Could the Purge happen in real life someday?

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   Stevennix2001posted 8 years ago

   My dad and I have debated this several times, and he feels the purge can actually happen in real life, as he cites how our government passes laws all the time without us knowing it.  I tend to disagree because even if they pass certain crap through congress without our knowledge of it, I think it would be a bit extreme to think that we'd end up electing and re electing presidents and various government officials that would be OKAY with keeping a law in place that allows people to murder each other one day a year, but what do i know? 
   
   Anyways, what do you all think?  Can the purge happen?  Please discuss.

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      Titen-Sxullposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Could it happen here in the USA and in other "Western" countries? I highly doubt it. I don't think there's any evidence to suggest that one night a year of actual violent and criminal behavior is somehow cathartic enough to stamp out all violent crime for the rest of the year. Many violent crimes have monetary or moralistic motivations, such as gang violence and crimes of passion. I don't see how the purge would help there at all.
      
      While it may be a clever movie premise (hilariously parodied in the cartoon Rick and Morty) I don't see any way it could really happen here.
      
      It does sound just crazy enough that some despotic dictator in the 3rd world could propose something like it, but even that I'd say is a stretch.

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   colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

   What is the "Purge" you are talking about?
   Could you be more clear...

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      Stevennix2001posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It's basically a movie series, where one night a year, crime in the USA is legal.  Any crime ranging from rape, stealing, child molestation and even murder is legal for 12 hours one night a year.  All firemen, hospital workers and law enforcement officials are closed down during that one night a year.  The only real exception is that all high ranking politicians like the president is immune to this law, so you can't murder him.  You can't deface government property like rob a federal bank, but you can rob your neighbor's house.  You're also restricted to the type of weapons you can use like bombs are not allowed.  However most guns and stabbing weapons are OK.   
      
      The basic idea is that with the purge intact every year, it keeps the American population down, while stimulating the economy because there's less unemployment and less people relying on government handouts.    Also, the idea is that supposedly with the purge around that it offers people cathartic relief once a year, so violence throughout the rest of the year is practically nonexistent because everyone allegedly gets it out of their system one night every year.  That's the basic idea behind the premise of those horror movies.
      
      As far as this thread goes, my dad and I have talked about this a lot before, and he firmly believes the US could easily make the purge legal in the USA in the foreseeable future, as he cites how laws are passed all the time without us ever knowing about it.  I personally think that's a stretch because I can't imagine laws like that being passed without our knowledge of it, and Titen-Sxull brought up a good point that there's really no proof that having the purge would give violent people the cathartic relief they need not to commit violence throughout most of the year. 
      
      Therefore, I just want to know how many truly think the purge could happen in real life within the USA.

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         Castlepalomaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Since the Government is the largest criminal organizing in the world. It would help alot. Money and trade stocks would hit the roof. Police and politician would be on the run for their lives for a change.  Rather than our daily beatings.

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            Stevennix2001posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            From my basic understanding on how the rules work in those movies is that high ranking politicians like the President are exempt from the purge, so it's still technically illegal kill them, but killing that hobo across the street, during the purge, is considered A-OK.  But then again from watching the trailers for the new one coming out this year, it seems like one presidential candidate is on the run during the purge, so i guess they're sort of retconning that.  I'm not sure. Haven't seen the new movie yet, but it seems like if the purge was real, i think it's mostly homeless people and middle class people that can't afford as much security as rich people will probably be the ones to suffer most if the purge was real.

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               Castlepalomaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               With those rules, there would be not much change anyways.
               
               Cops only come on the spot of a crime scene 1% of the time. There is most often a crowd of caring people around a crime scenes before the cops get there.
               
               Then most often when you go to court, it's like getting punished the 2nd time.
               
               Yet if it's their non violents cash cow  happening like pot, The cops will be there in a heart beat.
               
               For authoritarian rules now kill more people in history than the public dose.
               
               So the laws on taxes and free trade don't apply that day, most of us would be much richer.

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         colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Its "Revelation of the Method" a psychological trauma programming using laws of silence.  IMHO

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         mrpopoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         "All firemen, hospital workers and law enforcement officials are closed down during that one night a year."
         
         couldn't anyone just start massive fires and destroy entire cities? That alone seems to outweigh any of the supposed benefits the purge provides.

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            colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Like Slave Lake, Alberta, Canada?

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               mrpopoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Yep, or Fort McMurray right now.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Fort McMurray will be an example for the American $ crash in big cities except for more Killing and robberies.

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            Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            If I were a complete psychopathic murderer. That is what I would do, set the city on fire, no reason at all, except pure evil.
            
            Did they allow mental hospitals and prisoner's out during this purge? If they did, this movie is really fu*ked up
            
            Hell of a way to control over population, why not just stop having babies. Make that a law.

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               AshtonFireflyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               But then we'd have no legal way to psychotically get rid of annoying people already alive. Where's the fun in that?

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                  Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  In purge they plan to kill a lot of homeless people. They say most people that are homeless are mentally ill. Seem like a :It"s cheaper to kill them plan: Their is more homeless people than public servants.
                  
                  From my 40 years of owning a business. This business success has taught me it"s about 80% to do about management.
                  
                  Why don't the public servants just commit suicide and save$ tax payers alot of money.
                  
                  On a grand scale when this unstoppable America dollar crashes soon. There will be purge in America and greater worldwide that nobody cares about because they are asleep.

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                     AshtonFireflyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     Yes I understand. It was my poor attempt at terrible humor.

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                        Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        I did'nt take you seriously.
                        
                        My daughter has really sick humor, yet hidden, she really is a sweetheart with good intentions.

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                           AshtonFireflyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           Oh good. My reputation is safe for now.

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                              Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              Lol

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   AshtonFireflyposted 7 years ago

   I really don't see how this would work.
   
   First of all, I find it difficult to believe that a law like this could really get passed in Congress without somebody at SOME point in Congress being like "what in God's name is this these people are on crack" and alerting the public before it even got passed.
   
   Secondly, even if it WERE passed, we'd then have to assume that masses of people would 1. be aware of the law WITHOUT making a riot, and then 2. be willing to actually both DO these things and 3.be without fear of getting punished for it. And the only way THAT would happen is if:
   
   Thirdly, the police force, hospital workers, and judicial system were both be aware of this law AND willing to enforce it.
   
   I find this highly doubtful.

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      Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      The authoritarian would know this would harm them more than the people, so it would not pass.
      
      No man is above me or below me. People are generally good. Murder is a mental illness and should be treated as such. Police make money on drugs and traffic ticket not robbery or murder. Only 13% of violent crime are in prison, often spouses. How else do police afford tanks, military gear, much more prison cells than colleges and school dorms.
      
      You pay half your money, so authoritarian can boss you around. Then put you and your children in debt for life. It's clear to me who the real criminals are, as 95% of crime is occupational . Give us one day without athority law on your backs and I will call it a very good day.

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      Stevennix2001posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Not to mention the fact that even if a future president tried to get something like that passed through congress on a federal level, there's no guarantee each state would abide by it.  I remember when George W. Bush went on his mission to outlaw gay marriages throughout the United States, but there were still states like California and others that legalized it anyway on a state level.  So even if something like that was passed on a federal level, I don't know if each individual state would abide by it. 
      
      Plus, there's quite a few holes in the logic that it would work because I'm assuming that cops would be given at least 30 to 20 minutes to head home before the purge started, as I can imagine local police would want their guys back home asap in order to beat the purge because even by my own father's admission (because he used to be a cop) is that most cops don't even take their police cars with them anymore because it attracts gang members to terrorize their families.  Therefore, i have to assume that the local police would probably send their guys home early before it started, so they can protect their families. 
      
      And if that's the case, then I can already see a lot of problems coming up just from that alone.  For starters, it's established in the film that the purge starts and ends at specific times in the US for one night a year.  However, if the cops are sent home early like I think they would if this were real, then what's stopping me from killing my neighbor in cold blood; literally ten minutes before the purge even begins.  What's really going to stop me from doing that?  Unless I shoot the guy in front of a camera, or someone saw me do it, then you can't legally prove I killed the guy ten minutes before murder legal.  And even if you could prove it, law enforcement will be officially down for hours.  Plenty of time for me to hijack a car and skip the country if I wanted to, and no cop would be able to stop me during the purge either.
      
      Or if I'm the leader of either Al Qaida or ISIS, then wouldn't launching a terrorist attack during the purge be perfect for me?  I mean even by the film series' own screwed up logic, law enforcement would be down during the purge, so technically if I'm a leader of a terrorist group, then there's nothing the US could do to stop me from bombing them.  That's another thing to consider if you do legalize the purge.

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         Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         I"ve talked to alot of old cops, when there was a time cops were your friend and highly respected in the community.
         Today cops do get their man, too often it"s the wrong man. It"s much more the way the system of a police state is set up to make money, not the individual cop.
         
         There is 500 citizens to every cop, we already protect ourselves much better than all public servants combined. We will find out clearly soon who protects who when the American Dollar purge crashes.

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