A Battery That Produces Energy Continuously Since 1950

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  1. Dennis Pace profile image61
    Dennis Paceposted 12 years ago

    The "Dimitrie Leonida" National Technical Museum from Romania hosts a weird kind of battery. Built by Vasile Karpen, the pile has been working uninterrupted for 60 years.
    Half a century ago, the pile's inventor had said it will work forever, and so far it looks like he was right. Karpen's perpetual motion machine now sits secured right in the director's office. It has been called "the uniform-temperature thermoelectric pile," and the first prototype has been built in the 1950s. Although it should have stopped working decades ago, it didn't.

    The scientists can't explain how the contraption, patented in 1922, works. The fact that still puzzles them is how a man of such a scientific stature such as Karpen's could have started building something "that crazy."

    The prototype has been assembled in 1950 and consists of two series-connected electric piles moving a small galvanometric motor. The motor moves a blade that is connected to a switch. With every half rotation, the blade opens the circuit and closes it at the the start of the second half. The blade's rotation time had been calculated so that the piles have time to recharge and that they can rebuild their polarity during the time that the circuit is open.

    As time passed, the fact that the battery doesn't stop producing energy is more and more clear, giving birth to the legend of a perpetual motion machine."

    Some scientists say the device works by transforming thermal energy into mechanical work, but Diaconescu doesn't subscribe to this theory.

    According to some who studied Karpen's theoretical work, the pile he invented defies the second principle of thermodynamics (referring to the transformation of thermal energy into mechanical work), and this makes it a second-degree perpetual motion machine. Others say it doesn't, being merely a generalization to the law, and an application of zero point energy.

    If Karpen was right, and the principle is 100% correct, it would revolutionize all of the physics theories from the bottom up, with hard to imagine consequences.
    Zero Point energy is a very interesting technology.  I have a friend who is a Modern day Tesla.  He is working on a magnetic engine.  Anyone else doing anything with zero point energy?

    1. couturepopcafe profile image61
      couturepopcafeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Hey, Dennis.  This would be a great hub.  You could revise it for forum discussion by simply using the last line.  I really can't comment otherwise not know anything about the subject matter, but very educational nonetheless!

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        frantiicposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I don't think he was sharing a potential hub. I think he was just sharing interesting news. Original article seems to be here: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Environme … nter.shtml

    2. christoss1959 profile image61
      christoss1959posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Wow this is brilliant. Need to read more about this. Will come back when I've got more educated on the matter..

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    waterwizardposted 12 years ago

    This is cool, I love hearing about stuff that defies what we believe. Tesla and others throughout time have tried over and over to shake the foundations of what we as a people generally believe.

  3. melpor profile image90
    melporposted 12 years ago

    This does not meet the definition of a "perpetual motion machine" if it is extracting energy from radio waves. Radio waves are another form of energy. It sounds like it is just converting radio waves to electrical energy.

    1. Pcunix profile image93
      Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      And unfortunately, that conversion doesn't give us much, does it?

      One of my more impressionable poker pals was talking about the 'burning water" nonsense this week. Typical conspiracy stuff - the oil companies are keeping it from us!  I never know what to say to friends who believe this nonsense. It is very hard to say anything truthful without running the risk of implying things you don't want to say about friends. On the other hand, he is looking foolish spreading these tales about.

      1. melpor profile image90
        melporposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I agree with your comment Pcunix. I do not know why people believe these nonsensical information. If there was such a device there would be a patent for it and it would be well developed by now since so many countries are still depending heavily on oil for their transportation needs and other uses. It would not be just sitting in a corner for everyone to look at.

    2. KeithTax profile image74
      KeithTaxposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Melpor, you are right. This device is also called a crystal radio and available for purchase at Amazon fro about $10. A fun science projects for kids.

      1. Pcunix profile image93
        Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Oh, great. Now the oil companies will have to destroy Amazon.

        A lot of people are going to be very angry with you for bringing that to their attention.

      2. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Sure!  Part of my electronics shop class in high school included building one, way back in the 60's.

  4. Dennis Pace profile image61
    Dennis Paceposted 12 years ago

    I have recently found more information about people who have been involved in developing energy devices ...does any one have any more info along these lines?

    Mark R. Tomion, 51, died unexpectedly Friday, June 19, 2009 at his home. A memorial service will be held Tuesday June 23 at 7 p.m. at the Kenneth J. Perkins Funeral Home in Gorham. Burial will be in Shuman Cemetery.Memorial contributions may be made to the Yates County ARC, 235 North Ave, Penn Yan, NY 14527. Reference. Here is the last remaining mirror of his old site. His web site is now gone and so have his research papers.

    One more for the record. Free-Energy Battery Inventor Killed at Airport? Official statement cites "natural causes" but others familiar with the disruptive potential of the inventor's technology to the existing power structure consider it a probable assassination.

    "… On Nov. 11 2007, inventor of a revolutionary, affordable, clean energy technology, M. DeGeus was found slumped in his car, totally unresponsive, in the long-term parking lot of the Charlotte Douglass International Airport in North Carolina. …" He was apparently on his way to Europe where he was to secure major funding for the development and commercialization of his technology, which could make oil obsolete. …""DeGeus was the inventor of a thin wafer-like material/device that somehow specially aligned the atoms or electron currents ongoing in that material, so that the wafer produced a constant amperage at a small voltage – continuous real power, or in other words a strange kind of "self-powering battery". Reference


    There is a lot of very interesting info on this site.  What do you think?

    1. Dennis Pace profile image61
      Dennis Paceposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Did anyone click on the link about what happens to the inventors of zero energy machines?.  Or did they already get to you first?

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I'm sorry, Dennis, but you're right.  They got to me.  All those physics and chemistry teachers, writers and scientists that falsely claim to know that perpetual motion machines outputting more energy than goes are impossible.

        I find the probability of an untrained backyard mechanic working in their garage actually producing such a machine and changing the entire world of physics as we know it to be vanishingly small.  Too small for me to spend time reading about.

        1. Pcunix profile image93
          Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          And if they did, the notion that these things could or would be suppressed by oil companies or anyone else is ludicrous.

          Just as one small example, Google has tremendous energy needs and owes nothing to any entrenched interests. If I stumbled upon something that could cut their energy costs by even a small  percentage, they alone would make me fabulously wealthy.

          But fools keep believing nonsense,

          1. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            No, Pc - you will be murdered in your car before you can sell it to them.

            Google and energy - I recently wired a small business with a tiny computer room.  They indicated their computer equipment produced 10,000 BTU's of heat, requiring a small air conditioner for just that room.  I had no idea that a little computer equipment would produce that much heat!

            1. Pcunix profile image93
              Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              No doubt the people who posted will be murdered for trying to spread this valuable information!

              Not us, though. We will get our usual checks from Exxon and Shell as payment for belittling the idea.

              How much did you make from that last year? I got almost $3,000.00.

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Oh you did much better than I did - I only got a few hundred!  But then I didn't sell them the secret of a forever battery, either. big_smile

  5. melpor profile image90
    melporposted 12 years ago

    That is why all PCs have fans, otherwise they will malfunction or overheat very quickly.

    1. Pcunix profile image93
      Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I had an idiot customer with a server closet and a flat roof and an air conditioning bill she thought was too high. She shut it down one summer weekend.. Of the three servers in that room, only one came back to life after all crashed from heat.

      This was AFTER I had warned her that she needed to either leave the door open or put more vents into the room because it was already getting too warm..

  6. qwark profile image59
    qwarkposted 12 years ago

    If I invented anything that could/would threaten the viability and control of the world oil cartel/cabal, I would either be killed or I'd become a billionaire.
    Being a very practical human being and understanding that everything has a "price," screw the invention! Give me the billion (pocket change to big oil.)!
    I'm a pragmatic realist...smile:

  7. profile image0
    JASON NICHOLSposted 12 years ago

    Here the picture of that battery that is still running continusly sinse 1950!!!! cool cool cool


    1. Pcunix profile image93
      Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Brave man to put out a picture of something that so many have been murdered for trying to get its secret out to the world!

      I hope the folks at Mobil will send me a nice check for my saying that.

      1. melpor profile image90
        melporposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        This is obviously an old picture. It look like it was taken around the 1950s.

        1. Pcunix profile image93
          Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          That is not an issue. They pay for any comment that disparages the inventions they are suppressing.

          I don't know if you can get on the gravy train, but it can't hurt to try.

  8. pylos26 profile image72
    pylos26posted 12 years ago

    This whole business sounds like a "pile" of you know what.

    1. qwark profile image59
      qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Hey Pylos!
      Ya mean pile of shiite?  lolol
      Qwark  smile:

      1. pylos26 profile image72
        pylos26posted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Yeah...pile of shiite...hey qwark. I thought you were dead.

        1. qwark profile image59
          qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Hey Pylos:

          You couldn't be so lucky...lolol  smile:

          I've been here participating for the last month.

          where the hell have you been?

          I know, yer out nights checkin' those limb lines for catfish...lol

          Good to have ya back!!

          Qwark  smile:

  9. Bill Manning profile image59
    Bill Manningposted 12 years ago

    Actually you can get lots of energy out of plain water. It's the hydrogen in the H20. It's actually very powerful, even more so than oil.

    However it takes a very large and complex process to extract and hardness that.

    Someday they will figure out how to produce hydrogen energy from water that is practical and leaves nothing behind. smile

    1. Pcunix profile image93
      Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Perhaps so.  If anyone ever does, no oil company wil suppress it.

    2. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Not at all, Bill.  Simply pass an electric current through the water and it will separate into hydrogen and oxygen.  It then becomes even easier - a lit match is all that's needed to produce energy - a little less that was used to separate it in the first place.

      You could use a steam boiler to catch the heat of burning hydrogen to run a steam engine to turn a generator to produce current to convert more water to H2 and O2 to keep the boiler going.  This is in the same category as a perpetual battery.

      And by the way, would you like some ocean front property in Arizona?  No?  Perhaps the oil cartels will buy...

  10. melpor profile image90
    melporposted 12 years ago

    Bill, passing an electric current (electrolysis) through water is pretty much the only way to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen. It doesn't take that much energy to separate these  components. It is not an efficient way to produce hydrogen gas. You can do with a 9 volt battery.

  11. Bill Manning profile image59
    Bill Manningposted 12 years ago

    Hmmm, interesting replies about the water energy. There is a device they use to convert water to energy already. I know you can buy it commercially for people who live off the grid.

    Any idea what it's called? I know it's pretty big and not very efficient. Seems like if it's that easy to separate hydrogen from water someone could figure out a way to use it better. hmm

    1. Pcunix profile image93
      Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It's easy, but it requires energy. Producing that energy is the problem.  As W pointed out, you can't run it back on itself - you can't make more hydrogen than you'll burn to break apart the water.

      So you need cheap electricity. Solar might provide that someday. I suppose the conspiracy boys think that ultra high efficiency solar converters already exist, but they do not yet. - I get $75 from Shell for lying about that, of course.

    2. Pcunix profile image93
      Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      By the way, storing it isn't so easy, either.

    3. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It is easy, and the technology has been in use for a long time.  It also requires exactly the same amount of energy as burning hydrogen and oxygen produce.  Account for inevitable system losses and it is a losing game in the long run.

      This and using the produced hydrogen to make helium (via a fusion nuclear reaction) are the only two methods I'm aware of to actually get energy from water. 

      Other methods (wave generators, temperature difference between deep and shallow waters, etc.) and water wheel generators are viable and being used, but don't actually produce energy from the water itself, but that's only a matter of semantics, too.


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