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   W. Christopherposted 13 years ago

   What are your thoughts? How can I improve it?
   
   Mesothelioma

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   Cagsilposted 13 years ago

   Well, to start off, I would have to say it is a good subject, but the title is a bit much, as is the opening part??
   
   (a) the article is too short, add more content.
   (b) add a couple of more keywords/tags.
   (c) try not to put polls after your comment section.(if you receive a lot of comments, your poll could go unanswered, because people just posted a comment in your comment section)
   
   Just my thoughts on it.

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      W. Christopherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks, Cagsil!
      
      Did 2 out of 3... Will think about the add more content thing. It says that I have 384 words... Don't want it to get too wordy... and from what I've read, 300-500 words is best on HubPages. Is that right?
      
      Any more thoughts on it?

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Actually, more content is better. I am unsure where you read or heard about 300-500 words would be good content. It would actually be considered sub-standard for HubPages type articles, except for poetry, which gets a free pass on word count.
         
         The most accurate word count about 600+ or more than that.
         
         Some professional writers say that GOOGLE loves content so much, that 800-1600 words would be best.

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            W. Christopherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Oops... I remembered wrong... Paul Edmondson said 400-600...
            
            http://hubpages.com/hub/How_to_Write_for_Search_Engines
            
            I'll add some more, but how much... 12 more words to 400, or 212 to 600...
            
            Hmm...

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            oscillationatendposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Exactly.
            
            The longer the article, the better. Actually, HP has a great guideline for qualifications that make a Hub money. I can't seem to recall where it would be, but a Hub with 2500 words+ and I think something on the order of ten (?) pictures or more, plus video.
            
            Don't forget great tags and your own non-default "summary" field.

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               W. Christopherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Wow. 2500+. That'd take me years! Haha. I did customize my summary.
               
               I added a little more content. I'm up to 432 words right now. I might go back later and add more.
               
               I don't want it to be a huge research project, just a "My feelings" type hub - I think.

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               lrohnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               There are lots of successful old-timers on here that swear by around 1000 or more words for a really successful hub. I know that I often struggle with the right hub length, but haven't personally needed more than that (yet) to get Google love. And I always wonder if people are actually going to read much more than that unless it's totally riveting.
               
               I'm pretty sure that Nelle Hoxie did some testing on this a while ago and don't quote me, but I think she netted out at 1000 to 1500 words as being the optimal length for her style of hubbing. And if it's good enough for her, it's good enough for me.

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                  W. Christopherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm just wondering then, why does Paul say 400-600?
                  
                  Perhaps, the 400-600 word length is best for adsense? And, if you need to write more than that do a Page 2, 3, 4, 5?
                  
                  I guess that I have a lot to learn, experiment with, etc.

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                     lrohnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Really good question, and I think it's because 400-600 is just kind of an online standard. I know that I was always told that 700 is really the max that an online article should be before you start breaking it into two articles.
                     
                     But there's been a lot of anecdotal evidence from hubbers on here that says more may be better. At the very least, it works for them.

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                        W. Christopherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Another number? 700? hehe...
                        
                        I guess it would really just depend on how saturated your topic/keywords is/are already on the internet, and if you try to break through to the top of the search results.
                        
                        Maybe there should be a guidebook published for Hubbers with specific guidelines for the "Types" of hubs they intend on publishing.?!

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                           lrohnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           LOL! Guidebook? Wouldn't that be a novel?

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                              W. Christopherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              It is an idea! Go for it, irohner!

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                                 lrohnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 Um.....no. Even the pros here wouldn't touch that one with a ten-foot pole.

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                     Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     I suspect Paul's article was written a long time ago.  Things change (including Google's algorithm), as you know. These days, HubPages want much longer Hubs.  Their Flagship program (where they make an upfront payment for a Hub), demands 1,500 words - - and their contests are judged on similar criteria.
                     
                     There have been experienced Hubbers in recent months who've played around with length and reported that longer Hubs do better.  There are also reports that three or four shorter Hubs (400 words) interlinked to each other, are just as good as one long one.

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      oscillationatendposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I took a looksee and I can't add more than what Cagsil has to say.
      
      More media, more facts, what not have you.
      
      I like how you share your personal view and story, but perhaps it can be done better. While this is totally off topic, I really like how this hub was done by PeggyW:
      
      http://hubpages.com/hub/Old-Timey-Sweet … m-the-Past

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   Originposted 13 years ago

   Going after the big payout keyword?

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      W. Christopherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Well, I've read that it is. But, I've yet to discover that. The ads really do annoy me on television and radio.

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         oscillationatendposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         There's so many adds for that stuff, and so many adds for diseases and drugs in general.
         
         Maybe you can make this into an anti-pharma ad hub?

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            W. Christopherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            That's an idea... Anti-Pharmacy Ad Hub... hmm...

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   Dame Scribeposted 13 years ago

   I would think the 400-600 as the minimal length is good but best if above that
   
   As for your article..I would think of it as misleading since it's not about mesothelioma at all but personal rant against advertising. Very well done too,

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      W. Christopherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      misleading?

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   Dame Scribeposted 13 years ago

   Hi W. Christopher yes, misleading. I already said, it isn't about the disease at all..its a personal rant against the advertising of the illness. No offence intended. It's well written and presented.

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      W. Christopherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I don't believe it's misleading, because it is about it. Is it not?
      
      And thank you for the compliment, by the way!
      
      Oh, and I don't take any offense. I'm just absorbing criticism.

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   Dame Scribeposted 13 years ago

   I dont think there's really anything substantial in regards to the disease itself and maybe that's what is missing. Just give the 5 Ws and 1 H (why, what, etc), pro's n con's of a lawyer maybe just some thoughts.

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      W. Christopherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I appreciate your thoughts, Dame Scribe. I will look into it. I don't really know if that's the angle I was going for, and really if there was really an angle. I do think you hit the nail on the head when you said "rant" earlier.
      
      But, as I said, I'll look into it.
      
      Who - lawyers?
      What - mesothelioma?
      When - all too often?
      Where - on television and radio?
      Why - yup, why?
      How - via annoying advertisements?
      
      I don't know that I should look into it with more detail... hehe.

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   sunforgedposted 13 years ago

   W/o reading the whole thing, I just  want to point out you have a snowballs chance of ever having that hub seen (mesothelioma!)
   
   Id say - 200 views this year - 98% Hubpages based
   
   
   on the content length thing - w/ the feeds hes using its a decent length.
   
   5 300 word articles is just as if not more likely to gain the same amount of traffic as one 1500 word article - there is no magic length
   
   you seem to have figured out the high paying keyword aspect - but competition is far more important metric to understand

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      W. Christopherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Why not read the whole thing?
      
      I know, it's pretty saturated, but I wanted to put my opinion on it out there.
      
      Um, I'll cross my fingers?!?
      
      I know a little about a little, if that makes a little sense.
      
      More importantly, thanks for taking the time to comment on here!

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         sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         sorry - didnt read completely because the topic bores me - and Im not overly supportive of medical term profiteering - I rather have the most authoritative sources taking the high results.
         
         I did look close enough to notice your layout and format which I did comment on

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            W. Christopherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Understand.
            Really, it isn't about the profits with this one. The tv/radio ads really, really, really annoy me!! It just so happens that I happened upon it being a potentially high-paying keyword.
            
            And thanks for /siding/ with me (i think) on the length of the hub.

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