God, the worlds greatest ever scientist.
werd! I mean Amen, LOL. I got a bad joke, I told it to BDaz yesterday but not sure if he laughed.
... You should totally see what I created in a lab.... absolutely nothing. really it is quite amazing.
I'll give you some scripture to back that up:
Proverbs 8: 1 Does not wisdom cry out, And understanding lift up her voice? 2 She takes her stand on the top of the high hill, Beside the way, where the paths meet. 3 She cries out by the gates, at the entry of the city, At the entrance of the doors: 4 "To you, O men, I call, And my voice is to the sons of men. 5 O you simple ones, understand prudence, And you fools, be of an understanding heart.
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22 "The Lord possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old. 23 I have been established from everlasting, From the beginning, before there was ever an earth. 24 When there were no depths I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills, I was brought forth; 26 While as yet He had not made the earth or the fields, Or the primeval dust of the world. 27 When He prepared the heavens, I was there, When He drew a circle on the face of the deep, 28 When He established the clouds above, When He strengthened the fountains of the deep, 29 When He assigned to the sea its limit, So that the waters would not transgress His command, When He marked out the foundations of the earth, 30 Then I was beside Him as a master craftsman; F14 And I was daily His delight, Rejoicing always before Him, 31 Rejoicing in His inhabited world, And my delight was with the sons of men.
32 "Now therefore, listen to me, my children, For blessed are those who keep my ways. 33 Hear instruction and be wise, And do not disdain it. 34 Blessed is the man who listens to me, Watching daily at my gates, Waiting at the posts of my doors. 35 For whoever finds me finds life, And obtains favor from the Lord; 36 But he who sins against me wrongs his own soul; All those who hate me love death."
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Whethere literally true or poetically true ... there's dare I say it ... A lot of wisdom there
Taken as something like metaphor or imagistic language, and not any dogmatic prancing, measuring, pontificating and restricting, I've got no problem with that.
Some of those preachers, tho, too...and others who think they have all the answers. I'll bet God is just laughing himself sick over them.But Mohit - aka-dj was talking about Jehovah, not Allah
- when will people understand thee is only one GOD and not many Gods.You need a different word or words in that case to describe these different super entities
: - so many god what has happened to the one God.He has competition
- I pity God. he has to fight to claim supremacy-such little power.
- pgrundyposted 15 years ago
0So we can agree that He also made scientists? And their brains?
What do you care if this or that scientist disagrees with your religious beliefs? Lots of scientists are religious, lots of them aren't. Why is it so important to you to discredit the entire discipline of science? Isn't that kind of like throwing the baby out with the bathwater?
I assume you drive a car and use electricity. God didn't discover the theories and the mechanics that provide you with those conveniences, science did. You could pray to God all day to start your car, but if no one had invented a starter you'd be up a creek.And that's really nice, and I'm not even saying that's a bad thing. I'm glad that works in your life and it's a cool story. I'm just saying, you still needed the jumper cables, right? I mean, no need to send the jumper cable inventor to the gallows for heresy, is there?
That's all I'm sayin'.Well... there was one other time ... but that's a whole diffrerent story... God often does work through the mundane, but not always. I certainly don't deny the visible material realm. I am just often aware of the "more". ... I'm just sayin ...
And yes, I agree 100% that the line between technology and theology is entirely artifical and completey unecessary.OMG! Agreement!
Is anyone out there paying attention? BDazzler and I agreed on science & religion stuff.
See, life is good.
Once, on a whim, I decided to eat at McDonalds, a place I really don't like.
The food was so disgusting I left half of it and walked out.
Just outside the restaurant, I saw a scrawny wee cat with a lame back leg.
I rushed back inside and grabbed the remnants of my burger, still on the table.
I gave it to the cat.
God said - Cheers pal, that's what I'd planned all along
Look back at your story and it's no better than mine. At no time did you know what was going to happen. The 'prediction' is all retrospective (like most supposedly fulfilled prophesy). You are disposed to believe god is talking to you. But in riddles? Why did he not say - Your friend's car has a flat battery. It would have saved you some time and a crap meal.
Must try harder...
I think you don't understand what they are saying. Yes the scientist did those things, but from the things the scientist discovered or crafted with what they have found.... those things were already here.
There are only things not disclosed yet. I mean, to find something a new discovery means it was always already there just not found yet.
Or like the arts. Musical notes have always been, discovering how to put them together and create your own tune is a different story but there isn't even 1 note in existence that did not already exist just left to be understood.
And what about yesterday? Don't tell me Satan did it yesterday
Whaaaa!!! yesterday is just a memory.
lolNow I am too scared to think about tomorrow in that regard
Tomorrow doesn't exist yet.
Don't worry, we have The Spaghetti Monster for tomorrow
Whaaa!!! there it is with the vampire thing. I promise I do not drink blood and I love garlic.
Yeah BDaz, focus on the research. muhahahaahahah *evil vampire laugh* yes, we hate darkness, and cold, love garlic, gag at the site of blood and fancy ourselves in the mirror often... to make sure we don't have any boogers and stuff.. you know how it is. You are one of us!
LOL
Thanks accofranco, that was nice of you.
She's definitely a beauty, but she can bite hard
LOL We know each other for quite some time, but only remotely. And we both have kids and families of our own - which does not really stop us from loving one another. Don't mix with lust
LOL Earnest, thanks for the giggles
Oh, and since I am posting here, I personally don't see any contradiction between god and science - as long as you do not define god as a white bearded man on a cloud cooking sinners for eternal dinnerI have agreed with Misha! It is a real occasion!
I can't understand why Christains get so much guff, most of them are pretty harmless and I certainly like to hear a nice and kind word over a mean one any day.
If an atheist came to my door with science books and "free" education, I would be thanking them for coming to my door and offering me some free knowledge, unfortunately that kind of education has to be paid for...
So if you want the world educated you better get your kicks on and start walkin like the white bearded invisible God believers do. lolyeah, yeah, you know what I meant.
they are harmless anyways and it makes them happy, so why not let them do their thing. If you don't believe, you don't believe. No need to be angry. I mean it sounds pretty stupid to be upset about something that doesn't exist.
Like tomorrow lol
You are one angry man. I gues three letters push all your hotbuttons.
I read your hub, where you (not too politely) told me to stay away. So, out of respect I did. It's a shame you don't do the same.
If you want to be a bit more "Australian", I welcome the discussion.No, not superior. Only a different perspective.
I don't expect an easy ride, but I object to the "colorful language. You did read the first sentence he wrote, ye? I mean I have had much interaction with the the likes of yourself, Mark etc. None of you have reverted to such emotive language.
Well, you might want to ask yourself why you consistently get a negative reaction when your "different perspective" seems to be: "Hey guys - what if scientific knowledge is all bull crap - admittedly I don't understand it, but I have this different perspective that there is a magical invisible super being in the sky and all this rubbish you are spending your time investigating is actually explained in this 2,000 year old book that was written by a bunch of arrogant male politicians in the bronze ages. They had no scientific training or knowledge - but you should really consider listening to this because I really, really believe it, even though there is absolutely zero evidence for it."
In fact , you might want to ask yourself why there is a growing number of people who are fed up of listening to what religious people have to say in general - not just their "different perspective," on subjects they are unqualified to have an opinion on. You even started a thread asking us who do not believe to leave you alone. Sorry - we are not going to. I personally am also fed up of listening to people claim to have an answer to the unanswerable, especially when they are claiming some "higher moral authority," and consistently prove themselves to be no better, or even worse than any one else.
Here is an interesting statistic for you:
80% of the US population claim to be christian. 80% of the US prison population is christian.
8% of the US population claims to be atheist. 0.02% of the US prison population is atheist.
http://askville.amazon.com/Religion-pri … Id=8384184
I mean - be honest. You are not really interested in learning anything here - you are just interested in casting doubts on scientific theories because they do not agree with your world-view that we were created in a mythical god's image in our present form. Yet you are quite happy to claim to have an understanding of something that you cannot even describe.
If I genuinely thought you were interested in learning about the way we came to be, I would be more than happy to help - but you have made it plain you see scientific knowledge as an attack on your irrational beliefs and atheism as just another belief system.
You have spent a good portion of your time trying to convince people that scientific knowledge is exactly the same as a faith in a god. Keep on repeating the same hackneyed phrases over and over will not make it come true and oddly enough, might even cause some people to become frustrated with you.
Ramen.Just read the following, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(biology)
and some of the links contained within.
I draw your attention to the often used words, "theory", believe, and the absolute conclusion, that there is no conclusive, viable theory. Much less an explanation.
How the "heck" can you be so sure you know where you are, if you have no idea where you started from?
Yes I debunk a lot of science, simply because they use the same type of language you hold us guilty of.
They even go so far as to list a link to the "creation myth", as an acceptible, viable alternative.
The incredible complexity of a single cell is beyond our full understanding. It arose from what?
How exactly? The description of this cell reads more complex than software programs to run computers.
Oh and I'm the one who believes fairy tales. Of course.Like I said.
You are not interested in learning anything - merely repeating the same stuff over and over. Doing so will not make the "theory" of a god any more logical, viable, testable or falsifiable.
You are just repeating the same old "I cannot conceive of anything else, therefore there must have been a god did it."
How does this is any way compare to a scientific theory?
And just because some religious maniac edited the page to say "Creationism is a viable scientific theory" will not make it so either.
Have you noticed how many science pages at wikipedia have been removed from public editing thanks to religious vandals?
I asked to be left alone on the religion forum. You know that it hasn't happened, and is not likely to any time soon.
I see, in your own polite way, you are asking the same of me (and other "religious" types) to do the same here on the science forum.
I don't suppose you (really) expect me to just vanish. (As so many have done since I have been on hubpages).Actually, I was suggesting you educate yourself.
Religious people have been forcing their version of non science and "higher morals" on people for thousands of years. I do not expect you to stop anytime soon (and I am not saying just you personally). Once they have an irrational belief stuck in their head - they seem unable to see past that. What I am trying to do is educate you to the fact that faith-based beliefs are just that.
If you are prepared to keep on thinking it is some kind of knowledge, all I can do is try to educate you.
LOL This happens occasionally, you should not give any meaning to this
Well, I guarantee I shall not, Mr. Misha,
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Oh, absolutely Earnest! You mean organized forms of religion, and I depicted those as a white-bearded man...
But we all know there are quite a few things science is not capable of explaining, at least not yet, and most of us who lived long enough had some kind of experiences that cannot be explained rationally - so we all more or less feel there is something bigger than us. Whether you call it nature or universe or god or something else does not really matter
Oh, I think you might appreciate this story from my personal experience http://www.funandsafedriving.com/ftopict-86.htmlNo kiddin, didn't know you got into motocross at one point in your life. You surprise me everyday! Glad you made the jump. I was gonna post there but I forgot my password and well, I am too lazy to go back and forth to email.
Great story, had me on full throttle for a little bit, the suspension.. I mean suspense was insane.LOL I did a lot of things during my not so short live to date. Most of them stupid in hindsight, but heck, that's the way we learn
Yeah werd! I learned that sliding down a banister on your bum is a good way to brake your arm.
I learned that you cannot walk off the back of a moving truck and keep the same momentum or not fall.
I also learned that you will inevitably hit the one thing you don't want to hit... what do they call that, fixation.
LOL I am definitely not obsessed with this
I have my own obsessions, and formal religions are not among them. Yet I disagree that they are harmless. They scare people, they lie to people - and this is responsible for a lion share of our current problems IMO.
I know I will be called out on that statement, I won't get into any further discussion of it cause I did not think it through completely yet. LaterYeah Earnest, we can give it different names, yet we don't really know what it is and how it works - but we know that it affects us and sometimes comes to rescue when we need help
back to the topic of world's greatest scientist
lol ... as a NA ...we believe that the *Man Upstairs* gave us everything we need ..on this planet ...we just need to find it OK - Must have been magic then.
Screw the science, let's go with "I don't understand, therefore it was a magical invisible super being" Sounds like real magic from the magical mystery God to me.
I have seem magicians pull bunnies out their hats, heard theories about the anti-matter and laugh because they can't figure out where the mysterious light disappears into when it is gone.
So I am not laughing because they may or may not find out where it is going but laughing because they are chasing ideas that elude to nothing but more questions with more questions in the attempt to in some ways prove that God is not a factor.
Why anyone would think it is wise to find "nothing" is beyond me. *hey guys look what I discovered! Nothing!* The wise man says, look see this light cone... now watch it disappear... the one called stupid for believing in the invisible says.... okay wise one, now bring it back! LOL and the wise man replies... well.. umm.... I know where it went... and um... you see... and... pulls a match out of his back pocket and goes here it is.
sure, the stupid one replies, okay very good, now prove that it was the same light that just disappeared.. . the wise one says, oh well see, things don't just vanishes and um.. well..you just don't understand science and you need to educate yourself.
The one called stupid intervenes and says.. yeah at least I have an answer. LOL.)Standard argument.
I don't understand, but I must have an answer, and the only answer I can come up with is.
A god did it.
Yeah, sounds pretty stupid to me............ LOLcome on it was funny though right?
Definitely funny.
What science? I just stated the position of "science"on the issue! They don't have clue.
But I am glad to see, you admitted you limits. That's good.I love science. I suppose I can't understand for certain why a person cannot say, God did it and let it be just fine to think? What's it gonna hurt? Nothing. So why anyone would want to say, go get educated stupid... well I am sure you can see the problem now can't you?
I say God did it, saying so doesn't make me ignore all the things that science has discovered but maybe scientist have a problem with people like me saying, wow God instead of praise scientist.
I dunno.There's no problem as far as I'm concerned. People are welcome to believe what they like. All I ask is that people accept that their beliefs may not be rational. Meanwhile, science will continue to try to investigate difficult questions rationally. OK?
Absolutely.
I also love science, its so fascinating and I am a Science graduate .
I think quantum physics is the physics of God.No, he prefers General Relativity
Both
You are losing me again. You are stating that something is a scientific impossibility, then that science has no clue. Science has many clues, and are ever closer to understanding where we came from.
Merely saying "Oh, I am certain 100% it was a god," is what held science back for hundreds of years. You have arbitrarily decided to ignore the scientific evidence in favor of evolution because you do not understand how a cell came to be in existence.
And I still do not see how the fact that abiogenesis has not yet been explained causes you to throw away evidence that we evolved. And as I said many times, all you have to say is "Oh - that is easy peasy - God did it."
But - if you are going to put that forward as a scientific theory - don't you think you should provide some evidence?
LOL
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