How to get a series of hubs to appear in correct order

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   Greg Sageposted 12 years ago

   I have a series, and at the end of each under the buttons, there are arrows which point forward and backward which lead to other hubs in the same group... but their order is seemingly random.
   
   Is there some way to actually get them to point to the previous and next in the series?

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      wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      If I'm understanding, you have made a group of hubs.  This is what produces the list at the bottom with the arrows.
      
      To change the order that the arrows go to, edit that group and change the order they are listed in.  The last and first may still point to each other not sure), but all others will point to the one above and the one below

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   lynnechandlerposted 12 years ago

   I would add a sentence at the beginning directing to the first of the series and then at the end directing to the next one in the series.
   
   Something like "If you haven't read the first of this series go here" and add the link. Then at the end "To see the next in this series go here" and add the link.
   
   Other than that you are at the mercy of the randomness of the hubs listed.

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      Greg Sageposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I am doing that.
      
      ... just hoping there was a way to get the arrows straight as well.

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   Greg Sageposted 12 years ago

   I've done that, and they are in order... yet the arrows don't match that order.

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      Aficionadaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Do you mean that you set the order within the Group, but it doesn't show up correctly on the Hubs within the Group?  If so, that is a glitch and needs to be reported. 
      
      If you have done what wilderness said, you can set the order within the Group to whatever you want it to be.  However, as far as I know, it is still not possible to move from the last of the Group to the first one (yet) - unless something has changed that I'm not aware of.
      
      When you set the order, be sure to Save Changes.  (I'm sure you know that.  It's just one of those things that can on rare occasions be overlooked.)

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         Greg Sageposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         changes are saved
         group is in order
         arrows have little if any correlation to that order

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      psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Did you do it, wait a day or two, clear your cache and then check?

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         Greg Sageposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         No.  My computer's browser cache?  Or are you talking about a HP parameter?

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   lynnechandlerposted 12 years ago

   Not that I have found. I tried the putting them all in order in the group, and so far this is the best way though the one series I have isn't set up like that now, a previous one was but it was more fictional writing so I felt it necessary to set up links to the beginning chapter and so forth. I've since removed that series and didn't bother with the series on odd holidays with links. Not sure if it helped that series or hurt it honestly.

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   Aficionadaposted 12 years ago

   Greg, I'm going to go look at your Hubs to see what you mean.  As I said, if it didn't work, this would appear to be a glitch that engineering needs to know about.  BRB

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   Greg Sageposted 12 years ago

   hmmm... and now suddenly they are in order... only reverse, so I guess I would need most recent at top.
   
   It seems to be switching.  I'm not sure if it's because I started with first one this time, and in the middle last time, but it was definitely not correlated a few minutes ago... or yesterday... or the day before...
   
   It has been occasionally, but due to the number of times it's not, I chalked that up to chance.

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   Greg Sageposted 12 years ago

   one in the middle of series would be the 533% more money one.

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   Greg Sageposted 12 years ago

   just verified they seem to be in order at the moment.
   
   This is something I have noticed many times throughout writing of the series, however.

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      Glenn Stokposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Greg,  I see from the above posts that you already figured it out. I manage my groups all the time and understand it well. So I thought I'd add my thoughts to this conversation....
      
      Yes the order comes out backwards. So all you need to do is position them in each group in reverse order from what you want.
      
      Also keep in mind that the first and last in your group end with that one and it ends up showing only one other Hub at the bottom.  So when I publish a new Hub I always make sure it's in the middle somewhere. Not at the end. The reason for doing this is to get more traffic to the new Hub by having two other Hubs point to it rather than just one.
      
      Another thing...It's important to place Hubs together into related groups. If you have unrelated topics in the same group and someone clicks to another Hub with has nothing to do with their interest, then they may leave quickly. The short length of time they stay on your page can pull your Hub Score down.
      
      Managing your groups and paying attention to their order and position can go a long way to giving your readers more related discussions and thereby bringing traffic to your Hubs.

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         Robinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Just an update, our outstanding engineer Mark Painter updated the group ordering format.  Now your last Hub in a group will point to the Hub before it AND the first Hub in the group! 

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            Greg Sageposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Thx... everything seems to be working now.

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            Aficionadaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            
            
            That is so exciting!  Thank you to Mark!

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            Glenn Stokposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Wonderful. Way to go! Thank Mark for me in case he is not reading this. I like the groups being cyclic like that. No more dead-ends on the first and last. Thanks, Robin, for that update.

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               Robinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I already let Mark know that everyone was thanking him. 

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   Aficionadaposted 12 years ago

   There is some odd matter going on, though.  Here's what I found.
   
   I started (in the middle) in the Comedy HubPages series with Petite Lap Giraffes and clicked on the right arrow at the bottom of each (which should be the order of moving down the list) until the point noted below.  This was the order:
   
   Petite Lap Giraffes - Fact or Fiction?
   Overcoming Hurdles to Success
   Common Mistakes
   Back to Basics
   Steps to Success
   Where to Start
   533% More Money from Hubpages
   Comedy Writing for Fun and Profit
   Voodoo: Raking in Money with Hubpages!!
   
   **Here it is messed up!! - now the (next) arrow points left, instead of right
   
   Boohoo! Not making money with Hubpages
   (again left, not right)
   
   Woohoo!  Making money with Hubpages  (left)
   Petite Lap Giraffes
   
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   In the past, a number of us have requested that the first and last hubs in a Group be linked to each other.  This (your problem) almost seems as though that has been attempted, but that some problem crept in along with it.  I think it would be worth reporting to the staff, just to let the smart guys know to work on it.  But they do have a lot of other things on their plates at this moment.

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      Greg Sageposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      thx

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    Greg Sageposted 12 years ago

    Yeah... I was missing the reverse thing, but the reason I was missing it is because it was messing up, so I couldn't make sense of it.  Things in the middle were pointing to the end, etc.
    
    They are in separate group.
    
    At the moment on my end, the seem ordered.  I'll check again tomorrow.

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       Aficionadaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       
       
       Excellent!

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    Aficionadaposted 12 years ago

    Good advice from Glenn!
    
    I went and checked again.  This time, instead of Petite Lap Giraffes, I went to Woohoo first.  It pointed to PLG as being before it; when I went to PLG, it showed up as the First in the group, and I followed the arrows in the same order as before, except exactly reversed.  Did you change the order between my two viewings of them?  It was a little weird. 
    
    In the past, I have always arranged my Groups from the Groups page.  With the new Groups button that we now have in Edit mode, I have occasionally tried to order a Hub within a Group, but I'm not sure it has succeeded as well as arranging them from the Groups page.  Could that be one factor in the randomness you've experienced?

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       Greg Sageposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah... that last one is me moving plg.
       
       It's odd man out, but related to the series... decided to put it first.
       
       Yeah, I'm doing all from groups page, and only the series and one related hub are in that group.

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    psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

    I mean your computer's cache, just in case it is showing you cached information? Possibly?

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    Greg Sageposted 12 years ago

    It's showing correctly at the moment, but I'll try that next time it doesn't match.
    
    I generally empty my cache about once a week anyway, but hadn't thought to for this.

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