president Obama wants a European model economy

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   Onusonusposted 12 years ago

   “Barack Obama is now putting the United States squarely a decade behind Britain. Listening to the President’s State of the Union message last week was like a surreal visit to our own recent past: there were, almost word for word, all those interminable Gordon Brown Budgets that preached ‘fairness’ while listing endless new ways in which central government would intervene in every form of economic activity.
   Later, in a television interview, Mr Obama described his programme of using higher taxes on the wealthy to bankroll new government spending as ‘a recipe for a fair, sound approach to deficit reduction and rebuilding this country.’ To which we who come from the future can only shout, ‘No‑o-o, go back! Don’t come down this road!’” -Janet Daley
   
   It is apparent that the European model of socialist economics is failing and we are headed in that direction with the current polices that are being implemented by the president.

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      dc11posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Honestly from reading the posts below this topic clearly stirrs some serious societal issues. In reality Capitalism Cannot succeed without some socialistic ideas and vice versa. What we should do is find a mid ground where business can do business but where ccorporations do not influence politics. A system where you can be a millionaire and not worry abou tlossing your wealth but also where things like vet benefits, healthcare, and education are kept a priority. Uncontrolled capitalism will only give the monopoly like corporations more control over society and without control over itself society can never hope to be a true democracy.

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   lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

   I actually read an analysis the other day that said just the opposite! Said that the big money Republicans are the ones going for a European model. Because they are letting the banks off the hook for the damage they caused, and putting austerity measures on the people as a means to solve it. Like some are suggesting here.
   
   Iceland is who we should follow. They told the banks no way in hades were they paying for the banksters theft! True Human spirit!

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      Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      All that this forum has meant to me is that the R's and the D's are the same.
      
      Not really news.

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Not if you're a woman...not by a long shot.
         
         Or a union worker.
         
         Or make below a six figure income.

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            Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Nonsense.

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   Lindy's Worldposted 12 years ago

   In my ever humble opinion, European style Economy is just a bad idea.  Just read the newspaper, watch the news.  What we as a country should be asking ourselves is why we would even want this type of economy.  Maybe, we need to just change the way we approach life and work, vote, and instill a sense of pride in ourselves and our country and stop looking for hand outs.

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      lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Would you say a millioniare who pays less percent in taxes than a school-teacher has had a hand-out? Cause I would.

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      Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Lindy, surely you don't mean we sure do away with Obama's ideology of a complete welfare state where we're totally dependent on our government for all our needs?
      
      Yes, I'm being sarcastic.
      
      "Maybe, we need to just change the way we approach life and work, vote, and instill a sense of pride in ourselves and our country and stop looking for hand outs."
      
      There's no 'maybe' about it. You hit the nail on the head.
      
      We have a whole group of people in this country who do nothing but look for handouts rather than a hand up because it's easier. They have no pride in themselves much less this country and simply don't care unless it directly effects them.
      
      I like what Rep. Allen West said.
      
      http://www.thegrio.com/politics/rep-all … -of-us.php
      
      Yes, I know he's since stepped back from what he said but sounded like an excellent plan to me. The sooner they go and take Obama with them, the better.

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         steveamyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Alan West will is a twit who will be a one term phenom..

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            Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Let me guess. It's because he's a damn Republican and you don't agree with him.
            
            Opinions are like butt holes, Steve. Everybody's got one.

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               steveamyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Surprisingly, it is not because of his party affiliation but rather his ill-mannered nature.....rather a blowhard for a first termer...

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                  Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  How did you get a 'a blowhard for a first termer'?
                  
                  He sounded like a real American to me, someone who believes in America as it was founded and in the Constitution.
                  
                  That's something liberals have no concept of. They'd rather destroy America and make it into a Socialist utopia that will never work.

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                  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Quite the blowhard!
                  
                  IMAGINE anyone EVER telling Bush to get the heck out of America....
                  
                  OMG: third world war.

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         Lindy's Worldposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Well, Longhunter I guess you caught me!  I really don't believe in welfare states or big government. I have been taught and teach my kids that God helps those who help themselves.  That is what we should be doing.  And with the state of our country and the mentality of political correctness is making us all go a little crazy.  Bottom line is that maybe we all need to stop worrying about who has what and start figuring out how to make our own way.  After all God gave us all brains and the ability to work.  Maybe we should try that before we overthrow capitalism and democracy.

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            Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I agree 110%, Lindy.

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            lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            So god loves greed?

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               Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Judging from this post and others you've made on other forums, you're in a bit of a mood today, aren't you? What's the deal? Bad day?
               
               Take a deep breath, LMC. Hope it gets better.

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                  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Does God Love Capitalism?

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                     Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Okay, LMC, what's your point? Spit it out before you pop an aneurysm. We can tell something has you worked up and it can't be one simple post. What is it?

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                        lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        "After all God gave us all brains and the ability to work.  Maybe we should try that before we overthrow capitalism and democracy."
                        
                        I just asked if God loves greed and capitalism, that's all...since people always feel free to ascribe America to God.

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                           Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Greed is one of the Seven Deadly Sins.
                           
                           As for Capitalism, here's a link.
                           
                           http://www.gotquestions.org/capitalism-Bible.html
                           
                           Hope this helps and that your day gets better.

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   logic,commonsenseposted 12 years ago

   And who would back our currency when we became like Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Italy, etc.?

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   Lindy's Worldposted 12 years ago

   Logic,
   That is the 64 million dollar question as to who would back our economy if we adopted this model.  The Chinese maybe....wait we are already in hock to them.

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      logic,commonsenseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      and who will bailout China when we take them under with us?  It never ends once you hit the fast spot on the slippery slope.

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   lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

   Why are we in hock to China??
   
   We had to borrow from them to fund the Bush Tax cuts! It's idiotic!
   
   Obama wants to end them, let's let him.

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      American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      False,
      
      They borrowed from CHina to pay for the out of control spending. Revenues Under Bush rose to the highest points ever, under Obama revenues have tanked. FACT( Source IRS)

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Rich got richer, poor got poorer, middle class fell under Bush: FACT.
         
         We are coming back under Obama...I know that's not good for R's, but it's good for America.

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            American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Coming Back?? I really wonder where you live sometimes LMC. Obama cannot escape the facts and all the economic numbers show the truth. You can try to spin them all you want. Fact is the economy was going down before Obama , Obama policies tanked the rest of it. I do think the one funny thing is as much as you blame Bush for the amounts of money the rich make, but you never say anything about the fact they are making more money than ever under Obama.

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               lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Obama's polices tanked? Like heck! The only problem is they should be bigger! But that won't happen as long as the Obstructionist greed-balls are there.
               Get rid of them, and we soar into the future.
               
               Vote them back, and it's Michigan, Indiana, Ohio and Wisconsin.....
               
               Total corporate take-over and the end of civil rights.

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                  American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Show me one policy that improved the economy, one that did not have an adverse effect.
                  
                  LMC, you can say it all you want, the economic numbers do not lie. The CBO has come out with two reports this weak showing how the Obama admin and its policies are failures and made things worse.

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                     lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     The Affordable Care Act,
                     The GM loan
                     The Stimulus
                     
                     ALL a success....one will take time to flower (ACA).
                     
                     I read that the CBO said Obamacare will save money over time and already has insured more people....
                     
                     And they can't kick you off for pregnancy anymore!
                     
                     We need MORE Obama policies, not less.

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                        Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        The only thing we need from Obama is either his failure to win in November or his resignation. If we get neither, there's always impeachment.
                        
                        Either way, he has to go.

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                        American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        ACA- Has already cost the average American several thousand per person, waves of new taxes go into effect this year and more next year, a tax 3 1/2% on selling your home or any real estate over $250,000, new regulations and charges to both health care providers and pharmaceutical companies resulting in higher prescriptions and higher healthcare policies, several million less people insured today than before Obamacare started. Strike one
                        
                        GM LOAN- We sold all our GM stock at a major loss, as part of the bailout, over 550,000 auto workers laid off and not rehired despite Obama saying they were. Government spent $270,000 on every Chevy Volt sold, GM still operating at a loss. Strike two
                        
                        The stimulus, I could sit here and tear it up for all the losses but the CBO reports, and there are several including one this week, that can explain all the failures of it better than I can. Well lets see that 3 strikes, he is out of here. 
                        
                        If you think those were successes, I wonder what it takes for you to see something as the failure it is.

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      uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You are such a bumper sticker

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   Lindy's Worldposted 12 years ago

   We need to vote out all the politicians that want to enact these crazy schemes. We also need to bring business back to the US and enact fair tax codes.  Somehow or the other the inmates are now running the asylum.

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   lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

   "One of the more 1990s features of Romney's very 1990s campaign is his attempt to describe Obama as a European rather than an American. He means by this the notion of Europe as a beleaguered, depressed welfare state (although some moderator might ask him about Germany's 5.5 percent unemployment rate, and why that's such a dreadful model).
   
   The irony is that in 2012, in the real world outside of Mitt's pander-world, much of Europe is being run by center-right governments, who are being dictated to by the center right government in Berlin. And what are 2012's European policies with respect to the economy? Why, they're much closer to Romney and the Republicans than Obama and the Democrats."
   
   http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com … urope.html

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      logic,commonsenseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      and we all know that sullivan is the know all, end all.

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         No, Janet Daly is...

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         steveamyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Because he disagrees with your take on the world?   If you offered American workers the German model of Economy with German employment numbers this would be a moot argument -- were it a referendum it would win in a landslide

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   GavNugentposted 12 years ago

   From a member of one of those European economies being so derided. This crisis is not the fault of the welfare state model in Europe. It is a result of bailing out banks who made bad investments. They made bad investments because the weren't regulated. De-regulation was an American ideal. Smaller government. It almost destroyed my country, Ireland, and has saddled us with decades of austerity and debt. Our banks failed, and the debt spread to government, which basically went bust and had to be bailed out. The US isn't in a all too different situation. Remember not so long ago the federal debt ceiling was increased to avoid default? European economic systems arent the problem. They all are.

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      lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      To be clear, de-regulation is a Republican idea...and now they are coming after union rights.
      
      They want the same policies back, but on steroids.
      
      And THANK YOU for nailing the real cause!

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         American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Who changed the banking rules for loans that allowed lenders to create the bubble and the loses needing a bailout? Hmmmm Was it Barney Frank (D)? The same man who kept saying Fannie and Freddie were great and solvent when Republicans were questioning him.

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            Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Come on, AV! Surely you don't expect the Dems to crucify one of their own for the one of the biggest FUBARred financial screw ups in American history, do you?
            
            You know as well as I do it was all Bush's fault even though he warned them 14 times of what was coming.

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            lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Phil Gramm, the fat bloated pig.

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    psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

    Anything might improve an economy being run into the ground by decades of unbalanced budgets.  After all, Europe includes Germany as well as Hungary--better economies (by scale) as well as worse.

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    dadibobsposted 12 years ago

    Well if over here in Europe is an indication, vote for someone else!

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       Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       American liberals love your system, dadibobs. Do you have room for them to move over there?

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          lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I don't love a system run by far right wing x-tremists...didn't you read Sullivan?

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    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    My day is fine...and I prefer this one:
    
    
    John 2:13.“ And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all of them who sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
    And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."
    
    The den of thieves is what America has become. IMO
    And since we have used Capitalism to get there....it just makes me wonder:
    
    What gvt would Jesus choose?

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       Onusonusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Capitalism of course.

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          lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Riiiiight, cause Capitalism says "sell all that you have, give to the poor and follow me".

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       Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Jesus did not want the buying and selling of goods to take place in His house, the Temple, as it is a house of prayer. To say He was against Capitalism because of this is a bit of a stretch, LMC.
       
       As to what government Jesus would choose, IMHO, He wouldn't choose any as He is above ALL forms of government.

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          lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Then why does he head a Kingdom? That implies rules and people knowing their place.

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             Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             Luke 17 (KJV)
             And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
             
             The Kingdom of God isn't a place like the United Kingdom to be ruled by a king or queen, LMC. The Kingdom of God is within each of us.

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                lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Yes, but Jesus is the King. That means we bow to him, or not? So far, I haven't. I still cannot love my enemies!

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                   Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                   I choose to bow to Him and only Him. What you do is your business and yours alone, LMC.

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                      lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                      You are much kinder lately...I will admit that. You are trying, and it shows.

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                         Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                         I have my moments, LMC.

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    Onusonusposted 12 years ago

    Obama's achievements. Fail.
    

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       lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I prefer Maddow's Bikini Chart....and my own personal experience of Life.
       
       Obama cares.

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          Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Are you talking about Maddow on MSNBC? Why would that dude be wearing a bikini?

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             Onusonusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             Sorry dude but you can't be grossed out by another dude wearing a bikini, that would be intolerant, and hateful.

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                Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                But it's that Maddow dude from MSNBC!!! Who wouldn't be grossed out by seeing him in a bikini?

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          American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Obama does care, for himself

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       lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Maddows bikini chart:
       23rd consecutive month of job growth...
       
       http://www.barackobama.com/jobsrecord?s … record_jan

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          Onusonusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          that's great, he's trying to solve the problem by racking up the most debt any president has ever attempted in the history of the United States and the percentage still isn't down to what it was the day he took office.

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             Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             Certainly you don't expect Obama or any other Liberal to learn from past mistakes or to see that Socialism has never worked anywhere it's been tried.
             
             Why, that would take a major conversion to . . . .
             
             OH, MY GOD . . . .
             
             CONSERVATISM!!!!

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                lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                What we are dealing with is theft of a country's wealth and future.
                
                Name-calling is all you got?

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                   Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                   Yea, stealing from the rich to give to the poor who pay no taxes to begin with.
                   
                   Name calling: It's called the Robin Hood Syndrome.
                   
                   Hopefully we won't have to see Obama, Reid, or Pelosi in tights.
                   
                   I think I just threw up in the back of my throat with that one.

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                      lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                      Ehhhhhh, what we have seen is Reverse Robin Hood: taking from the lesser to give to the richer.
                      
                      Or have you missed the income disparity charts?
                      
                      Very revealing.

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                         Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                         Do you have a link?

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                            lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                            Come on LH...you know how to google.
                            
                            Income disparity in the USA, 2000-2008.

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                               Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                               Come on, dear, sweet LMC. It's Friday. Take it easy on this old man. I turned 50 big ones this past Monday.

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          American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          really 23 months. Funny how everyone forget the 3 months of ZERO in that run. which means once more false numbers form Obama that the blind follower believe in.

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       Phoebe Pikeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       It's not just Obama who is making the economy this way... the people who are supposed to be representing us are also the ones making it this way. If they could only try to agree they might have some change, but instead they fight and argue like children!

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          uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Actually if we could just freeze government in place and not allow it to do anything at all - the American people would solve all these problems.  Government does more to get in the way of progress and solutions than it does to facilitate solutions.

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    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    She's got more stones than most guys...that's true. she could wipe the floor with Russssshhhhhhhhh and his big mouth.
    
    And here are 2 true-blue Americans!! Concerned for their country, as she had given them so much:
    
    "Billionaire Bill Gates said recently that, “I don’t feel like people like myself are paying as much [in taxes] as we should.” Actor Chris Rock echoed the argument, saying said he would be fine with paying more. “I’ll pay higher taxes. I look at it this way. I can pay higher taxes and people can have jobs, or I can pay lower taxes and I have my kid’s teacher asking me for a loan, which is true,”
    
    It ALL goes together, and 99% fell to accomodate the 1%...this is the horrible truth.
    
    And Obama wants to reverse it...this is the wonderful truth.
    And all the waaaaaa waaaaaa is but noise to a mothers ears....like nails scratching down a chalk-board....or the dulcet sounds of Russsshhhhhhh throwing a hissy-fit.
    
    It's like water on a duck's back: quack quack....but The People are back!
    
    400 vs 2,000,000,600. Un believable, isn't it? Quite!

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       Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Gates and Chris Rock are welcome to send in checks and I'm sure the government will take them and misuse the funds somehow. They always do.
       
       As for me, I think I'll keep as much as I can and always work to get and keep more.

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       American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Not for nothing but didnt Rock get audited like 6 years ago for tax evasion, he paid the back taxes and walked?

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    Tad Dicksonposted 12 years ago

    Obama has taken NO action to show that he would carry out the promises he made in 2008.
    
    I think America see's what type of "President" he is.
    
    He has no Leadership ability, doesn't do what he say's and is really out of touch.

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       American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Tad,
       
       Come on now give him credit where it is due since there is very little he can hang his hat on. He did deliver hope and change. He changed everything for the worse and now we hope to vote him out

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    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    8 years in office and the economy collapses...that good enough?
    
    But worse is when people want to do it all again!!

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    Perspycaciousposted 12 years ago

    "23rd consecutive month" of insufficient job growth.  Tell the unemployed what the president's appointee told Congress yesterday, namely that they can "expect three more years to get the economy back to normal" and see how many of those "very poor" (or soon to be) votes you think Pres. BH Obama can expect from them!

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       lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       More than all of Bushs years in office.....and still he gets no respect.
       
       smh....

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          American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Only because the left wants to keep trying to hide the facts. It was the Dem congress overspending that got us here, the Dems regulations that allowed the loans that created the bubble. and so on and so on. I hope Obama wins, I hope he follows through on everything he says like eliminating the Bush tax cuts, doubling capital gains. And when you live on the street I wonder if you will still be singing his praises.

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       Onusonusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       It's simple, once the president pumps enough fake money into the economy to create a false image of economic recovery, people will be parading in the streets to have him re-elected. Then after the damage is done, he will create another crisis situation, so he can propose another unsubstantiated stimulus package to pump more fake money into the economy so to force businesses into default, thus allowing the government the ability to seize more private companies, and further his vision of a socialist, big government, planned economy. Welcome to Commieland.
       
       And it's all going to be about rushing the proposal to the house floor to avoid an imminent crisis that he created.
       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0CxKChrTak

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          lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Ahahahahaa! Obama created derivatives??
          
          Obama found WMD's and went to "war"?
          Obama gave tax cuts to the Uber Rich and took it from the middle class?
          
          Obama out-sourced jobs??
          
          Planet ABO.

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    sulu316posted 12 years ago

    lol

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    maxoxam41posted 12 years ago

    How many of you, us belong to those superior classes (upper-class and elite)?  None and in your discourse you advance their argumentation (no taxes for them)! I am wondering what will affect if those measures were taken?
    Most of the writers are in a economic and social predicament and a non negligible portion of this platform behaves as if they were part and parcel of the 1% layer!
    Are we in a different planet?

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       Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       "in your discourse you advance their argumentationin your discourse you advance their argumentation . . . . "
       
       Who might "you" be, Max?

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       lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       We are on a different planet.
       
       They are on ABO, we are on planet Earth, where facts matter, not smear campaigns.

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          Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Okay, I'll bite.
          
          What smear campaigns?

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             lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             "Welcome to Commieland."

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    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    Oh dat meany-weany pwesident....he hates dose poor corporations, dose poor poor poooooor corporations who pay so much!:
    
    "Total corporate federal taxes paid fell to 12.1% of profits earned from activities within the U.S. in fiscal 2011, which ended Sept. 30, according to the Congressional Budget Office. That’s the lowest level since at least 1972. And well below the 25.6% companies paid on average from 1987 to 2008."
    
    and to THINK!--Obama is anti-business. The nerve.

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       Onusonusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah those big meanie weenie oil companies who take home 4% off a gallon of oil while the government taxes 15% are the greedy ones.
       
       Face it, the big bad rich people pay all the taxes in this country.

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          lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          If they pay all the taxes, it's because they have all the money...THAT is the real truth.

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             Onusonusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             You think that the rich people have all the money? That's a joke!
             Tell that to the millions of American consumers who on a daily basis drive their big cars and trucks down the street to shopping centers, grocery stores, tourist attractions, and other various leisure time outings. Tell them that they aren't making enough money.
             The truth is corporations don't have all the money, America has the biggest middle class in the world. No other country comes close.
             America has been the leader in scientific and technological innovation since it's inception. it was Americans who invented the Airplane, the telephone, the oil well, the revolver, the internet, the motorcycle, the assembly line, the artificial heart, the laser, the air bag, the automatic transmission, the internet, the cotton gin, the microprocessor, GPS, the microwave, the nuclear submarine, radiocarbon dating, the list goes on and on and on.
             
             On a yearly basis America, which makes up only 5% of the worlds population, puts out 14 trillion dollars worth of the worlds GDP, the runner up is China who only puts out nearly 5 trillion. We do this on a yearly basis and we do it with 24% of the population that China has.
             
             The fact is that you and I are part of the top 10% of the richest people in the world, but all you can think about is the top 1% of the 1%. Yeah there are going to be people richer than you and me, that's always going to happen, but to say that we are getting screwed by corporations is void of reason when clearly there is so much abundance in this country. And to play it down by using class warfare propaganda is simply an attempt to push failed socialist ideology on the listener.

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                John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                "America has been the leader in scientific and technological innovation since it's inception. it was Americans who invented the Airplane, the telephone, the oil well, the revolver, the internet, the motorcycle, the assembly line, the artificial heart, the laser, the air bag, the automatic transmission, the internet, the cotton gin, the microprocessor, GPS, the microwave, the nuclear submarine, radiocarbon dating, the list goes on and on and on."
                
                Good joke, now go and do your homework.

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                   Onusonusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                   Really? Which of these things hasn't America invented?

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                      John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                      Well, the telephone and the motorcycle for starters.
                      
                      Many were joint inventions that just happened to be patented in the US.

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                         uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                         Television is one in which the invention is so complex that multiple components had to be invented before the final invention.  Russians and Americans were pursuing television.

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                         Onusonusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                         So the Idea may have not originated in America, but it was American ingenuity that made those inventions what they are today. Patented, and sold in mass quantity to the people.

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                            John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                            Hm, remind me of all the great American motor bikes? About all I can think of are Harleys and Indians!
                            
                            And the last time I was in the States I was impressed by the archaic nature of your telephones.

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                               Onusonusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                               The best bikes ever made!
                               And the telephones, That's just healthy competition.
                               
                               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFMdeXujgHw

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                      Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                      The internet for one.
                      
                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee

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                         uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                         Well Go UK.  There is still good stuff happening there it isn't all "Top Gear" and Premiereship Football and Kate Beckinsale.(all of which I enjoy)

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    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    But...how could this be? you may aks (s/o/to Russsshhhhhh)
    
    "due to a proliferation of corporate tax breaks and the use of offshore tax havens."
    
    Oh. So That's how Mittens does it

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    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    Awwww, did you see him on church Sunday? what a guy:
    
    "Bill O'Reilly won't acknowledge medical bills make people poor. They're "lazy"

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    maxoxam41posted 12 years ago

    In what way Britain is a model?

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    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    Caste system, USA.
    
    "We’re told that all we have to do is pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and anyone can succeed. Unfortunately, the game is increasingly rigged against those who weren’t smart enough to pick wealthy parents.
    
    All my life I’ve heard Latin America described as a failed society (or collection of failed societies) because of its grotesque maldistribution of wealth. Peasants in rags beg for food outside the high walls of opulent villas, and so on. But according to the Central Intelligence Agency (whose patriotism I hesitate to question), income distribution in the United States is more unequal than in Guyana, Nicaragua, and Venezuela, and roughly on par with Uruguay, Argentina, and Ecuador. Income inequality is actually declining in Latin America even as it continues to increase in the United States. Economically speaking, the richest nation on earth is starting to resemble a banana republic."
    
    Obama is trying to reverse this.....and what are the R's trying to do? Even MORE inequality! IMO
    
    Caste system, USA:
    
    http://motherjones.tumblr.com/post/1698 … the-median

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       Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       There's several great ways to fight this thing called 'grotesque maldistribution of wealth', LMC.
       
       Lets see, there's hard work.
       
       We can't leave out initiative.
       
       Oh, and lets not forget ambition.
       
       IMHO.

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          John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          There's plenty who work hard and never get off the bottom rung.
          There's plenty with initiative who never overcome the glass ceiling.
          There's plenty with ambition who never had the right parents.

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             Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             There's plenty who work hard and never get off the bottom rung and never took the initiative to get the additional training and education to get higher than that bottom rung.
             
             There's plenty with initiative who never overcome the glass ceiling but weren't willing to find a different job where that glass ceiling wasn't a factor.
             
             There's plenty with ambition who never had the right parents but they didn't let that stop them from achieving their goals.
             
             Come on, John. We both know these are just excuses and you don't seem to be the type of guy who makes excuses in your own life. Should we allow others to do so?

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                John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                But they aren't just excuses.
                If you are working hard all day long where do you find the time to get a better education?
                
                For every one who can sidestep the glass ceiling there are many who can't
                
                And for many with ambition but without the right parents, they don't achieve their goals.
                
                Not every body is equipped with masses of talent and an overriding ambition to be a high flyer and the ability to control others to work for their benefit.

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                   Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                   If you are working hard all day long where do you find the time to get a better education?
                   
                   At night. I did it. So can anybody else. They just have to want it bad enough.
                   
                   For every one who can sidestep the glass ceiling there are many who can't
                   
                   True but they have to try by either knocking the hell out of it with what they have or finding something somewhere else. Again, they just have to want it bad enough.
                   
                   And for many with ambition but without the right parents, they don't achieve their goals.
                   
                   I don't know about the UK but, if you want it bad enough here, there are grants, scholarships, and loans to be gotten. They just have to put forth the effort to find them and make it happen.
                   
                   Not every body is equipped with masses of talent and an overriding ambition to be a high flyer and the ability to control others to work for their benefit.
                   
                   I'll grant you this one, John. Some are happy to be where they are and that's all that's really important. The only person responsible for one's happiness is themselves.

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                      John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                      I'd be behind you 100% if there was equality of opportunity but there isn't.
                      I don't know what it's like in the US, probably pretty much the same as in the UK, but living at the wrong address can close so many doors to people.

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                         Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                         I'll admit there's some of that here in my area and more so in others. I use to live in a town where if you didn't have money, you where nobody and treated as such by some. Just google Brentwood, TN, click on "images", and you'll see the houses of the town. Seems like a lot for an average family size of just 4-6 people.
                         
                         Truth is, most are in debt up to their eyeballs but would never let that pretense of wealth drop for the world to see. Heaven forbid the world see the truth.

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    Druid Dudeposted 12 years ago

    One world currency...one world government.

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    Wayne Brownposted 12 years ago

    Obama's primary puppetmaster, George Soros, desires nothing less than a European model. Clinton allowed Frank-Dodd to get the ball rolling and when the bubble burst Obama showed up to hang the horse-collar on the US financial system. Soros wants to see the SEC and the various regulatory arms out of the picture so that he can more easily manipulate the banking industry on an international scale. Obama, lacking any morale fiber or values, is the perfect mule to carry that task into the mines. Give him four more years and the American financial system will be in shambles along with middle-class America and it will all be done while talking about taxing the rich and feeding the poor...just something to divide and conquer...nothing else. The bait is there on the hook, all he has to do is get middle-class America to swallow. WB

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    Perspycaciousposted 12 years ago

    We appear to need new rules which require our representatives and our senators to actually do their jobs!  How will that happen when they make their own rules?!  Putting the Social Security Trust Fund where they could spend it to make themselves look good has been a catastrophe.  Failing in their oversight responsibilities for monitoring the banks and lending institutions got us into our present mess which is so hard for the country to climb out of.  Spending too much time raising their politcal campaign funds, too little time in session, giving committee chairmen too much power to hold up legislatain and appointments....the list goes on and on.  How do you change the Ship of State's course when there is no steering wheel?  Choosing a great president for our next four years will mean little, if he or she has to do the job with an inoperative Congress!
    "Give a man a little power and he soon begins to use it unrighteously."  We have laws to protect against "unrighteous" but how do we really handle "incompetent" when every state and district seems to buy into the idea that "It's not our guy/gal.  It's those other ones!"?

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