Conspiracy theorists and other nutters

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   LondonGirlposted 13 years ago

   Conspiracy theorists and religious fanatics seem to me to have much in common. They look for one grand theory to explain everything, so they don't have to deal with the fact that life is chaotic and often senseless. It's a demonstration of an existential void that they try desparately to fill.
   
   The theorists also credit various govts. with ability and secrecy beyond all belief. The govts that can't stop a banking crisis properly, run an economy without getting into massive debt, sort out health or housing, or clear up after a hurricane, can apparently involve thousands of people in the most elaborate and unlikely of plots, persuade them all to stay silent, extend the conspiracy to many other countries, and get away with it.
   
   I'm more a fan of the cock-up theory of govt rather than the conspiracy theory, myself.

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      uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You are my favorite right now.

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      Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
      
      to name a few....
      
      ... oh, and there's over 50k pages to look over with the recent wikileaks. Did you see that video of the helicopter army men lying to their superior officers and then murdering innocents? Yeah, that video was covered up!
      
      Oh well - just a nut-job, i suppose... even though I supported my claims thoroughly.

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      luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      hi londongirl
      i can go with you down this road a good distance
      then i think about Nazism and other genocide regimes from the past
      i think of political spin/fox news/corporate corruption etc
      the nutters if talented enough are like canaries in a mine
      too many of them chattering at the one time is ineffective
      listen to the good ones
      thanks

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   IzzyMposted 13 years ago

   You haven't heard of the Bilderbergers then?

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      uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Isn't it always the Jews or the Knights Templar or the Council on Foreign Relations or the CIA or the Bilderburgers or the Catholic Church or Skull and Bones Society or Halliburton or the Illuminati or the Free Masons or the Royal Order of the Garter or the Rosicurcians or the Priory de Sion or the Lucis Trust or the Esalen Institute or the Cheesierburgers or the Bohemian Grove or the Geturagoovon or the Club of Rome or the Two No Trump or the Trilateral Commission or the International Monetary Fund or the Party with No Beer or Chips is no Fun(DUH)...'

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   Cagsilposted 13 years ago

   Interesting post.
   
   However, conspiracy theorists and those other nutters, you refer to, do have their uses, to those who use them to their advantage, to cover up, the truth of a matter.
   
   I realize, not everyone, can see on a global scale/worldview, but considering the top 5% of the human populations are the ones carving up the world as they see fit?
   
   And, who is to stop them from completely controlling everyone?
   
   It is already bad enough that 2/3 of the population is religious in some facet, which isn't actually healthy for the rest of the planet. Those who do not question the authority, gives up their life.
   
   Just my thoughts on it.

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   lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

   "but considering the top 5% of the human populations are the ones carving up the world as they see fit?"
   Exactly. It doesn't take a whole gvt to be involved, just a few powerful people.
   The rest of the people play their part well enough....policing each other, and calling people who question; conspiracy theorists.
   
   My dad used to tell me "Nothing happens by accident."
   
   You don't GET access to the inside without help from the inside. For instance, I love the Conspiracy Theory show, with Jesse Ventura, but once he and Alex Jones "snuck" into a compund that was storing supposed coffins, and I thought...Come On!!! they couldnt get in there unless it was allowed.
   
   Just like I thought after 9/11. Cheney was "playing" "war games", and accidentally told the F-16's to stand down? Come ON!!!
   
   The few can control the masses very easlily..especially when they own the means of communications...which 6 people do! 96% of media is owned by 6 people. They tell the story--we believe it.

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      Jed Fisherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      "As flies to wanton boys are we to th' gods, they kill us for their sport."
      
      Not much conspiracy, they just do their thing and we don't pay attention.
      Like Mexico, we know it's economy is all about extracting money from America through illegals; human trafficking, slavery really, and illegal drugs on a grand scale, and money laundering. No coincidence that the richest man in the world is now from Mexico. We all can figure it out, he's got to be the world's biggest crime boss. But nobody cares. No conspiracy, just complacency.

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   kirstenblogposted 13 years ago

   I have often thought that the real conspiracies get overblown and distorted beyond proportion so as to make anyone who takes seriously the theories seem like they probably are wearing a tin foil hat and pulling their fillings out with pliers.
   
   You know you don't have to believe that the government is reading your mind with satellites and teeth fillings to believe that they are up to something truly deceitful and dangerous. Just remember that freedom is ever vigilant, don't be to eager to gobble up what they feed you, question anything you find questionable and don't be so happy to give up freedoms for imagined security, lest you wind up loosing both.

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      EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      
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         luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this

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         kirstenblogposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Are you not wearing your tin foil hat then?

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   Dalyinxposted 13 years ago

   One thing I don't think a lot of conspiracy theorists realize is that it's not the "government" that's bad.  It's bad people doing bad things. 
   
   There'll always be corrupt and evil individuals, so I think it's important to try to identify them.  Unfortunately, a lot of these conspiracy theorists are incapable of correctly using both inductive and deductive reasoning.  I'm sorry, but a couple peoples' commentary on picture of the Twin Towers burning/falling isn't conclusive evidence.
   
   Generally speaking, a large group of people aren't all going to lie to cover something up. The problem is that a lot of conspiracy theorists seem to think that if you aren't in agreeance with them then you are part of the conspiracy.
   
   I want to use Wikileaks and the conspiracy community as an example.  A lot of them contest that the information released by Wikileaks wasn't anything important and that it was stuff already known to the general population.  While the latter wasn't true, the former does show that they have some use.  Some conspiracy theorists went on to argue that Assange is really a CIA plant.  They came to this conclusion because he didn't release the information they wanted him to release; it likely doesn't exist, but they demand it anyway because it'd prove their suspicions.  What the leaks do show are examples of bad people being bad.
   
   While there are undoubtedly more files, I doubt that any will show some huge government / alien conspiracy because frankly, it probably doesn't exist.

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      lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      He was allowed to get and release that information. And seems that Wikileaks has a big organization of their own...with access to classified info. Not an accident.
      
      SOMEONE will benefit from these leaks.
      We just have to wait and see WHO.

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   Jaggedfrostposted 13 years ago

   Some of those organizations exist and some of them don't  Some of them are different words for the same group of people.  The deeper one probes into shadow and those who do business the more eye opening such conversations can be but at what cost?

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   OpinionDuckposted 13 years ago

   Those people that immediately equate the uttering of Conspiracy Theory as a all encompassing answer to quash the event as something other than what is public knowledge, are evidence of how well conspiracies can be hidden.
   
   I am not saying that all unexplained or poorly explained events are conspiracies, but there are many events that the explanation of what happened is just to vague or ambiguous, or just doesn't fit the facts of the events results.
   
   My point is that we shouldn't just believe something because our government says that it is the truth.
   
   In the 1970s they told us that oil was running out, and as a result the price of gasoline doubled, and we had to ration the supplies. They did this twice in the 1970s and the result was the quadrupling of the price of gasoline, the loss of the Amercian Car Manufacturing Prowess of the US, and the millions of tinny, small, ugly, feature challenged, horsepower challenged, but higher mpg vehicles from Asia and Europe.
   
   The US government supported the claims of the oil companies and allowed this scam to work. If the government would have really believed that the oil supply was running out. Why didn't they do something to provide an alternative for it in the last thirty years.
   
   Now in the last days of 2010 we find ourselves in the same situation, but today foreign oil is more than economic disaster for the US. It is also a National Defense Issue. If the US gets cut off from the foreign oil, we will have to defend ourselves with just sharply worded attacks to the UN.
   
   The oil scam of the 1970s and the oil addiction of the US still today points to either a conspiracy or incompetence on the part of the government. Maybe a little of both.
   
   The undeniable fact is that thirty years later, the government did nothing to change our dependence on oil. In 2008 oil was the precurson to the economic collapse of this country. The oil prices before the 2008 price escalation was under $60 a barrel, and at the time of the economic collapse it was $120 a barrel and climbing, it was only stopped and reversed by the economy folding. Now in peri 2011, the price has risen back up from the under $50 dollar per barrel low of the economic bottom, it is up to $90 a barrel.
   
   The only thing keeping the price down is the weak US economy. As the economy struggles to improve the oil monkey on its back will increase.
   
   We haven't solved the economic or the national defesne issues of foreign oil.
   
   Why is theat?

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      C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Very well said. Don't forget Jimmy had another motive. He was a big fan of "new clear" power. It was probably his one and only good idea......

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   SomewayOuttaHereposted 13 years ago

   ...u callin' me a nutter...i like that.......good way to start my day....

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    OpinionDuckposted 13 years ago

    Sheep and other fools don't support conspiracy theories they just watch with blind loyalty that they are being told the truth.
    
    One of the tactics used to debunk conspiracies is to make the sheep and the fools ridicule them. Call them nutters, and this is the Red Herring that is very effective because no one wants to be ridiculed.
    
    This tactic doesn't answer the questions about the possible conspiracy it just attacks the messenger.

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       C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Sounds like "group thought" can be dangerous Duck.

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       LondonGirlposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       No, I don't "blindly" follow the truth.
       
       I look at the facts. What is relevant? What is probable?

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          OpinionDuckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          You haven't demonstrated it here.
          Res Ipsa Loquitur

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    OpinionDuckposted 13 years ago

    We don't have to disbelieve every event that is out there, just the ones where the answers for that event don't add up.
    
    Can the strangest of things happen and being nothing more than sometimes things just happen that way,
    
    The answer is of course.
    
    But when more than one event happens with the same answer, but that answer doesn't add up, then we need to look for better answers.

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    princess gposted 13 years ago

    This is actually funny, sins all the wikileaks crap was on above top secret MONTHS before it was in the news.

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