Socialized Health Care

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   mtsi1098posted 14 years ago

   Who is in favor of this? Not me, I want to be able to go when I want, to who I want to go to and where I want to go. Can anyone help me understand the positive in this?

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      Davinagirl3posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I would have gone to whomever I needed to to not have been put in debt by the birth of my daughter.  After 16 hours of labor, I had to have a c-section.  I was screaming "no" because I knew I couldn't afford it.  I was right.  I couldn't afford it... even with insurance.

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      stoneangel444posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Often, when this discussion rears it's ugly head, Canada seems to be used as a comparison. During the infancy of the Canadian version of health Care woes, many problems were resolved such as making it possible for many to seek medical care when they could not afford it. However, as an individual who has worked within this system for three decades, I see the frame work crumbling from within. Where many Nurses were able to perform their duties in a caring professional manner, the corporate attitude, now image of more productiveity has become the model. Too many in need and insufficient hands to work have begun to burn out the front line. Long line ups at emergency departments have become the norm. Doctors have been legislated by politicians to create medical clinics and groups to take care of larger numbers of clients.
        Yet amid all of the pit falls of the system, people are cared for within an economy that may leave insufficient funds within their budget to seek help at the time they need it most.
          People no longer are faced with financial disaster when they are in need of a hospital bed. Granted, storied surface on a daily basis about the shotage of hospital beds, but as one once in the system, the problem is being taken very seriously and action is taken on a daily basis to find solutions.
      What we seldom consider is the work being done within the system to be there for those in need. I suggest you consider the fact that many of the needs are being met where others without such a system are forced to try to cope on their own. Many die or suffer needlessly. But not in Canada.

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   ralwusposted 14 years ago

   Actually I don't think even Congress will be able to answer that when they are done with it.

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   SparklingJewelposted 14 years ago

   Did you hear about the Democratic Senator making fun of the Congress for thinking that they should read the health care bill? He said it was ridiculous that anyone should try and understand it...after all it is over 1000 pages long and would take 2 lawyers and more days than they have to read it, let alone understand it....???
   
   I couldn't figure out if he was making fun or being sarcastic or being truthful in his belief...
   
   When I find it again I will post the short clip of him...it was at a special media function...
   
   image, thinking it is ridiculous to read a bill before you vote on it...how absurd>...

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago

   Socialized healthcare, more accurately referred to as single payer has been off the table for a long time.  It is not even being considered in the current proposals.

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   onthewritesideposted 14 years ago

   Socialized healthcare is a joke.  It is a detriment to medical development, and I will "ALWAYS" vote against it.  People think it's gonna be "free'?  Who do you know, with any intelligence, that would ever spend thousands and thousands of dollars becoming a doctor, in order to make doodly squat?  My sister is a Nurse Practitioner and is making a quarter of a million dollars a year.  Only because she hooked up with an Asian doctor who came over to the US happy to make $150K a year.  He's now making over a million a year and doing squat because my sister is doing all his work for him...and she only works 4 and a 1/2 days a week.
   
   What I'm trying to say is that these "caring" professionals will up and leave this country (just like the brain drain we have seen happening all over the world of late) if we socialize this industry...

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   bgpappaposted 14 years ago

   First of all, socialized healthcare isn't what is being discussed these days as stated by the previous poster.  Second, its amazing how people come to conclusions about socialized healthcare without knowing the facts and only restate the Republican talking points.  It would be paid for by taxes.

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      Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thank God for people who make sense and actually read.  Bgpappa and MM.

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   Mighty Momposted 14 years ago

   There is a parallel here with granting marriage rights to same sex couples. If you are happily married why should it affect you if other people get to be married? How does Bob and Joe tying the knot erode the fabric of YOUR family? Answer: It does not.
   
   Same thing with Obama's healthcare proposal. He states unequivocably: If you already have coverage that you like you will keep it. No one is going to force you to change to another health plan. You can keep your same doctor(s). You will get to see your doctor the same way you do now.
   The only difference is that millions of Americans who currently lack insurance or are underinsured will ALSO be able to see a doctor without worrying that it could bankrupt them.
   Pray tell, where is the bad in THAT?

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   SparklingJewelposted 14 years ago

   there is always a lot more to a bill than the average citizen ever hears...until it is passed. The problems between political parties stems from the wording and the perceptions of each party about the other party from previous experiences.
   
   IT is all so grossly complicated that the average citizen "checks out" and rolls over and allows government to take control...that is my beef!

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   Michael Willisposted 14 years ago

   Who knows what will come out from this HealthCare Reform that Obama and Congress are working on. It is in need of work, but I don't really see as big a change as people are wanting. There are too many obstacles.
   Who will pay for it?
   Who will sacrifice there profit margin for it?
   Who will oversee to make sure reform is working?
   Who really benefits from the reform?
   
   I just know what I would like to have in a healthcare reform, but that does not mean that Congress will listen. I wrote about what I want from healthcare here on hubpages. I can't speak for everyone else, you have to speak up yourselves to be heard.
   
   http://hubpages.com/hub/What-I-Want-In- … are-Reform

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    Michael Willisposted 14 years ago

    Who knows what will come out from this HealthCare Reform that Obama and Congress are working on. It is in need of work, but I don't really see as big a change as people are wanting. There are too many obstacles.
    Who will pay for it?
    Who will sacrifice there profit margin for it?
    Who will oversee to make sure reform is working?
    Who really benefits from the reform?
    
    I just know what I would like to have in a healthcare reform, but that does not mean that Congress will listen. I wrote about what I want from healthcare here on hubpages. I can't speak for everyone else, you have to speak up yourselves to be heard.
    
    http://hubpages.com/hub/What-I-Want-In- … are-Reform

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    SparklingJewelposted 14 years ago

    My issues with it are taxpayers paying for non citizens (who aren't contributing to the system; not having the choice to have insurance or not (they are talking about everyone having to have insurance or be penalized), not getting the choice of the kind of care I want (natural, alternative and complementary and wholistic oriented practitioners)and my biggest beef is with the money I would pay in that I will never use...that needs to be addressed, if they mandated my own savings account for health, then I would use it for the kind of health care I want and save part for catastrophic, but have it for myself if never used for that.
    
    and then of course the biggy is someone else making healthcare decisions for me, what I can have and what I can't have, and big business and pharma running the show and legislation, etc...

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       kerrygposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Health care reform as it's currently being discussed is going to be voluntary, though, so you can still have the choice of the kind of care you want, and those of us who want the option of an inexpensive public plan can take advantage of it. It's win-win.
       
       
       
       Big business and pharma already run the show. The idea behind creating a public plan is to introduce a little competition into the field so they can't run amok over ordinary people's rights to the same degree they have been in recent decades. My aunt, for example, was a victim of rescission back in the early 90's. When she got leukemia, her insurance company dropped her coverage, and of course she was unable to find another company who would take her in the middle of chemo treatment! If she hadn't been as well-to-do as she is (which is very), she would probably have died more than 15 years ago, and never lived to have a daughter, let alone see her grow up.
       
       Rescinding coverage of a client in good standing just because she gets sick should be a criminal offense, but it was perfectly legal then and remains so today.
       
       Some of you might also enjoy this article: Our Health-Care System is Just Fine As Is!

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          Michael Willisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks for sharing the link. I enjoyed the way he made his point. Made it interesting to read.

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          megs78posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Interesting article. I enjoyed it, thanks for posting the link to it.  I am continually in a state of disbelief when people fight against reform of the health care system...all it takes is a little bit of research to see the benefits.  Canada may not be an exact fit for the US, but there are things that work within our system and we are not told which doctor we can or cannot see or what kind of care we receive.  Basically, the sky is the limit if you are a good caretaker of your health.  For sure, there are times when the doctor doesnt want to send you for a certain test because of money, but  you can get it anyway if you are serious about your care and dont let the doc intimidate you.  Instead of everyone flying off the handle and giving in tothe fear-mongering, people should just start the research and make an informed decision.  thanks again for the link.
          You might enjoy this read from a Canadian point of view:  http://www.rusemag.com/Pages/News.Polit … _0054.html

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