All opinions respected. Who would win a debate between Obama and Limbaugh?
What is the topic of the debate?
Best way to get the lemmings to follow you over a cliff. Probably Rush
Obama definitely. Limbaugh spouts out the most insane and most times ridiculous opinions about everything.
Rush Limbaugh is someone who should not host a national radio program or any program for that matter.In my opinion and I know others also feel that he is a racist and that's why he was fired from a radio program in Sacramento,Ca. for making remarks about Asian Americans. Why anyone whould take him serious is beyond me. Sure there is freedom of speech in this country but the words he is speaking about Obama are to me inciting hatred and fear in a way that is very dangerous and could possibly, if not already cause elevated hatred and discord for many citizens of this country.I would love to see a national boycott of companys that endorse him and pay him a ridiculous amount of money. I tune in sometimes just to hear a pure idiot ramble on,but not for long. The repubs are in a bad way with him as their pseudo leader.
President Obama on the other hand although being at times to pragmatic is leading the country in the direction that it needs to be led. We all know what mess he walked into to and unfortunately stimulus spending is the only way to jump-start the economy. His administration is being very transparent on where and how the money is being spent and I know in my heart this is the only way. We need to purge ahead and don't look back. He is going on his fifth month in office and already has accomplished more than Bush did in the same time frame and perhaps doing his 8 years as Cheney's sidekick. For those who are so critical of Obama, just ask yourselves the question: Do you really think McCain/Palin could have done better? I think not. This is the United States of America and although we have different opinions and political factions; it is one thing to disagree and another to be completely disrespectful of a person who is leading the most powerful country in the world. I wonder what the history books 30 or 40 years from now are going to read.
Of course stimulus spending is the only way to jump start the country if you are of the Keyens doctrine or a Fabian... That is a socialist doctrine that states the only way to a socialist government is to dramatically increase the debt of a country and make the citizens owe you more than they have....it is the short term way to do it. Obama is not happy with the "modest" increase in the economy is what was said on the news the other day. Why because it means the government doesn't have so much control. They are taking over the medicine industry AND he has proposed a bill that will put an carbon emissions restriction on ALL natural gas....this would increase energy bills by 50 percent. So oh yes obama is great for the new social government.
Honestly...i think he is a puppet...he is too much about his celebrity status. Besides he can never answer a direct question...He doesn't know the answer...
Stimulus spending is not a precursor for socialism. It is a necessary evil so to speak becuase without it this counrty would plunge into depression. I remember last year when TARP money was given to WALL STREET under the old administration more than once,not even a whimper was uttered about socialism. Was it because it was the powerful banks that caused the whole fiasco? I'm just really tired of hearing the condemnation of Barack Obama and I wonder to myself...why. I may have to divulge that later in my OpEd.
I disagree go back to the Great Depression when the government got too involved...what has it created? Social Security...which out of my meager 200 i make every two weeks...40 of it goes to social security and i will never see it...medicaid, medicare. Now that is socialism. And what did the democrats say when Bush proposed a plan that would allow me to make a choice for half MY MONEY to go into social security and the other half of MY MONEY to go into a personal retirement account? They vetoed it all the way. So is this government heading towards socialism? Practically all of Europe has socialsit governments and they are bankrupt. It is all based off this Fabian theory
Obama has certainly accomplished more than Bush...
Exceeded Bush's total deficit after only 5 months,
Trampled the constitution and 150 year old bankruptcy laws by directly interfering with the legal rights of Chrysler's secured creditors,
Terrified the citizens of New York for the sake of an Air Force 1 photo op,
Trampled the constitution and equal-protection laws by passing laws directed at specific income earners who received 'bonus' money despite the fact that the same bonuses were approved in the original bailout agreements,
and acted as the poster child for class warfare by openly criticizing the salaries of corporate CEOS.
What a busy guy he is!
How in the world does he find time to fly to New York (on the taxpayer's dime) to take his wife on a date?
Rush Limbaugh racist? You have obviously never listened to al sharpton or jesse james!
Obama has done more that Bush already? Are you serious? Please tell me, what has obama done. The economy is still wretched, troops are still in Iraq, people are still losing their homes, what has he done?! I really pray that America doesnt end up socialist
Oh Rush would win hands down...he doesn't need a teleprompter to tell him what to say...sure he may say thing that get him in a bad spot...but don't tell me you haven't ever said a negative word about anyone whether jew or christian or muslim, black or white or brown
Many people use a teleprompter in a speech because of the enormity of facts and information that has to be given. All presidents have used it. As far as Limbaugh is concerned he really doesn't say anything relevant, so it does not matter.
I have no problem with a teleprompter, i have a problem when the president has to rely on teleprompter at all times. There have been many times Obama has been asked questions and has beaten around the bush because he doesn't know the answers. That is my problem with a teleprompter
This is so incredibly un-serious, I cannot take you seriously. The two are not even on the same level. Strip your obvious rightist leanings--take it to a human level, and what do you have? An attractive, confident guy who graduated with honors from one of the top law schools in the country, worked as a professor, has written 2 top selling books, has a beautiful family, is one of the best spoken presidents we HAVE EVER HAD, the WRITER/orator, already, of several key, noted speeches using nearly poetic rhetoric--a serious, level demeanor, who proved himself in political debates against those at his level and stature on the national stage already, and a serious, real job.
An unattractive, obese, twice divorced, wind-bag drug addict who dropped out of college, failing every class he took, who stirs the angry and stupid, at this point nearly rabid far right into a frenzy while he fleeces them for $$. Which would make him NOT that stupid--if he were indeed in it just for the money--but I believe he believes, at least on some level, what he preaches--even if it is undoubtedly a hammy show at the same time. And even with all due respect, beyond that--he is a RADIO announcer and ENTERTAINER--that's it. That he is the 'unofficial' spokesperson of the Republican party is testimony to their loss of direction, focus--and any hope in hell, frankly.
Which makes the 'other side' very, very happy, by the way. That somebody would actually even suggest that a person like Limbaugh would win a debate against a person like our current sitting President of the United States of America. Because it means there is a very serious break with any notion of reality on the part of those who would utter such things--and politically and strategically speaking, it means the Republican party will NOT return to power or influence any time soon.
Hence, I'm very happy you would think this way.
I do have to agree that Obama is an eloquent, persuasive speaker, but I don't believe much else about his intelligence. i am not saying Rush is the greatest and I hang on his every word, but Rush would be Obama any day...hands down. Obama was trained to be a good speaker...but that doesnt mean he has the policies for it...He is too much of a people pleaser
Way to go Inner Jew:
A genius brought it to my attention today how fortunate America is to have such wise and moral people leading us in the Democratic Party. How the Republicans are to busy preaching family values, while encouraging their kids to have sex, (He was referring to Palin). I wasn't aware that she had actually encouraged her daughter to get pregnant. But if the Democrats think that everything our kids do is because of direct encouragement from us, well then this sheds a whole new light on things. Things I guess I was never aware of before. So it got me to thinking, and maybe they are right. Maybe I have been looking at his thing all wrong. So, Thank God we have been so blessed to have such great role models and family values from the "progressives". I am trying so hard to model my life after the values they have given us. I try to teach my children these values every day. Yes I look at Bill Clinton---the model family man. So I have requested a young intern to work at my office this Summer, I only hope I can impart the same wisdom and fatherly advice on my intern as Bill did for his intern. Then there is the great lessons for the children, let's see, Joe Biden's kid has been a drug user, so he must have encouraged it. Why else would such a great moral intelligent person have a kid that used drugs if not encouraged as part of his family value plan?
My kids will be glad to hear I am moving away from that foolish just Say No Policy. It's to much work anyway trying to preach that stuff all the time
Then there is the great lessons to be learned from Gov. Blagojevich, a true leader, why he must be, didn't he just get his own show Blagovivch Superstar? I will try to model my business behavior after his leadership. I will sell promotions to members of our staff. Why didn't I think of this before?? Staff manager goes to the highest bidder. Do I have to pay taxes on that money? Apparently not if I follow the moral example of any number of Obama appointees. They under stand that paying taxes is for losers. Why it must be true, because look at Tim Geitner, he gets to be Treasury Secretary and "fix” the economy. Wow!!
That was a good one Mr. Obama--"fix" the economy, I get it like the fix is in for all those loser tax payers.
I should have noticed this long ago, how could I have been so blind? I had example after example set for me right in my own backyard and I was blind to it. Talk about not being able to see the forest for the trees. Why my own state of MA has just had the third Speaker of the House indicted.
The first two were rewarded following their indictments, Bulger getting appointed as the President of the Univ. of MA. (think of what an edge those students had, learning the Progressive values from the best himself).
Then there was Finnernan, he was indicted for obstruction of justice, (he only redistricted to make sure he had a white majority to keep his seat). But he got his reward, no jail time and is now a morning drive talk host on the biggest talk station in Boston. Yup, the "Progressives have figured this thing out.
Now it's the third Speaker's turn, Speaker DaMasi. was just indicted last week. It's a shame they have to wait for these foolish trials to end. Can't they just give him his reward now?
I tell you these "Progressives" have really helped me to see my wayward ways. To think for years I paid taxes, preached no drugs, no sex and work values to my kids. I even went to church on Sundays and listened to the priest preach love and forgiveness. What was I thinking?? The kind of church that the "Progressives" go to sounds so much more fun. Screaming about America's Chickens have come to Roost, and forget that boring God Bless America crap, no that rant about "God Dam America" is so exciting. I can not wait to find a church like this in my area. My kids are going to get a real kick out of this, they will never tell me church is boring again. I hope the church I find has a preacher screaming about Jews and Zionists keeping control of the President. I can't wait to stand and scream along with him.
I wonder if my wife was ever proud of America, hmmmmmm
I hope my intern wears a blue dress too.
The Shark---taking a bite out of liberalism
Here is an excerpt from a hub I wrote on Rush:
*Today, while I was driving to the doctors, a car pulled out in front of me. It was an old lady in a gray colored Ford Taurus. Normally I'd take to the action of blaring my horn at her incompetence. But just before my hand reach the center of my steering wheel, I notice the single bumper sticker she had stuck to her car's tail end. It said, "Flush Rush".
I tell ya, I never considered myself a left wing liberal, but more of an independent. This last Presidential election was the first time in my life that I voted for a Democrat presidential candidate. My ballot always resembles a bi-partisan position, voting for candidates that best match up to my overall principles. Never have I voted along one particular party line or another. I consider myself to be an educated, well informed voter. However, I can't help but to think of what my positioning would be today.
I seriously don't think that I'd take the time to research each candidate as diligently as I did. No. Why? Simply because I want nothing to do with Rush. I want nothing to do with a party that shares his ignorant, hate-filled view points. I'd soon stay as far as I can from the likes of that man. He is an extremist. And I feel he is a very dangerous person to have around tauting this and that. As a proud American, I can't help but to feel that the party of the people, Lincoln's party has all but failed. It is my personal position, that do to the recent onslaught of rhetoric that keeps flowing from Rush Limbaugh's breath, he has single handily turned me into a left wing liberal. Not so much because I agree along party lines. But more so because I absolutely disagree with Rush and his hate, war mongering selfishness.
I can't understand why people follow or listen to him. Just like the bumper sticker I read today, I want nothing more than for Rush Limbaugh to be flushed down a toilet. I don't think that the GOP understands how destructive Rush Limbaugh and Dick Cheney outlandish backlashes, and hate filled speeches are to the might of the Republican party over all. I know I'm not the only who senses a need for friendship between all political parties. Why can't Rush try to get along with the rest of us Americans who aren't as extreme as him? America is exhausted. We are tired of the wide dividing lines that our political parties has brought forth between us. We are tired a people hindering a chance at progress. More importantly, we are tired of sore losers ranting and raving, because their guy didn't win. I hope, before it is too late for the GOP, that they somehow try harder to distant themselves from the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Dick Cheney. *
WHOA... you are telling me that a single man has pushed you to extreme left because you don't like what he says...now that is crazy...especially saying you don't agree with the extreme left...aren't you just doing the same thing as the extreme right but opposite? YOu should not ever let one person change your point of view or make you go against what he says. I disagree with alot of ppl but that isn't going to make me go to the complete opposite of what they said.
I don't feel it is crazy to not want oneself to be associated with a political terrorist. This man is a drug addict. You being okay with a man like that, is crazy.
Barack’s an admitted cocaine user, how is that any different than Rush's pain killer addiction? Right or wrong, Rush speaks from a Republicn Coservative stance not a Republicn Extreme or Republican Moderate. I'm a centrist and dont buy into half the stuff he says, but also the stuff I think he may be right on, I research for myself. He may not be a real politician but I don't trust the word of celebrities either.
User? Full blown addict? Is there not a difference here? Please. Have you ever drank a beer, or anything made with alcohol? Are you an Alcoholic? Smoke pot? Ever tried pot? Are you a drug addict? Has Obama ever been hospitalized because of addiction? Has RUSH? YES! Com'on, you know there is a big difference between user and addict. For another thing, Rush doesn't speak from a conservative stance. If he did- he would have departed from the Republican party eight years ago. Are you familiar with Lincoln's party? Are you sure that YOU fully understand what it is the Republicans, up until two years ago stood for? Right wing politics was never about Christ, morals and values. It was never about ostracizing people from their party, because they happen to have voted bi-partisan, or believe that judges should be more liberal, or that the death penalty is wrong, or that pro-abortion is pro-life. The Republican party wasn't formed so that America could be a policing nation. The Republican party use to be the party for small businessmen and not CEO's monopolizing on incompetent leadership. Are you sure you are fully aware of what it means to call yourself a Republican? By the way, I use to be Right-wing Republican, that is until I HAD to be for Capital punishment, prolife, anti-environment, Isolation, monopolies, and higher taxes on the working class and small business! When I registered to vote, and when I first enter college- the Republican party was pretty neutral on all those above items, except for taxes. Back then they were for giving small businesses tax breaks, hunting down and stopping monopolies, and easing the tax burden for middle class families.
There is a difference indeed. Rush is a radio talk show host. Nothing he says or does affects my life in any way.
Obama, on the other hand, what he's doing is going to affect me, my children and my children's children. And not in a good way, I'm afraid.
Ah Yes Rush is indeed a nationally syndicated talk show host. Yes sir he is. But I believe I was addressing a good hubber's comment about Obama snorting blow, and Rush being an addict. Now are you suggesting to me that because Rush is a talk show host, that it IS okay that he is a full blown addict representing 16% of the right-wing conservative American vote?
Although many people agree with Rush, he doesn't represent anyone but himself. And he successfully underwent rehab. I haven't seen or heard any news stories of relapses on his part.
For me, Obama's past drug use is not a big issue. It's his policies I have a problem with.
I can respect that totally. This thread was started from the premise of making an opinion one way or another. Some people didn't get it. They were too busy poking at this and that instead of letting their own educated opinion known. So you don't like Obama. Good. Do you like Rush? Believer of his policies are you? I'm not. But I'm sure you gathered that.
Yes, I did gather that. I agree with some of what Rush says but not 100%. I think he's smart and knows how to grab publicity by saying things that shock and upset some people. I haven't checked his ratings (although I know he's very highly rated) but it wouldn't surprise me if he saw a big spike in audience following some of his more controversial statements.
I used to produce a radio show (local sports talk in the Miami area) years ago and I understand that in the radio business, the absolute most important thing is to have listeners. The best way to do that is to be somewhat controversial and unpredictable.
To me, Rush reminds me of a mad man. He remains me of Kim Jong II. He reminds me of Boris Yelstin. He reminds of someone, anybody who has destructive addictive tendencies that urges them to seek attention.
I think he does speak as a conservative Republican. Where would he have departed to? It was Bush that fled the conservatives. Bush created 2 of the largest beurocracies this country has ever seen, No Child Left Behind and Homeland Security.
Please don't jump to the conclusion that I'm a Republican. In fact, I voted for Obama. I could not stand to see another Bush clone running this country. I voted for a democrat not a socialist and I do what I can to let my representatives know that.
My defense of Rush as a speaker is not a defense of his politics. I am, as I stated earlier, a centrist so some of what he says appeals to me. And I think he is vastly knowledgable on all key issues. I also think that Obama is a "nice guy" and would be a "nice guy" in a debate with Rush who is not so nice. I remember the debates and there were several that Obama seemed flustered when responding to questions. He used "uh" and "um" quite a bit. Now I have never seen Rush in a live debate I have only heard him in what I would assume was a live phone debate and he does not fluster.
Would I want Rush as the leader of my country? NO! Do I think he would win in a debate with Obama? I think so.
I disagree completely. Calm or even a directed emotional calm destroys bluster almost always in an argument or debate. The 'not so nice' on so many levels McCain and even Hillary Clinton tried the nasty factor and it did not work against Obama.
Also, people have to remember that there ARE always some people who do pay attention to the issues and read. On those issues, a studied person like Obama will score 100% with such observers.
And I believe Limbaugh to be knowledgeable on NOTHING that matters. Nothing. Or he'd be president, and Obama would be some guy who stirs up hate on the radio. And thank God you wouldn't want Limbaugh as leader of our country. Far, far worse than the worst case scenario of Sarah Palin becoming president.
LOL! It's always funny to see people oh so earnestly believing their subjective opinions are objective facts. LOL! It's like they say, everyone's got one. Some people know what they are for and other people think theirs is a magical truth machine.
Yer so boring, TK,
I watched every debate from Day 1. I read extensively both candidates backgrounds and records. (McCain, btw, is our senator here, and my bf, architect, does business with one of his financial guys....) I'm not even gonna give you the lists of periodicals I read. I'm gonna guess somebody as non-subjective and witty as you (lol, serious lol) would know what they are and what biases they have and how to balance those. (No?)
Yeah, it is like they say, everybody DOES have one. Some are very very very smelly for how little they contribute.
I think what you are seeing is the fact I write strongly (always been a talent since the 1st or 2nd grade, what can I do? Wanna talk to my teachers?) Jealous?
I think you should stick to following Mark Knowles around and calling him 'bigot'...or maybe attacking Darkside, or C. Feirrara. You know, if you do that, what you are doing will look less predatory.
OMG!!!!! You can read and write? And you have a TV?! Wow! That DOES make everyone who disagrees with your political views ignorant fools fit only to be scoffed at by you and other 'correct' people at cocktail parties.
I wouldn't fuck with her, she's slammed you down every time you try to come back up. But hey, its a free forum, you like to make a fool of yourself, continue on. I got a little bout with insomnia. I'm your huckleberry, lil' Johnny Ringo.
Too far, TK - Do you want to start making personal attacks on me? Feel free, lad, if it soothes your ego.
For somebody who trawls around the forums, practically begging others to make personal attacks on you, you do like to dish it out.
You are now, TK - your attempts at intellectual bullying have become tiresome and irritating. I have just made this my business - one of the distinct advantages of a public forum.
Fire away, TK - I bite back
Wow, I'm scared now. Try to relax, it's just a forum.
Nice try, TK, but the arrogant and condescending tone does not work with me. As I sit and look out over the beautiful Greek mountains, I am very relaxed - thanks for your concern.
If it is only a forum, why are you determined to turn it into a territorial pissing contest?
LOL okay you were probably tired when you wrote this but since you are always throwing in logic, how can someone be "far, far, worse than the worst case scenario? How can Rush be knowledgeable on "NOTHING that matters" and maintain the highest rated talk radio show for the past 20 years? I would never ask you to agree with his politics but on the same note, you cannot dismiss his influence within his party.
And for the record, I think Hillary Clinton beat Obama at every debate and she had a better grasp of the issues discussed and her responses directed at Obama often caused him to stumble for words.
I hope Obama does well and I think he responded correctly with the bailouts, as costly as they are, to bring confidence back to the economy. But when he goes to socialize medicine, I will be extremely critical. It's the duty of every citizen to be critical of their representatives. They are our REPRESENTATIVES not our LEADERS.
I like what you've said here. But they are both leaders and representatives. That is a hard dynamic to categorize into either or.
No--I don't 'bring up logic all the time.' You should not be influenced by trolls or very rude people attacking hubpage members of all varieties to get kicks. And guaranteed, I'll only ever mention 'logic' again to those who can handle it. That scenario absolutely destroyed my interest in trying to be decent and thinking people could handle the information at a surface level.
Using terms like 'far, far,' against the 'worst case scenario' is called hyperbole. A rhetoric construct. Sorry, again, that I know the term. What can I say or do about that?
Socializing medicine--OMG this is so far off base. Please do research. One of Obama's strongest supporters in his bid for presidency was the health care industry. It ain't great, or pretty, in my opinion, but fact. What do you suppose that means?
The fact you think Hillary beat Obama 'every time,' is your opinion, and you absolutely have a right to it, absolutely. I disagree. Should I apologize that I know this, or for using terms of logic?
Obama said any health-care legislation that the Democratic-controlled Congress sends him must reduce health-care costs, give Americans a choice of doctors and medical coverage, and provide affordable care for everyone. He is all for SINGLE PAYER NATIONAL HEALTHCARE COVERAGE. How is that not socializing medicine. As for his support from the healthcare industry, they thought they were going to get a big fat blank check from the US taxpayer. The support is fading fast. This was posted today: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/11/us/po … th.html?hp
From the article:
In an interview, Dr. Nancy H. Nielsen, president of the American Medical Association, said she was delighted by Mr. Obama’s plan to address the doctors.
“Health care reform is as important to us as it is to him,” Dr. Nielsen said. “We will be engaged in discussions in a constructive way. But we absolutely oppose government control of health care decisions or mandatory physician participation in any insurance plan.”
By the way Lita, I don't mean to sound so confrontational. I can accept that we have different views on this point.
And bringing that up...Bush did drugs before he was president too. He was also arrested for drunk driving before he was president. Lots of people did such things in their past. That is an irrelevant argument; even bringing up Limbaugh's past is irrelevant to the argument.
Thanks for that insightful opinion. But I do have to disagree. It is relevant, it some of us.
But don't get me wrong...I still consider Limbaugh "a big, fat idiot"
Hey, he's not so fat anymore. He's lost 62lbs in the last few months. And I'd hardly call him an idiot.
As far as him being a drug addict, he only became an addict after he was caught. I wonder how many other celebrities claim addiction after they are caught.
Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with half the stuff he spews but there is quite a bit that I tend to agree with.
The point wiht Obama dictating GM policies and deciding which executives can and cannot take bonuses is absolutely within his power, or at least the federal governments power, the day they took taxpayer bailout money. If We The People are paying for it then the representatives of We The People get to make the hard decisions.
"I seriously don't think that I'd take the time to research each candidate as diligently as I did. No. Why? Simply because I want nothing to do with Rush."
Notice the quoted material here. I think that states that because RK finds Limbaugh SO distasteful--he is such a bad advertisement for the Republican party--that he took the time to actually RESEARCH very much the issues and the stances of the candidates. Leading him to vote for Obama and away from what the Right has become.
I'm beginning to think, a), you are a guy with an agenda with pretty girl avatar so that you get clicks to your material, or b) they send all rightists to cookie-cutter views school where they teach you to love stupid things that are an anathema to your actual benefit and position--or any intelligent thought whatsoever.
I'm not saying don't be a conservative. I'm saying be a smart one. Because your stances and your party as I see them here (many see them) will NOT survive into the future. Those with more measured responses (ie, Colin Powell, Andrew Sullivan) and their obvious appeals to reason WILL survive and be the leaders of the party when it is resurrected. Reason, intelligence and decency are always respected--across party lines.
and lita notice her "Not so much because I agree along party lines. But more so because I absolutely disagree with Rush and his hate, war mongering selfishness" That is what i am talking about...one man pushes you away from party lines...not good. He never stated that he researched obama...but he stated that it with his principls.
haha and lita since you know everything...I am a girl with a canadian friend and i am beginning to think you can't accept the fact that i don't agree with you. I am not a complete right wing conservatist, but I don't agree with Obama and his policies. Does that make me a horrible person? NO...does it make you a horrible person that you don't agree with Bush policies? No...the great thing about America is we have freedom of speech...you have your opinion and I have mine...and My opinion is I don't agree with Obama and his political party policies
Show me 1 post where Lita claims to know everything? 1 post! You need to quit making up shit, to make a person look bad, just so you can appear to be "witty" to the rest of us. Lita never said anything about knowing everything. She brought forth some strong opinions. Maybe YOU are the one who can't handled them or answer them constructively. Show some brains next time.
Did I ever say you were a 'horrible person?' Nope. Probably just a very uniformed one. More likely, one with an agenda. I accept the fact that others disagree with me--absolutely. Constantly reiterating 'this is America,' is a very lame defense. You need much better tactics....ie, this does not work with all users and is pretty primitive.
Some opinions are more well considered than others. Just a fact. Doesn't mean somebody 'knows everything.' Might mean somebody knows more than you do--at least, in my opinion, by what is being portrayed here. And yes, thank God it is America, where freedom of information and a free press reign.
And yeah, I think RK is right. You cannot answer constructively--either for your agenda politically, or your agenda at hubpages.
Haha my agenda...yeah because i am just that important..and i am going to convert everyone into right wing activists haha...look i had my opinion about obama you disagreed. Where I get my information obviously isn't the same place as you get yours...so uninformed no? Hardly...I am pretty well informed on alot of things...I will admit not everything. I am not pro Rush, like someone else said...Obama's policies will affect my life...so of course i care more about them...
Well rk, ok so lita thinks she knows me though we have never met...what is this called so i can use the correct term next time
Oh my,my,my. Ah, no. Don't believe she ever said that either. Still can't find that 1 post, now can you?
haha yeah definitely can but it isn't even worth it...I didn't come here to fight with you guys and I don't have an agenda for anything...I came here to express my opinion and that is it... So I am leaving this post before we start to verbally rip each other apart even more ...but maybe next time if we meet in another hub it will be on better terms...
Oh, I would never pretend to know anyone I have never met. And not once did I say in any context (except for those who would read it that way) that I 'know' you.
I said you had an agenda. Maybe you are pro-Israeli (?)
And you sure are active in getting those 'differing' opinions out there. When it comes down to it, though, you're probably just another, what is the term (?)--Ditto Head Rush supporter. Hey....you know I said I completely support the fact the right sooooo loves and believes Rush to be on the same level as Obama. All--or most of the (cynical) Dems do. I applaud your choice and your opinion! Continue.
And, just to make ammends-- Your hair is really very pretty. Color almost red-gold.
No doubt, Obama is an elequent speaker when he has a speech prepared for him, but off the cuff Rush would win. As MIJ stated Rush needs no teleprompter. And I don't think his radio career is going to end anytime soon seeing that its the most popular radio talk show in US history.
I think most people are centrist anyway and are going to be critical of both sides. This country has been heading to the left for the past 16 years and Obama is going to take us even further. I for one don't want more socialist medicine here, we alreayd have medicare and medicaid and VA healthcare. There is too much wrong with socialized medicine. I hear in Great Britain that after the age of 59 they wont pay for stints or bypass surgeries because the Govt. thinks its a waste of money. That could just be rumor, I never followed up on it, but it's scarry enough to tell me that's the direction socialized medicine will go if it comes here. Do we really want some bureaucrat to decide what medical treatment we can and cannot have?
Sorry for the rant.
No the rant is great...socialized medicine is scary. One of my best friends lives in Canada and she has told me horror stories about medicine there. Half their pay check goes to socialized medicine. She says the doctors spends no time with you... they don't diagnose you. You hardly can get a good doctor. Why? Because why do good in med school if you are going to get paid the same as some one who walked off the street. It is FREAKING scary!
That is not true. Half of your paycheck does not go to medicine. I'd say $30 a month...plus $300 a year off income tax...that is all. You choose your own doctor, you get the treatment you need. It can take a while to get a doctor but in the meantime there are very good walk in clinics. I'm tired of all the horror stories about Canadian medicine... They are nothing but stories. Yes, things happen...but things happen and mistakes are made in US hospitals too. If I had lived in the US when I had breast cancer I would not have been able to afford the treatment I got.
I may have said half but then I gave the statistic...on average i make 200 every two weeks from my job...40 of it literally goes to social security. It isn't a story about the Canadian medicine...call it as you plse...she lives there works there and has to go to these doctors...she had to have an israel doctor fix something one screwed up in candad...so call it as you pls
You obviously do not actually KNOW any physicians or what their current status is as far as financing their education, plus malpractice insurance, etc. Doubt you even seriously know any Canadians.
With all due respect, everyone has some 'horror story.' My in-laws are Canadian and return there for medical care rather than pay an arm & a leg and then wait several hours for a disinterested and over-tired physician here in the states. Canada is really big. There are provinces, cities, and towns. Generalizing the entire health care system based on one person's story is hardly a logical argument.
I was a medic when I was in the Army and occasionally one of my duties was to work the aid station...a clinic. I would see patients and diagnose them using an algorithm in a book. It was impersonal and not completely accurate. It was the military way... I can see that happening here with socialized medicine. There will be no need for doctors spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to learn medicine when some guy like me with 8 months of training can do for a fraction of the cost.
To be honest, the more this thing gets overblown the dumber it gets.
Guy's a Republican, Obama is a Democrat.
Soooo...a Republican not liking what a Democrat does? Nothing new.
It's okay, a lot of people do...
....but consider this: the more you talk about Rushbo, the more he gets free publicity.
UW, if I request a hub on this, would you be kind enough to go in depth for me and the rest of the HP community?
Limbaugh is a radio guy. People can listen to him or not to listen to him. (I often have his program on because I like talk radio, and there are two talk programs I switch back and forth between.) I don't get people comparing him to Obama. I mean, what about a post, "Who would win in a debate - Conan O'Brien or Obama?" or "Charles Gibson versus Obama?" It happens that people listen to his show because a lot of listeners either agree with his thinking, or else just enjoy listening to talk radio (without having to agree with all or anything the host says). He's not the "leader of the Republican party".
Politicians are politicians. Radio host are show people. There's too much confusion between the two these days. Lincoln actually wrote his own speeches, and I think all presidents should do that and be allowed to do that (and be capable of doing it). As long as they're reading someone else's words from a tele-prompter, none of us has any way of knowing how skilled they'd be in a debate with Rush Limbaugh or Dora the Explorer, for that matter.
Rush would sell his mother for a headline, Obama has been Presidential everywhere he has been, offering to re-think that which has not worked in the past.
So some of you really think that Obama is going to socialize healthcare?
wow...you don't know it??? It has been all over the news...it is all ready to be approved...that is all he has talked about is socializing medicine...he said he is not happy with the modest increase in our economy so he is going to increase more stimulus spending and he said his next step is to create a socialized medicine
You can start by checking out that link I posted just above. He wants legislation that includes healthcare coverage for everyone. I think the legislation calls for different levels of pay, but I'm not certain, yet. But single payer coverage is the same as medicaid and medicare...socialized medicine.
But, I'm not asking what Obama wants to do. I'm asking why do you think it is socialize medicine? But I think I understand your position which is that health care is a privilege and not a right. Is that correct? Because either it is or either its not. And that is usually where the dividing ground starts.
That is the debate. Is health care a human right? If you say yes then what else is a human right? Do we have a right to food? Food is more important than healthcare. Would I have a right not to accept healthcare? Not if it's mandated. I don't think nationalizing healthcare is going to solve our problems, attaking the rising costs of health care will. Attacking the problems of poverty, obesity, and managing chronic illnesses are where we should be concentrating. Forcing you to pay for my diabetic treatments while I go get me a dozen glazed Krispy Kreams, wouldn't be fair to you, would it?
You know I wrote a hub on this topic. I'm not sure where I stand. I know that I'm not as passionate about the subject matter as you are, and I'm still quite open about it. I really just don't know. This subject matter is something that I have a hard time separating from. Is it a basic right? I don't know. Is it a privilege? Again I don't know. Is Rush Limbaugh a talk show host turn mad hatter? Yes, this I do know.
Accept that we don't agree on everything (who does?) The mark of an honest person and good debater...thanks! You actually made me feel better...
Well, really, even as it stands now--medicaid and medicare are actually PRIVATIZED. Maybe you don't know that until you end up working for the government in some way. IE, I worked for a company called NCS, a private company contracted by the government to provide information/assistance for Medicare.
Bingo. It's a complicated web been woven. The word 'socialized' is being used by a certain constituency to influence viewpoints and stir up the right and induce fear in some.
I might concede that medicaid/medicare is partially privatized in its administration and distributions, but funded through our tax dollars. Roughly 20% of our income tax goes to pay for federally funded health care programs. I'll also admit that after reading the transcript of a speech Obama made today on the subject that his health plan is not as bad as I earlier believed. In fact, it's a very lofty goal. He claims it's not socialized medicine, but I can't demrcate his explanation partially privatized and partially subsidized. I like how he demonstrates that the way the system is set up now, it incentivizes health care providers to run up the costs. Anyway, I know our system is broken and needs reform. I'm just going to be very critical of anything the government wants to take control of because I don't think that's the responsibility of the government and goes against everything I have ever learned about living in a free-market society. (which isn't so free) The speech he gave in Green Bay, Wisconsin, today 6/11/09 can be found here: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washing … y-wis.html
Ultimately, I think we need to separate our beliefs in a free market society from the responsibilities of governing. And the perspective I come from is that health care ultimately is a human right--as are shelter, food, etc. At a minimal level. And that we have an ethical responsibility to take care of the most vulnerable (which could be anybody at anytime just given the circumstances) in our society.
We could argue the means and levels, but that is basically it. And I don't think that disturbs a free market society much at all... I think the two ideas can live side by side. I think there is a lot of misinformation out there being generated by certain interests--one of the largest offenders being Rightist media personalities, like Limbaugh, sucking off people's underlying fears to make himself a great, fat rich tick. Which is why I find him so deplorable.
You can always tell a great leader by how polarizing they are.
Obama tries so hard not to make anyone mad. He tries to please everyone. I personally don't think he's a bad guy or a good guy for that matter. I think of him as lukewarm just like every other politician out there. Unfortunately, This is what wins an election and unfortunately we never had any other options in this election. Lukewarm republicans or lukewarm democrats... they're still lukewarm, unclear, vague, white liars (or outright liars)
Limbaugh stands on clear clear principles (whether you like them or not) and says what he thinks with no regard for what people think of him. He is absolutely polarizing and absolutely uncompromising. This is what wins in a capitalist economy and if someone were to run who was as polarizing as he is I would vote for him or her regardless of their political opinions. I'd just be happy to see a real leader.
Limbaugh wins the debate because he won't try to make Obama like him. Obama loses because he'll spend his time trying to get Limbaugh to think he's a great guy.
I was quoting the title of a book... He may have lost weight, that doesn't change my opinion of him
Let's see, what are my thoughts on Rush Limbaugh and President Obama : First, let's put them in proper context about who they are and what they do. Rush Limbaugh is a conservative radio talk show host for 20 + years and has a very sizable listening audience. He and others such as Shawn Hannidy, Mark Levin to name 2, are on the air in order to counter balance the major news networks that for the past half century cover politics in a left of center methodology that prompted people with conservative political principles to seek their news elsewhere. The comparitively new FOX News network tilts the balance of televised news towards the center or right to center. Rush Limbaugh is a combination entertainer and editorial commentator. While many dismiss his diatribes across the AM wave lengths as irrelevant, I believe that he is very relevant as over 20 million folks listen to him on a regular basis. For 3 hours each day, he rants, he informs, he humors and he is profound. Whenever he says something profound or what may be taken out of context as hateful, the major news networks are on it like flies upon freshly plopped dung. They'll play a 30 second sound bite of something Mr. Limbaugh said, and have 4 talking heads sit around and talk about it for 20 minutes. Thus the ABC's the CBS's the NBC's and the CNN's see him as relevant, and as a threat to their weakening power of deciding what news they want you to know and what news they don't want you to know. My thoughts on President Obama in my next post.
To wrap up what I feel about Rush Limbaugh personally, philosophically and his importance. Upon the fist point, I do not know him personally, but he seems to be an affable gent ; philosophically, as a moderate with conservative leaning principles, I agree with a great degree of the news commentary that
he speaks of on a daily basis while at times like a crazy lovable uncle to coin a phrase from Obama in reference to Reverend Wright, Rush Limbaugh will say something that makes me wince or squirm momentarily. And as far as his relevance, agree with him or not, he is quite relevant, as he speaks for a conservative movement that although is weakened now cannot be ignored.
Now...my thoughts of President Obama : Unlike Rush Limbaugh, I do
not know as much about our new President. In the Senate he did not co-sponsor or sponsor any meaningful bills. He wrote 2 books, made some very moving speeches, served a little over 2 years in the Senate and now he is our President. I consider Obama as the right place right time guy, who has seen opportunities and taken them. He is intelligent, and seems like a down to earth family man. His vision for America is very ambitious and probably in his heart genuinely hopeful of success. In almost 6 months since taking office, his administration has led us from an economic downturn towards an uncertain future. By having government takeover of GM and proposing a budget that puts our debt at nearly 2 trillion dollars, and having a foreign policy that leans toward appeasement and understanding of our adversaries abroad, in my opinion gives comfort to those that wish us harm. I am hopeful that our new President will come to an understanding that not everyone is going to like us, but have to respect us. I am less certain that the economy will be successful with the agenda that president Obama is pursuing.
Rush is a classic political shock jock. He will say things in the strongest terms possible in order to get a reaction. He has no real idea of proper way of doing anything. I would think solid conservatives like Pat Buchanan would find him useful at times, but not of great value.
To me our President is one of the most honorable men to hold the office. I believe he is honest and is doing his best for the good of the people. He does need help. He doesn't have vast experience but I do believe he is the man that we need now.
What makes one honorable? deeds that are worthy of our approval?
Being totally honest? I would say our new President falls short on both. Not to say that Obama is dishonest, or a man whose agenda will eventually precipitate an outcome that is positive, thus worthy of our gratitude. In my opinion,at the very least the jury is still out on our new President. In my opinion he is a pragmatist that calculates each speech in order to pander to whatever audience is in front of him. His actions thus far, have not been honorable, but politics as usual. George Washington was honorable. John Quincy Adams, James Madison, James Knox Polk, Rutherford Hayes, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Harry Truman, Ronald Reagan. These men were honorable because they maintained integrity and no compromise of principles, whether it was against the tide of public opinion or not.
Rush would get chewed up and be spat out for cockroach leftovers. Rush has nothing at stake, so of course he can say more off the cuff. This makes him more honest? One day if he ever gets some guts, wait, I mean metaphoric guts, he would throw his hat into the political arena and put his verbosity up to public challenge. He is nothing but a sideline reporter eating hot dogs and taking pleasure in leading the dumb sheep to the bank where he can cash in on their stupidity.
He is only important to dumb American sheep. Otherwise, all hot air.
One of his claims to fame was calling Chelsea Clinton the family dog...
Rush drives the Progressives (nee Liberals) crazy because he has a huge audience and he's able to stay on the air while their liberal radio network crashed and burned shortly after takeoff. They lie awake gnashing their teeth, writhing in agony because someone who doesn't think like them is successful.
As I said, keep on posting this kind of stuff and believing all these stupid things. More decent conservatives are becoming democrats every minute you spew...
And I'm glad I don't weigh 300 lbs, never graduated college, and was a drug addict, yes. Frankly, I try not to think of Rush, cuz the vision is horrible. lol
So instead of addressing his points, you dismiss his pov and then focus on personal issues. Yeah, that's constructive...
TK- Do you have any friends in the real world or are you some bitter bald bastard who can't get his dick up? You seem to be desperately trying to prove that which you are not.
So TK, are you into Rush or not? Is he worth being into? Sufi, what can you tell me about Rush? Does he have a hot bod like yours and does he eat prawns? GT, thought it was Aussie or Kiwi sheep, don't the Americans have prairie dogs or something like that?
Don't know a lot about him, to be honest - I don't get the US news any more, and my dial-up is too slow for youtube. Give him his due, he seems to spark intense debate
Americans do have prairie dogs that a guy like Rush eats as appetizers.
and is a prairie dog a kind of a dog or a kind of a rat. Maybe we can call him Rush the Ratcatcher then. Think I'd only heard of a Geoffrey Rush before.
I would say a prairie dog is more of a rat. Limbaugh is part of the political machine here that works on brainwashing the right wing of the country from anything progressive.
Then if nobody likes him, why are you all arguing on a hub about him? You don't like him TK, GT can't stand him and Sufi doesn't even know who he is? I've never heard of him, so what are we doing here?
I totally agree with Lita, go get em girl I got your back
Okay, okay, okay, says she, separating the men with the sweat trickling down their muscular chests, and her bosoms heaving with the effort. What are we actually arguing about here that you guys are sniping at each other like roosters in a cock fight?
It's apparently just how tk operates on a lot of threads. He either takes his politics very seriously or else just comes into each thread "swinging".
I've been in the chocomasturbachronic forum for awhile. What'd I miss over here?
Ron, apparently two solid days of a Rush Limbaugh/Obama face-off or sorts. People can think what they like about Limbaugh, he apparently gets ratings on here too.
Exploiting the irrational fears of the dim witted has always been profitable. I have to admit to occassionally tuning in myself just to get a chuckle. His "serious reflections" are amusing for awhile, but then I have to face the sad reality that millions of people actually take him seriously...That's when I have to change the station.
Let's be clear. Rush lies. Many of his lies have been proven as such. I'm not talking about misstatements which he goes back and admits his mistake, but straight up, forked-tongued untruths. If I can fabricate well enough, I can make anyone believe what it is I have to say. This coupled with the fact that he sensationalizes his own paranoia and xenophobia, while at the same time praising himself as a the humble patriot just speaking the truth makes him wholly unreliable in any debate setting.
Frankly, I believe that as long as the debate remained one of issues, Obama would win the debate.
I also believe that though Obama would win, Rush would throw much in the way of alarmist rhetoric and personal attacks into the fray in order create chaos. This is his tactic and he uses it well. Obama would have to stay on topic, stay calm and measured as opposed to Rush's frenzied, polarizing rants that cater to people's fear and hate, and he would pull it out.
I also believe that many choose to mischaracterize Obama as it suits their point at that moment. When he judges each word and speaks carefully and in moderate tones, many say he is struggling to find his points and doesn't know what to say. When Obama speaks emotionally, and moves people, he is dismissed as disingenuous and accused giving of flowery, but unsubstantative speeches.
After some more thought I was moved to post again here.
In spite of my having already weighed in on this subject above, I have to say that I resent on many levels the politicization of someone like Rush Limbaugh as though he is an authority of some sort. I take particular issue with a comparison of him to a president or any duly elected official (despite all the media soundbytes which suggest that he is the "voice of the Republican Party") as this only serves his claims of somehow speaking for the masses.
He is not even a journalist. He is a commentator...and a sensationalist to boot.
This means that whatever he says is an opinion and cannot be relied upon as factual. There is no keeping him in check to represent anything besides his opinion and he can do so all day long while wielding like 'Excalibur' his right to free speech at whosoever dares to so much as critique him. Those who do indeed critique him are berated as people who must hate America to differ with what he says. Rush doesn't speak for me and I pity anyone who is proud to proclaim that he does.
He speaks for himself and his ratings. He must be as entertaining to his audience as possible, and if that means to go from talking about a train wreck to actually being that train wreck...well...Rush has proven that he will do it.
To compare him to a U.S. President is a bit insulting, to be honest.
Thank you! It's hugely insulting. I don't care WHAT side of the aisle you are on. (It's actually almost obscene when it comes down to it...) But let them to their folly. Maybe a different Republican party will result from the destruction of themselves.
Limbaugh is a nut case. Holy cow he isn't even in the league of President Obama. What kind of stupid comparison is this? At least compare with Bush Jr who was ex President.
Are you serious? Not being rude, just wondering if this is meant as an honest-to-goodness inquiry. I mean, really. Limbaugh? The dude is a drug-addled blowhard. Whether you agree with either guy is irrelevant - If Obama were allowed to get a word in edgewise in this hypothetical debate, he'd make Rush look like the pompous windbag that he is.
Obama's drug useage is conveniently overlooked.
I think Limbaugh may blow him over with his inane ranting, and Obama would remain calm and cool. This would further tick off Barack's haters who criticize him whether he says too much, too little, is too vague, too descriptive - he can't win with the ones who are already embittered for whatever reasons.
He inherited a whole heap of sh*t. If Limbaugh could have handled it so well, why hasn't he thrown his hat into the political ring. Nah, he'd rather sit back and snipe at those who are actually DOING something.
Limbaugh's job is to get and keep the largest audience possible. That's all. He's the first person to admit such and he's said it numerous times on his show. And he's done an amazing job of doing his job, whether you agree with him or not.
Now, some people just cannot tell the difference between entertainment and information. I'm giving these people the benefit of the doubt; perhaps they just want someone to mindlessly hate and Rush presents an all too easy target.
Rush provides both entertainment and information. Good grief, he talks for 3 hours a day 5 days a week. Taken out of context, it's easy to frame his entertainment segments as information, then it's an quick jump to hating him for it.
It's not his fault that the Republican party is so discombobulated that he's become a titular leader. He didn't campaign for it.
Could he do a better job than Obama? In my opinion, without a doubt he'd be a better president. At least he's honest. We know much more about his background than we do about Obama. I'd vote for him over Obama, McCain, Gingrich, Huckabee, Gore, Barr, Portman, Powell, and Pelosi.
Hmmmm, true that he is merely an entertainer and his iconic status in the Republican party speaks volumes of how far they have fallen. (Today's republicans have shifted far from being truly conservative and state-oriented as they once were.)
As far as us knowing more about his background than we do about Obama's, I'm not sure what you're basing that on. This old one has come up again and again - since the Dem primaries - and yet nobody can put their finger on exactly which information is 'missing.'
What do you want to know about Obama that isn't public knowledge? Seriously? How is he secretive?
Ah, well, I suspect one who thinks Limbaugh would be a better leader than our current one is never going to agree with the likes of me.
At least we can keep civil in the forums. There, I hope to follow Obama's example. Regardless of political opinions, the guy is diplomatic and doesn't attack others personally.
His medical records are missing:
His college transcripts and LSAT scores are missing:
Yes, we can disagree without becoming disagreeable. I tip my hat to you on that.
However, Obama has become the poster child for class warfare, so please set your sights higher! Bush was much more civil during his time in office.
What medical info is unreleased? (And as an aside, how is it relevant?)
So, he graduated from college and received his degree. I didn't know that we really needed his scores...?! I guess I'm dense because I'm still not understanding what vital information is being supposedly held from the public. I won't even go into ol' George Jr.'s college..uh...career.
And, on your last point - we are just going to have to disagree there because I don't think debating points of logic with eachother is going to change either mind, eh? If condescending patronizing awkwardness is civility, then Bush had oodles of it. lol
His medical history is relevant because when I vote for the next leader of the free world I want to know if the docs think he's healthy. It was extremely relevant for McCain and Dole. The media pounded them over it.
His grades and test scores are relevant because when I vote for the next leader of the free world I want to know where he stands in relation to other scholars of his time. It's fascinating that you pooh pooh my interest in Obama's scholarship but at the same time you denigrate Bush's graduate degree from an Ivy League school. Evidently Bush's GPA mattered to you, right? You can't have it both ways. Either it matters for both men or it doesn't.
You don't get to be editor of a prestigious law review without having the grades. FYI, unless you are a legacy brat attending school, your grades in graduate school have to be at least at a B level, or they will kick you out.
Perhaps you should read his books. That's usually an achievement BEYOND grades and test scores and can give an estimation of the level of scholarship, academic and intelligence level....many professors have not achieved such things (and Obama was a professor of law at the University of Chicago).
But like I said, keep at, keep at, keep at it. With all your irrational beliefs you will see yourselves buried. I applaud you and think everything you guys want to say is great!
Touchy-feely liberalism. Everyone gets a cookie!
I can't find any record of Bush being a legacy at Harvard, where he got his MBA. It is odd to me that he even got admitted, since his undergrad GPA was only a solid C.
Uh Oh. Rush has also written books. That must truly gall you. I don't care if you read them or not. Do you give him credit for "achievement beyond grades and test scores"? I don't. Anyone can get a book deal.
I still get a trophy, right?
Just for your info, W's grades were higher than your party's war hero John Kerry. I know the libs hate to admit it but W 's policies, like them or not, kept this country from being hit again. We'll see if the community organizer can claim the same. I pray he can, unlike the libs I won't root against a president of our country. Doesn't the press coferences remind you so much of the ones they had with W? Lete's see, with W it was, Mr. President, what are you most ashamed of?. With Obama, hows the garden coming Mr. President? Can I run and get a burger for you and the staff? So much similarity. Glad to see he kept his promise of bringing the boys home too. Let's see we're up to 35,000 in Afghanastan now, maybe he meant the boys from Gitmo. In the words of Clint in High Plains Drifter, "welcome home boys."
The Shark----taking a bite out of liberalism
Compare Charlie Gibson's condescending interview of Sarah Palin and his fawning kissy fest with Obama. Unbiased?
No, Obama said all along he thought we should be focusing on Afghanistan more. Bush jr never even left Texas, and Kerry served in Vietnam. Really, that is funny logic. Kerry was an actual war hero, and Bush stayed safe and sound. Also, I am sure any president in office would have done a good job of keeping America safe after the attacks. Other countries have implemented safety measures against terrorism, and Bush was not their president.
RooBee- Seriously did you think you could change the opinion of a person who feels this way "Could he do a better job than Obama? In my opinion, without a doubt he'd be a better president."
Anybody who is so sure "without a doubt" either thinks too high of that guy and/or too low of Obama. Anyway good luck with your pursuits.
Ouch! Why are you so unhappy? The Liberals' Curse.
I never said that I am unhappy. And what exactly do you mean by "Liberals' Curse"?
Just a stereotype, CW, by someone who enjoys Limbaugh--Limbaugh who makes his living off of stereotypes and hate mongering.
I am not sure if more people subscribe to his views. Lita, I have a quick question: If he is really that good a presidential material(as per nicomp) than do you think republican party would consider him for next presidential primaries?
No, CW. This is not really a post for/by any one of serious mind. But there is a contingent of idiots/neocons who actually do believe he is leadership material.
The only reason to post against it is because his hate mongering (and that of others') has stirred up right wing 'terror' groups and fanatics, such as the man who killed Dr. Tiller and the man who killed the body guard at the Jewish museum.
And like I say, the further they take this circus, the more they damage themselves. It is not just me saying it, but many of our best thinkers--people writing on the major political blogs--Politico, in the Atlantic, The New Yorker, etc.
Thanks, CW.. You are always so decent... (That TK person is following again and I'm just thinking of bailing on these forums...I just found out online my friend--who was homeless in NYC--died.. Sorta weird/we were friends a long time ago, but still...)
He obviously can't win. He'd be a terrible candidate. He's spent too much time in the public eye telling the truth and also providing entertainment. As I said earlier, Liberals/Progressives can't discern the difference and prefer to attack the messenger. That allows them to ignore the problems they are causing.
Nicomp- Earlier you said "Could he do a better job than Obama? In my opinion, without a doubt he'd be a better president." So what you are trying to say is that Rush will not win but if he wins then he would be a better President. I mean if someone can't win in the first place then how can someone ever be a better President?
The original question was "Who would do a better job?", I think. I assumed that electability wasn't an issue. All my favorite candidates are not electable. Perhaps I'm just an eternal optimist.
I'm still mildly shocked that someone so unqualified as Obama managed to win. Somehow he defeated Hilary in the Liberal/Progressive/Democratic primaries, then somehow he defeated McCain, who pretty much gave up during the campaign anyway. I have to think that he won primarily because Bush alienated the conservative base and McCain couldn't win them back. He was the lesser of two evils.
I think he's referring to the fact that promoting a liberal agenda often relies upon pointing out how terrible everything is.
So you mean liberals tend to paint a gloomy pessimistic picture. I guess I prefer mostly to have a realistic picture. Neither too optimistic nor pessimistic just realistic would do. One is setting up for disappointment if one tends to see the world in rose tinted glasses.
If you think about it, if you are trying to sell people on making changes you've got to convince them that things are so bad now that they must support your new way. Saying you're just being realistic is just another way of saying yes, things are 'really' so bad that we simply must change them.
President Obama has been given the mandate by the people now. Let history be the judge whether Obama was right or not.
Is that what you said when Bush was elected?
Folks will spin and twist and make any leap or hold however many different standards they need to support their own political bias. Funny.
Lita- Oh NO. That is so sad to hear. I hope somebody does care for those who are even homeless. Is anybody attending the funeral? May the soul rest in peace. I understand take rest now.
Rush would win all the way. Rush has the brains, obama has the stupid telepromter telling him what to say
Hahahahahahahahaha whoa...whew..hahahahahahahahahahaha..good one!!
If the Republican party indeed consider him so smart and happen to give him a chance by next elections then we will know. Have a good day.
I concur, CW, your reply is much better than mine. I should take a lesson from you.
Have a wonderful day everyone!!!!
Obama is very intelligent, and not the only president who has ever used a teleprompter. It is very ridiculous to make such blanket terms, and way too opinionated, even for many Republicans I have talked too. Also, he is acting like a middle age rock star wearing an open shirt, and not much like a person interested in office. Rush is basically an entertainer that loves to get people riled up. Either you love him or find him annoying, and I am of the latter group.
Honestly, I have no idea if he is intelligent or not. The facts are: he went to an Ivy League grad school and so did Bush. They both graduated. Bush had a C average as an undergrad at another Ivy League school. I don't know what Bush's grades were in grad school. Obama's transcripts as a grad student or undergrad student have not been released.
Those are the facts and they are not in dispute. The subjective evidence indicates that Bush was portrayed in the media as a bufoon and Obama is assumed to be hyper-intelligent. Subjectively, in my opinion, neither of them speaks well without a teleprompter. Obama pauses at inconvenient times and pepper his sentences with "uh". Bush mispronounced words with uncomfortable regularity.
In my opinion it's hypocritical of the Liberal/Progressives to assume Obama is uber-intelligent and label Bush as ignorant when both have about the same level of education and we have no idea as to the level of Obama's scholarship. And yes, I know Obama was editor of the Law Review, however there seems to be precious little of his writing floating around.
If you want a good intelligent talker, sit down with Joe Biden for an hour or three. He has the gift of gab and he knows how to use it. His opinions are Progressive/Liberal and therefore misguided, in my opinion, but he can spin a yarn and make a point as well as Rush Limbaugh any day of the week.
Thats all obama does is talk off the teleprompter
All presidents since the end of World War II have utilized the teleprompter. Just because someone says everything that pops in their head does not make them come across as intelligent, and this might be why Rush had a tendency to offend some people. Laringo made a few good points about this at the beginning of this thread.
Unfortunately under Republican administrations bureaucracy has not become smaller, and this party is slowly fading into the sunset. The tactics used to presuade people accept their way of thinking are confrontational also, which is not helping.
There is nothing wrong with using a teleprompter (though he does seem unusually dependent on it), but when you (in general - not YOU) go on and on about what a brilliant speaker he is and he can't produce great oratory without it, something is wrong. Don't hail him as some great speaker when what he is is a well practiced reader. There is value in that too, but there's a difference.
All great speakers take notes, which many of them read from. I find your disparaging of Obama to be insulting, and you know not once have I mocked Bush. However, presidents have speech writers, and even Republicans use these. I did not find Bush to be as good of a speaker as Obama, but I do not play the game of insulting people. I think you are thinking about someone else.
I have not disparaged the president, and why would it insult you if I did?
No one, including Bush himself, ever claimed he was a great speaker so I don't know why you would bring that up.
You constantly refer to it on the forums. The other day you and several conservatives were insulted by Letterman's words, so if you are insulted by that, do not be surprised if others are insulted by other things.
How people are too hard on Bush regarding his speaking skills.
Never have I defended Bush's speaking skills, and niether has he as far as I know. I have complained about hypocrisy, double standards, and blatant political bias masquerading as 'enlightened thinking' but I have never tried to portray the former president as some great speaker. The current president isn't either, though he's a mighty fine reader/performer.
I never said I was personally insulted by them. I did find them offensive. Mr. L himself admitted that they were. I would expect you as a woman might take some personal insult in them, but I guess that's up to you.
All I am saying is different people find different things offensive. Crude jokes on the part of a comedian are part of the territory, and I can watch those shows without thinking too much of them. Of course the better comedians like Jay Leno, who I miss, never had to resort to those type of tactics. Every president since World War II has recited speeches off the teleprompter, so people arguing about this, really what is the point? Even CEO's and other personalities read speeches that are not necessarily written by them, which is why people hire speech writers.
Leno was funny when he was a poor stand up guy doing the bar and college circuit, but on the Tonight Show he was not funny. He was 'won't embarrass your grandma to watch' pleasant and he was not offensive, but not really funny. Now, Conan is funny (sometimes).
Leno was always funny when I watched him, but once again comedy is all about personal opinion. Remember Full House? Bob Saget has such a crude comedy act, which is the antithesis of that show. Honestly I do not think he is funny, but I am not offended by his crude jokes either.
I did mention that I was not talking about YOU personally.
Well your a died in the wool Republican John, if its not the teleprompter you would say Pres.Obama wasnt wearing a USA pin ,lol
Are you looking into obtaining dual citzenship CW? That way you can participate in the next election perhaps .
My husband would be a US citizen by then. I would have to wait a little longer i.e., 5 years from GC one gets the eligibility to take up US citizenship. But to answer your question: Yes, I would love to vote. Do you think Hillary would have a political future for contesting again? I somehow in my hearts wanted a woman to be the President...ah well.
I would like to see Hillary try again, but I wonder if by then she would be interested. I have a feeling that a woman president will soon be in in our future though . I am glad to hear you are you might one day be able to vote in elections here if you wish to .
SweetiePie- No points for guessing which party candidate I might vote. As of now I have strong leanings to one side.
I think I know, but do you want to share .
Some things sometimes I leave it till the last minute. You never know what last minute information can sway my decision. Anyway I will share with you my preferences in email not comfortable here yet about that....LOL
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