      1. mischeviousme profile image61
        mischeviousmeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        It's all one thing, that I can assertain for certain. The idea that "I" am the sum result of my experience, is another matter all together.

        1. move2move profile image59
          move2moveposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Before the experiences everybody does, start here on earth .. you "ARE" already ... So our experiences are what we experience but not what we are ... we come with "apparently" nothing & we go with "apparently" nothing, and yet  ...
          And I really make the difference between that part in us that feels pain, joy & all the rest of it... an this other part that is more in the background of our experiences and kind of  .. Observes & learns. That is the part that comes in this world and is "Constant" from the beginning to the end of this lifetime down here and is far away of being at the End when our flesh says/goes "Byebye"!
          What however goes "Byebye", like I just told is the "I am  Peter, Mark, Nancy, Clarisse, Tyron ..." ....etc...etc... as this are just aspects we adopt or better said, we're given by our parents to identify us down here. But what is our Name before that? Do we already have one before the start of our experiences here or not? That would be a very interesting question, wouldn't it? But bottom line is, nothing is really separated. It just looks like.

    2. LewSethics profile image60
      LewSethicsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know, but he smokes all my weed.

      1. mischeviousme profile image61
        mischeviousmeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        lol I sometimes find my situation is much the same.

        1. couturepopcafe profile image60
          couturepopcafeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Oh, man, I wish I was still a pothead. Those days were so fun.

          1. LewSethics profile image60
            LewSethicsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Haha    What?

  2. knolyourself profile image62
    knolyourselfposted 6 years ago

    My I is not definitive. It can be anybody and anything both material and non-material.

    1. mischeviousme profile image61
      mischeviousmeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Going beyond traditional thinking; psychology, religion, meta-physics... How can one even breach the absolute meaning of consciousness. How can I define what clearly does not exist, yet is so blatantly apparent? Knowing that I exist is one thing, connecting a meaning to "I" is a bit more of a challenge. How do I know what "I" wants? How do I feel how "I" feels? We make all sorts of judgements about ourselve's based on what we experience outwardly and we define ourselve's by what we think we know of "I".

      1. couturepopcafe profile image60
        couturepopcafeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        IMO, it's not that complicated. Nothing and everything is apparent. There is no meaning to 'I' yet 'I' is the sum of all its parts therefore that is its meaning. Experience and feeling is what we are. Discernment is a way we can create and manage our experiences. What we think we know, we do know. Whether this knowledge will be added to later (making it seem like we didn't know something to begin with) is all part of 'I'.

        The question for me is, once known, can we unknow something? Or do we change the sum of our knowing by causing it to evolve with further knowing?

        1. mischeviousme profile image61
          mischeviousmeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Being truly enlightened, is forgetting that one was enlightened at all. I think I know what "I" wants and like a child, I think I know. The true self has no needs, only that which sustains existance. All other things and aspects are but conjecture, placements of meanings which do not exist.

          1. couturepopcafe profile image60
            couturepopcafeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Point taken and I agree. So 'I' is or should be like the child who lives by instinct and 'knows' nothing outside of its own (need for) existance. Children have life, as defined and experienced by their parents, etc., drummed into them and spirit driven out.

            1. mischeviousme profile image61
              mischeviousmeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              Exactly... Life is best defined by the unbiased mind of a child, for them the only meaning is life.

  3. knolyourself profile image62
    knolyourselfposted 6 years ago

    The way I have it - there would be one body I, which knows what it needs, wants and feels. And there can be any number of Identities I, created by the mind like butcher, baker, candlestick maker, each of which will interpret the world differently. I do not consider my I, as any of these in particular, but all of them. The outside I, as looking at all of them from the external, may be a creation of my mind, or it may be representative of a spiritual self that knows what it is doing hopefully.

    1. mischeviousme profile image61
      mischeviousmeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      From what I understand, the true self feels nothing, sees nothing and is but dream. The nature of self is almost completely undefinable, "I think therefor I am" is but an attempt to define said theory. "I" is a theoretical concept, for in my mind, "I" only exists by concept and is a perceptive reality.

      1. couturepopcafe profile image60
        couturepopcafeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        What is seen or known (externally) exists solely for the sake of identifying the distinct nature of the seer.

        1. mischeviousme profile image61
          mischeviousmeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          To an extent... I could easily believe that I am powerless to define my true self, but then the meaning would most certainly be my own.

          1. couturepopcafe profile image60
            couturepopcafeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Then that belief identifies one's nature if that is the current definition one is giving oneself.

            1. mischeviousme profile image61
              mischeviousmeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              I am the sum of what I believe I am. My perception is mine alone.


              at·ti·tude
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              noun
              1.
              manner, disposition, feeling, position, etc., with regard to a person or thing; tendency or orientation, especially of the mind: a negative attitude; group attitudes.

    2. couturepopcafe profile image60
      couturepopcafeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I chuckled when I saw knol's last word, 'hopefully'. It's been said that hope is the human spirit. Without it we perish.

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    bri36posted 6 years ago

    It has been said "I think, there fore I am" or "I am that" which the Sufi's believed was the ALL of life. What you are looking for is something that cannot be summed up in words my friend, It is a part of the whole that is undefined by being singled out as just one part. "I" is the sum total of ALL the parts when they are joined together in a coherent form. i.e. You.

    Your brain is just one more organ inside your body, like you heart which pumps blood, or your kidneys that filter the impurities out of your blood system. Your brain "thinks" that is what it does. This is not you, you are that 1/100000000000 of a volt(the Divine spark)that the whole universe revolves around. If "I" were to say you are the most important thing in the universe would "I" be wrong?

    How about this, the life you have is for "I" to experience ALL in it's various forms. In other words, to love, to feel, to see, to breath, and all that comes with being human. Because when the time comes for your material self(body) to return to the dust it came from "I" will still move forward into the ALL of tyhe universe, The vastness of G-D is what you seek, "I" is just another question...

    1. mischeviousme profile image61
      mischeviousmeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      To me, all things are one. My eyes, my teeth, my arms and all other parts are one thing. Just as I am the universe, the universe I percieve is part of me.

      There are no words to explain what "I" is, but we only have words.

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        bri36posted 6 years agoin reply to this

        See now you are getting it. just think ALL

        1. Druid Dude profile image60
          Druid Dudeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          I is all that exists. I know I am here...not sure about the rest of you. But, I do know I am.

  5. TheLoanConsultant profile image61
    TheLoanConsultantposted 6 years ago

    I maintain that the "I" is the self and that the "Me" is the personality. The word personality comes from the Latin word PERSONA, which meant "mask or character in a play." Thus the personality is the mask that we wear around others or the character that we play when we interact with other people in a social setting. Contrary to popular opinion I propose that you are not your personality and that your personality may be changed by the "I" if it so chooses. The I is the center of your being, the life force that animates your body.

    1. Disappearinghead profile image75
      Disappearingheadposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I agree.

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        bri36posted 6 years agoin reply to this

        I also agree to this and would like to add, That if you learn to still the "noise" inside your brain then switching the "Mask" on and off becomes second nature. Being connected to your higher self is the goal and when you find the Golden thread that does this it is life changing

 
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