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Best Answer Laura Irwin says
Very well said, Izetti! I'm so sorry you had to go through what you did. I can't even imagine. I agree with you on everything you have said. Your last paragraph says it all. Each of us need to think of those we will affect, not just ourselves.
This is kind of sexist. Your comment about "men not manning up and being men" is also extremely ignorant. It was probably societal pressure that forced your father to be "normal". Your family was torn apart long before your father's sex change.
Religion has everything to do with it. Religion dictates who it wants us to be. Manning up? Sexist, yes. Women also have these sex changes. Agree on the decision on the Family issue. Not sure who U R, Then Dont marry N have kids.
That's how I feel. I don't think the problem is as much the sex change as it is that a woman in a man's body was forced by society (and by extension, religion) into a situation that ultimately led to the family's downfall.
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Abby Campbell says
Like Silverspeeder said below, it has to do with mental illness. I believe it does as well with women who fail their families to such an extreme as a trans man does- a real woman not doing that and a woman who does likely has a mental illness.
It is incredibly ignorant of you to chalk up issues of gender identity to "identity crisis" and "mid-life crisis. Your views on homosexuality are also very ill-informed and ignorant. People can only conform to society's expectations for so long.
Sorry I offended you, Spongy. This is an open forum, and I am entitled to my own opinion. If one is born a specific gender, what in nature specifies he/she to be different? Only medical technology gives people permission to change. It's unnatural.
You didn't offend me and you have the right to voice your opinion. However, I have the right to challenge it as well. I want you to think more carefully about, for example, what being "natural" actually means rather than assuming you already know.
Spongy - You are the one who is name calling here. This is why I mentioned that I have a right to state my opinion. You are rude and offensive and act as if "you" know everything. Maybe you should check science for what natural is.
What name have I called you?
I don't know everything, and neither do you, but we both get a little closer through intelligent argumentation. Open your mind.
You can't make ignorant claims and expect people to accept them without rebuttal.
You have called several of us here "ignorant" as well as "uneducated." You don't know any of us from Adam, so what makes you far superior? LOL. What you have stated throughout these threads is your mere opinion or feelings on the topic, just as ours.
I haven't called anyone ignorant or uneducated. I have criticized comments made out of ignorance and lack of education on the topics discussed.
It would be in better taste for you to intelligently argue my points rather than just attack me.
I dont see anywhere that name calling was brought into the discussion. STOP ACCUSING PEOPLE OF THIS. I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE TWISTING THINGS LIKE THIS ALL OVER HP.
LOL. It's actually the other way around. You have attacked others by giving your "opinion" of what we say is ignorant and uneducated. What challenge? Your words have merely been opinions, and I will no longer be susceptible to your attacks.
I am sorry you do not wish to hold up your end of the debate. I will let it go.
For the record, it accomplishes nothing to take challenges to your opinion so personally. It was not my intent to offend you, just to discuss and learn from each other
see my article on 'vitriolic radicalism'
krillco, please provide the link to your article. I want to read it.
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Christin Sander says
If he was already a woman in a man's body (to speak in grossly oversimplified terms), I feel that the family was already dysfunctional and that this whole situation is the fault of narrow-minded expectations of what a family should be.
I absolutely agree with your comment. I think there is a degree of mental illness and no, I don't believe we should discriminate either.
This is incredibly ignorant of you. Just because someone does not fit into society's narrow conceptions of man/woman; male/female does not mean that he or she is mentally ill. Gender and sex politics are more complicated than you think. Get educated.
If they don't fit into natures normality it means there is something wrong with them, when you realise that you may find out what's wrong with you.
What do you know about "nature's normality"? A lot less than you think, I assure you. Homosexuality occurs in nature, infanticide occurs in nature. Just what point are you trying to make?
I think you will find homosexual activity is between humans. However I acknowledge there is sexual activity between same sex animals but I am sure it's more about a desire to mate than the fact of them being gay. Peadophiles also occurs is that OK?
No, dolphins engage in homosexual activity purely for for the sake of pleasure and affection. You don't know enough about zoology for me to take you seriously on that front. Pedophilia is a crime, of course it is not okay. You need more education.
But you are expounding the virtues that if animal do it its OK. You obviously know everything about Zoology and nothing at all about humans. Only a few decades ago homosexuality was a crime.
As i said a desire to mate nothing more.
Humans are animals. We are more closely related to chimpanzees on the evolutionary scale than chimpanzees are to orangutans, for example.
Homosexuality was criminalized thanks to ignorance and bigotry, not because it is "wrong"
Those who are born with both sets will not be able to make their decision until they are adults. Parents, society and the church often CHOOSE for the child.
So you will just chose those things from the animal kingdom that suit your argument and ignore all the other anomalies that make say chimpanzees different to humans.
However I know of none that have had a sex change.
You're just attacking my argument rather than challenging it with your own. That just isn't going to cut it.
Your argument seems to be its OK for humans to do it because animals of lower intelligence do it. As if they have made a informed decision that they are gay. Animals do things by instinct not by choice.
That part of my argument was to support that homosexuality is not unnatural as it occurs in nature.
Humans are animals as well with their own set of instincts. We do not choose to be straight or gay, it is but another of many natural occurrences.
Now we agree on something as I believe homosexuals are born. But the original question was about transgender reasignment which is not in anyway natural.
I said homosexuality is not the norm because heterosexuality is.
Oh, yes, sorry to digress. Um, homosexuality is not the norm, but neither is having red hair. I will always defend it's legitimacy.
No, gender reassignment does not happen in nature, but my final word on that is just to each his own and respect all
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Society does not HAVE TO accept it- that takes away our freedom. Freedom is people thinking or believing how they choose- where is the freedom in saying society has to accept?
What if we had no outwards signs of sexual orientation and everyone was treated as they pronounce themselves??
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