How to stop the rioting plaguing our cities!

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   wildernessposted 4 years ago

   It seems that Portland, Or, has finally figured out how to stop this - "defund" the police, cutting the force necessary to control such things and then refuse the designate a riot for what it is because they no longer have the force necessary to address it.
   
   https://www.redstate.com/shipwreckedcre … tVCV5b28R0
   
   It has been my gut feeling, ever since the "defund the police" rants began, that somewhere there is a well heeled player whose goal is to remove law and order from our country.  Not to address the problem of a small number of racist cops, but to remove law enforcement from the country to whatever extent they can manage.
   
   This force may be domestic, it may be foreign and could even be another country, but whatever it is the long range goal is to destroy our country.  And they are succeeding with continued, and growing, liberal efforts like this latest fiasco in Portland.  When we have "defunded" law enforcement to the point that we simply hide our face from violence and law breakers, pretending it isn't there, and it isn't politically expedient to admit that we did it to ourselves, we have a []real[/i] problem.
   
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      Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Once Trump gets re-elected, he will take action. The rioting will stop and the residents of these blue states where lawless rage is running amok will be relieved. And they will vote out their failing leaders.
      Surely.

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         wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Actually, I doubt it.  Anarchy has far too great a hold in these liberal cities, and even while homes, businesses and lives are being destroyed they still swallow the fable that law enforcement, not criminals, is the problem.

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      Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I don't care what perpetrated this or what group is promoting this carnage... BLM has clearly provided us all with their intent to cause violence in cities where they know they are supported, Dem cities ---  At this point In my view they have become terrorists causing violence, and destruction of property.
      
      We need to simply let the police do their job. These people that come out nightly in these Democratic lawless cities should be stopped. They are not protesting peacefully, they are destroying property, putting police officer as well as a citizen in danger. It is time for Trump to call these cities what they are, out of control national disasters, and put in the troops to stop this nightly violence. At this point, it is more than clear this is rioting not protesting and the local governments can not handle the jobs they were sworn to keep the peace, and the citizens safe.  My god, this is ridiculous, and this is the ideology that some Dems clearly support... This lawlessness is only being perpetrated in Dem cities. FACT

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         wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         While you and I agree here the powers that be in those cities do not, and do not care (sufficiently) that their citizens are paying a very high price - a price that will climb as people and business evacuate from the violence.
         
         I questioned the veracity of the link in the OP and went looking - the police report from PPD substantiates it completely:
         
         "While these events were happening downtown, there was a call at 12:29p.m. of a disturbance in East Portland with what was reportedly a male who assaulted his mother with a saber. This call pulled multiple police resources while it was resolved. Ultimately, it was determined the male had a "shaver" not a "saber" as had been reported via dispatch and the male was safely arrested.
         
         At one point during this call, there were only 4 available police cars in the entire City to respond to emergency calls for service. PPB had limited resources available today for the events and many of those working had worked until the early morning hours as a result of the overnight riot."
         
         "While the activity in the group met the definition of a riot, PPB did not declare one because there were not adequate police resources available to address such a declaration. PPB had roughly 30 officers available for crowd management and there were several hundred individuals associated with the events downtown."
         
         https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/n … ch=twitter
         
         Sooo...PPD has been trained to refuse to designate a riot for what it is because they don't have the resources to contain it.  Call it something else - something more politically palatable - and continue the failure to protect the citizens there.  Continue to reduce what the police can accomplish, continue to promote anarchy and lawlessness.

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            Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I would hope the Federal Government will step in soon. It almost appears Trump is purposely not getting involved due to the politics of it. Letting this continue to make a  point. That the Dem cities are out of control, and poorly managed altogether. What a price to the citizens. Although it seems they don't care or demand help?
            
            §§ 331–335; amended 2006, 2007) that empowers the President of the United States to deploy U.S. military and federalized National Guard troops within the United States in particular circumstances, such as to suppress civil disorder, insurrection, and rebellion.
            
            Something needs to be done, and soon.

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               wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               IMO that's what it's going to take; military, one way or the other, to suppress this stuff.  Liberals have, and still are, making it very, very plain that they refuse to control violence in their cities, leaving it up to the President of the country to protect the citizens there.

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                  Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  And is clear the president is letting them play out the violence. As I said the people of the cities are certainly not asking for help. In the end, it works to give us all a nice picture of Democratic logic or should I say lack of logic when it comes to keeping the peace. And we still have not heard from Joe on all the violence that's is being perpetrated in Democratic cities.  Oh, what a wonderful world ...

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                     wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     He may well be playing the waiting game.  If nothing else until it is so bad that no one could deny that real force is necessary.
                     
                     Not so sure about people not asking for help; how would we know?  Yes, we see some Blue Lives Matter, some demonstrations in favor of police, but would we ever see or hear from Democrats in charge if they heard of people asking for more police?  Would the media even mention an open letter to that effect if they got one?
                     
                     I don't thinks so.  Communication is all, and between liberal "leaders" and a far left media we will never hear.

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                        Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        I would think some local community organizations would reach out to the Media (Fox) if they wanted to get the word out or get a protest at their capital buildings. We did this in Michigan when we felt the Gov was overplaying her authority during COVID. I would also think they would use social media.
                        
                        I did see one woman on Fox from Wisconsin crying in front of her family business, but she really did not ask for any form of help. She only said her father would be sad to see the business he started destroyed. It would appear the citizens in these cities are very liberal and support this kind of violence.
                        
                        Hopefully, at some point, some of the citizens will speak up. I can't imagine watching my city to be destroyed. I just looked a bit of the carnage in Kenosha --- unbelievable. 
                        
                        Can you imagine the economic damage that will be left in these cities?

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                           wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           I can't imagine it, either, but I know a couple of relatives in Portland.  They post a stream of BLM and other videos consistently showing that police are bad, and were ecstatic when the feds backed into their building and waited.  Even went so far as to exclaim that all was "peaceful" now in Portland...as the fires burned fresh every night.

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                              Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              It has become very apparent over the past two months some are very willing to not only look the other way in regard to the violence but totally support it. These thugs are emboldened at this point. But, notice they stay in the safety of Dem cities. They would not be getting away with the violence in Republican cities.

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                                 wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                 Oh, they have tried Republican cities.  But although it is not covered much by media, they are often finding an even larger group of heavily armed people just "standing around" where they wish to "protest".
                                 
                                 It happened in Northern Idaho and in the city near me - Boise, Id.  Both times they simply slunk away without ever grouping for a peaceful protest, let alone the riots they are producing in other cities.

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                              GA Andersonposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              Every family has its black sheep and knuckleheads. ;-)
                              
                              GA

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                                 wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                 

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      Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Those riots are part of a force that dislike President Trump.                          The inference is clear: get ride of Trump.                It was a ploy to discredit the Trump administration because of the covid-19 mishandling.

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         wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Don't know that the rioters themselves are interested in that; they seem far more interested in removing any semblance of law enforcement.  Anarchy seems their goal.
         
         But the local mayors and governors; they appear far more interested in refusing to acknowledge that they have a problem...because Trump is the one that can solve it for them.  Better their cities burn down, their population lose livelihoods, businesses and even their lives than accept that Trump can do anything good.

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            Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Your last paragraphe puzzles the mind, my mind a little. But that's interesting.                                   Interestingly enough is the fact that the local authority do not move a finger and allow things to degenerate.      Why think Trump can do all when the mindset says he has not done enough? Or were the local mayors playing politics which ever way?    More interestly, if Trump solve the challenge(soldiers) has been brought in. Could this means Trumpgate is getting a second tenure? Where is GA Williams to wish Trump well!

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   Live to Learnposted 4 years ago

   I agree with you wilderness. Someone or some group is obviously behind this but I hold the democratic party mainly responsible.
   
   Every poll I've seen shows minorities do not want to defund the police. If democrats are too stupid to see they are clearly being played they bear some responsibility for their ignorance.

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      wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      You're right, of course - all the major problems have, and continue to, happen in Democratic run cities.  It is Democrat policies that allow it to continue.  It has been Democrat policies that encourage refusal to obey the law, or even allow law enforcement to operate.
      
      Yes, they carry a big share of the blame for the continuation, and escalation, (from warning illegal aliens that ICE is in the neighborhood to promoting, and participating in, riots) of what we're seeing.  I have a hard time believing that the Democratic Party is behind, and funding, this madness, but they certainly carry a large share of the blame for allowing it to continue.

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         Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         They're just being opportunistic. They will regret their ineptitude if it escalates. The protestors hate the left as much as the right.

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            wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Right again...as long as you discount the ability to control the left.  Anarchists are just that; anarchists, and they have no love for ANY form of government.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   I have never understood the push for anarchy. Remember wrenchBiscuit?
   Wasn't he always arguing for it? Where is he and John Holden when you need them to explain and remind us why socialism and anarchy are valuable ideologies? Lol!

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   GA Andersonposted 4 years ago

   After reading some of the thoughts in this topic I have a couple of my own to offer. (I know, I know, I should just let them go ;-) )
   
   Regarding the thoughts that the Federal government should get involved, I disagree. Other than such Federal actions as were taken to protect Federal property, I think the Feds should keep their hands off of this issue. It is a local issue, (whether city or state), and it should be handled locally—unless the local government, (this time that would be the state), asks for Federal involvement.
   
   I think that because this local activity of rioting and looting is so obviously contrary to national 'common sense' it is easy to conclude that the troops must be sent in—whether the local authorities want them or not. I think that is wrong. What if the "activity" wasn't as obviously wrong as the rioting and looting are, but was still a danger to civil safety, what should be the trigger for Federal involvement?  I say that the trigger must be a request from local authorities.
   
   As crazy as it seems to us, (myself included), that these riots are allowed to continue, it isn't our opinions that should define the reaction, it is the opinions of the local folks involved, and this time local means city and state. Those leaders were elected by the citizens to represent them so it should be accepted that they represent the opinions of the majority of those citizens.
   
   Maybe the next state and local elections will tell us what the citizen's opinions are.
   
   As a side note, maybe this new Kenosha, Wisconsin event, (a police shooting and subsequent riot), shows not all Democrat localities are the same—I heard the governor immediately dispatched 100 National guard troops to the city. 
   
   GA

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      wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      What I'm hearing is that local politics should take priority over the safety of the people and their property in that locale.
      
      I'm not sure I can agree with that, given that it has been going on in Portland, on a nightly basis, for 3 months.  Or when I see the local politicians in the front line of a riot, egging the rioters on and shouting that they are right to riot.  Or when I read Portland police reports of having a grand total of 4 cars available to patrol that city during their non-response to a riot - the inevitable result of local politics placating rioters.
      
      Just not sure at all that local politics comes above my life, my home or my business; that I have no right to expect protection by the rest of the country if required.  We DO expect FEMA and other financial help; why not protection from violence?  Is there THAT much difference between the war in Portland Or and that we might see by foreign violence?

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   Live to Learnposted 4 years ago

   I just heard Trump is sending in federal agents to Kenosha.
   
   That you President Trump!

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      Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Hopefully, this stops the violence and destruction.

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      GA Andersonposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      It isn't Pres. Trump that should be thanked. He was just doing his job.  Kenosha's citizens should thank their governor for accepting Pres. Trump's offer.
      
      GA

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         wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         LOL  That governor did his (her?) job, too, when accepting federal help.  As opposed to some of the others with a much larger problem.

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         Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         I agree, to an extent. Since Trump couldn't help without the governor's consent. But, let's not split hairs or pretend we don't see why the violence has been allowed to morph from initial mostly peaceful protests to violence beyond the pale. The citizens can thank the governor for allowing a situation to devolve to the point they thank him for accepting help.

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            Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Whether President Truump is thank or the mayors, or governors, one thing is clear, the riots were brought to a gradual end.                    Thanks be to God.

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               wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               As far as I've heard, they still continue nightly in Portland Or.

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            GA Andersonposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I wasn't trying to split hairs, I was just trying to give a little credit to a Democrat governor for doing the right thing—finally.
            
            GA

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               Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Governor Tony Evers and Mayor and John Antaramian made the decision not to take the help the Federal Government was offering when they fully knew trouble was coming. They did not err on the safe side to have more law enforcement if it was needed to keep the peace. They were derelict and did not keep the peace. The facts show the Gov opted to let a mob loot and burn for not one night but three nights. Fact --- ultimately by ignoring the problem there were many injured, two dead,  and many lost their livelihood. They in no respect should be thanked but recalled...
               
               I see no silver lining after all the carnage or the need for any thanks --- I see a political party out of control, and it's obvious at this point these Democratic governors where the riots are being allowed care little about their citizens.  And certainly deserve thanks in any respect.
               
               We all as citizens of the USA deserve to feel safe in our communities. We should not be put in the middle of political riots for any reason...
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               Peaceful protest has always had a place in America. However, the Democrats are clearly ushering and promoting violent protests by ignoring them. They have set a precedent that it's OK to riot, loot, and yes kill.
               
               In my view, the Dem's in Washington and the left media have supported this carnage by not reporting it, not reporting it, or soft soaping the riots as being peaceful protests. Today it is clear the Dem's got the memo it is hurting their party, and only now have they chose to talk about it.  They have once again decided to blame the President --- He's like"Mikie" we can blame everything on him.
               
               They set up a man in a little blue blazer in his basement, and have him sew the seeds... (and I would fully imagine it took 101 takes to get that man to get the script correct. )
               
               I won't question your opinion you have a right to it.  However, I must say, I find myself disturbed by it.
               
               I am curious --- How would you feel if one of yours were killed or lost their business,  would "finally" be enough? Because ultimately there are those citizens today at this point that have to live with finally. Due to the preventable carnage that did occur, and could have been controlled with the proper amount of law enforcement.

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                  Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm beginning to think the democrats are supporting the protests to allow their supporters to give their inner racist room. I've heard white protesters using racial slurs against blacks and Hispanics, all the protesters screaming homophobic slurs at gays and telling blacks they aren't black on the inside.
                  
                  The rhetoric of the left appears to be racist, homophobic and anti Semitic at every turn.
                  
                  Thank God we are a nation better than the left appears to be.

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                     wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     There does indeed seem to be a major force trying to divide us into as many small factions as possible; to create and foment as much dissension as possible.
                     
                     The Russian efforts to divide us into Trump vs Not-Trump, and all the shock and dismay at their efforts, are set aside and forgotten as the process repeats itself with any division possible, just in the real world rather than the virtual one.
                     
                     Certainly criminals and rioters stand to gain by ending/reducing law enforcement, but who will gain with the efforts aimed at dividing the nation?

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                     Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     I do agree with all you said. I think these riots are giving us all a clear picture of what we could expect if Biden wins, and the Dem's are back in the White House. I canvas a small area in my community talking to people has brought me to my opinion. I have had my long time neighbors that are Dem's claim they will be sitting this election out, a few stating they will be voting for Trump. I think many realizing they just don't want America to become a place where if someone is unhappy they hit the streets and terrorize others.  Law and order are important to most, and these fools that riot nightly in Dem cities have as the Dems say WOKE many. And they don't like what they woke up to.
                     
                     What makes it all crazy it's so odd the Dem's don't do anything to stop the riots. Guess they think they have well dummied down their base to following whatever ideology they toss out.
                     
                     And yes we are a nation that is better than what the left is portraying. I trust this will become very obvious to the left on Nov 3... I trust American's to stand up and show the left we love America and if they don't there are a few socialist countries they can move to.

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   Live to Learnposted 4 years ago

   I think what bothers me most in the current climate is how the left has made it clear they believe might makes right, the bullying of individual citizens and their complete lack of regard for the tenets most of us feel are the bedrock of the American dream. A guarantee of peace and security which allows each individual to pursue their idea of the American dream.
   
   I watched a clip of Kenosha last night. Protestors screaming against police, then running to police for help when violence erupts, against them. Protestors willing to hurt others, ganging up on their victims like a pack of dogs, but demanding help when they are hurt. I hear they are now marching through rural areas and threatening citizens.
   
   It's past the time for those who are paid by the taxes of citizens to protect tax paying citizens from the angry mobs.

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      Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      That's makes sense, and I agreed. Much thanks.

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      wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      "I think what bothers me most in the current climate is how the left has made it clear they believe might makes right, the bullying of individual citizens and their complete lack of regard for the tenets most of us feel are the bedrock of the American dream."
      
      The left has embraced terrorism, defined as the intentional and deliberate harming of innocent people, as an acceptable method of getting their way.

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         Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         I know. Not to go biblical here but it reminds me of a story wherea king said one group had a day free from repercussions, to get back at those they felt had offended them. These people are vigilante mobs.
         
         It's democratic condoned terror on all of us.

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         Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         In my view, they have offered Trump a dream campaigning subject.  These rioters have put the very truth of liberalism out for all to see. If they don't like something they become violent, scream in the face of the public. Attempt to bully, to silence, to cancel out.  I would think most  American's are not ready to provide themselves up as vessels to lose their right to an opinion, to lose the right to freedom.  Just saying... Conservatives go about things differently, as you can witness by the RNC convention. We need not scream, we only need to vote quietly.
         
         There have always been these types in America, they have made themselves so visible at this time, and so visibly disgusting to most citizens.

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