Why do you believe what the bible says is true?

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   jacharlessposted 12 years ago

   I saw this as a rhetorical response in another thread, and just could not resist starting a topic about it.
   
   I gather, from time well spent within several ministries, wrapped around the compilations, that perhaps the reason people can only believe what the book says is due to a genuine lack of experience. Yes, I call that experience practical faith. A genuine and true experience of what the texts mention (briefly, I might add) and the many instances, not even apart of the texts.
   I fully understand how easy it is to get caught up in the tide of memorized chapter and verse, because the texts are quite intriguing, often vivid and certainly hold the attention. In truth, the texts of science and sensation continue to grip humanity without mercy.
   
   Perhaps also the reason anti-theists (atheists) are a very much hell-bent on "calling the text-worshipers out". But they too lack that genuine experience.
   Could it be the reason they now cling to other texts, prophets and mechanics?
   
   Is it logical to assume then, both sides of this belief-in-a-book-system can join forces and seek out this practical experience, to prove the case and dissolve the gorge that greatly divides them? Wouldn't it make more sense to be a united front for Truth?
   
   Your thoughts...
   
   James.

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      Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I don't see how there could be a united front for truth. Neither hard core theists or atheists are searching for it. They swear they've already found it.

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         Eric Newlandposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Plus nothing breeds solidarity like good ol' "us vs. them."

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            Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            There's that too, definitely.

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            A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Perhaps, you could explain why believers prefer to have people divided to create their solidarity?

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         jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Can't argue with that. lol

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         A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Is there no truth in science?

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            Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Of course there is. But, that has to do with our understanding of the physical world. You don't recognize the possibility of the spiritual, so you probably don't understand where James was going with this.

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               mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I have an understanding of my center, the whole is not to be found in religion but in the folds of the self. That's how it is for me, but I can't say this for anyone else. As individuals, we generally choose to follow a conditioned path or one that suits an attitude.

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               A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, I recognize the possibility of a great many things, however when there is no shred of evidence whatsoever for such things, then where can one possibly gain any understanding of it?

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                  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Leave me alone ATM. I'm not in the mood for your games today. Your whole post contradicts itself. If you recognize the possibilities of something, then you can't automatically claim it is completely impossible to ever gain an understanding. If you aren't searching (as is your disposition) of course you will never be in a position to find anything out. One has to search 'with eyes wide open' in order to hope that one will find something that will ultimately be proven to have some substance.
                  
                  Out of curiosity; when was the idea of the atom first written about? How many centuries was it until we had proof that an atom existed?

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                     A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     WHAT? You're the one following me around repeating the word 'asinine' like some pirate parrot.
                     
                     
                     
                     That makes no sense at all. You need evidence to gain understanding.
                     
                     
                     
                     "Eyes wide open" is nothing without evidence.
                     
                     
                     
                     What does that have to do with anything? Strawman.

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                        Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        A pirate parrot??? I enjoyed that one immensely.
                        
                        Look, I realize you will simply poo poo this observation, but there are those of is who believe that, perhaps, there is more to life than meets the eye.
                        
                        Sue me for being interested in listening to others and trying to find a unifying thread of truth. But, be ye warned. Parrots don't care what atheists think anyway.

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                           A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Yes, I know, and that belief has failed miserably for many centuries and continues to fail and do little more than cause conflicts. Your observation doesn't deserve poo poo as it is entirely a moot point.

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                              Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Failed miserably for centuries?
                              
                              Listening to others is a failure? Listening to others causes conflict?
                              
                              
                              
                              Kudos on spelling moot correctly, though. The number of people who type mute instead is mind boggling.

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                                 A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 Yes, exactly. And, unless you can give an example of anyone throughout history that has ever discovered something that is "more to life than meets the eye" then you have absolutely no argument.

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                                    Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    ATM. To parrot another pirate, I'll simply say I'm not sticking my nose in your rat hole. In every conversation we have had, you summarily dismiss anything that doesn't support your argument.
                                    
                                    Why in the world would I waste energy on trying to convince you to agree with me? It doesn't make a difference to me one way or the other what you think of me, or my opinion. It's my opinion. Not yours.
                                    
                                    So, until the moment comes that one of us has proof positive to substantiate our conclusions (yours apparently firmly held...mine open to new information) we are dealing in opinions. Does it bother you so very much that I'm not willing to revamp mine to be a mirror image of yours?

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                                       A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       So, you have absolutely nothing to offer in regards to what has been provided that is "more to life than meets the eye" - you could have just said so rather than beating around the bush.

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                                          Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                          I have nothing that will suit your fancy. But, I didn't offer to attempt to enlighten you. I'm not so egotistical as to think I could.  Unlike you though, I don't think the world is full of delusional liars. People have felt things that interest me. That's why I'm here. I'm interested. Why are you here?

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                                             A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                             So, nothing at all then, just wishful thinking. Okay.

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                                                Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                                If that makes you happy....sure. It's all wishful thinking.

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      mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Since I posted the question, I thought I'd elaborate on my stance... How, if one is to disaprove of any adverse knowledge, wrong fro doing so? How is it, tha a book written by men, the authority on God? How is any one person as such?

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      twosheds1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Could you elaborate on what you mean by "genuine experience?"

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         jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Should it need elaboration, then my estimation is spot-on.

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   Cagsilposted 12 years ago

   In my experience, it has come to my attention that there are more liars than honest people in the world today. And if we take a look at history, then we will see even more liars than honest people even with past events.
   
   People who choose to lie because of their own ego and ignorance, and lack understanding of their own life, are the main problem. Those who claim life is so complex isn't speaking truth. Those who claim that no one can understand or know truth are others among those who don't speak truth either.
   
   Many of those who claim truth know nothing about truth because their own words are masked by their own ego more often than not. I'm sure these people would probably be the ones who would recognize truth when revealed, but wouldn't admit it publicly because it challenges their own comfortableness with regards to their own fears related to living life.
   
   I don't care what the bible has to say because it's a mixed up book thrown together to achieve control over a growing population which was growing so fast in awareness that it was safer to include Jesus' teachings within "religion" and create "Christianity" before anyone realized what they had done.
   
   Anyone who does enough research into the bible would know this providing they don't dismiss things which they are not comfortable with learning about.

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   Druid Dudeposted 12 years ago

   I believe that every word that has ever been written, was written by inspiration. Every word ever spoken, divine.

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      janesixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I believe that too, but im never sure whether youre joking or not

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