Perhaps it is all a test?

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   jlparkposted 9 years ago

   Perhaps it is all a test?
   
   Have you ever considered that the 'judgements' you are making on those whom you feel do not fit the bill for Christianity, are actually part of the test? For example, homosexuals, those who are not Christian, those who have abortions, have psychic ability, have sex outside marriage, etc etc etc Have you ever wondered if it's all just a test from God to see if you follow the example of Love that was set, or just the rules? I'm curious, as this has just occurred to me, but as an agnostic don't make much sense. I do not mean to cause offence at all with this question.

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   Snøwmanposted 9 years ago

   Jesus did tell us to love everyone. You don't have to love what they do, but you should love everyone. I believe that gay marriage is wrong, but I wouldn't mind having a gay friend (just as as friend) and I don't insult people for being gay. The same goes for anything else you've mentioned. It's wrong to persecute people for the bad things they've done.

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      jlparkposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for your answer.  Question - do you think that the fight for gay marriage etc may be a test from God to judge the acceptance and love he taught? Rather than a "look at these sinners" type thing, more a "lets see what they've learned" thing?

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      JL we have a right to reply if I am in any kind of way wrong about my post with all fairness, which you just now want to call out late is not fair. So I will allow Hp to make the judgement. You also have a problem with my answers.so you are bias.

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      jlparkposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      KT yes you do have the right to reply, but it's rude to overtake someone answer with yr own. I have no issue with yr answer or yr beliefs but that u r not allowing others to have their answer without forcing yrs on them. That is my only issue

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      JL I have no choice but to allow a person to write all they want to say ,this is not verbal ,how can I take over anything when some one can reply just as I do.
      What you are saying is I do not have a right to reply because you do not like my answer.

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      jlparkposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I have never said u have no right to reply. I have no issue with yr answer and never have had an issue. Stop putting words in my mouth. I hv an issue with yr behaviour - that is all. Let's leave this as it is - enough is Enough.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      by your opinion it is rude to overtake some ones answer with my own. You are saying I am rude for replying back to their statement. I can not put words in your mouth . That is the understanding of your words to me.
      I answered singer you took over.

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      jlparkposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Enough, KT, enough. Commenting is fine. Pushing scripture at some1 who disagrees - not so much. Even cj felt it was being forced.  I am asking for politeness - 2 each othe from each other. If people can't to that - I'm
      Closing the question.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      JL if you want to close the question that is fine too  But as long as there is a reply button  on hub pages then anyone can reply. Again the words that was stated to me by singer were for me  you took over, there is no rules I can not use scripture.

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   cjhunsingerposted 9 years ago

   jlpark
   
   As I understand your question; an all-knowing, all powerful, omniscient god, creator of all things, created an inferior life form, us for the purpose of testing and does not know the end result of the test. With that, and if it to be true, we would have to conclude that this god is not all-knowing. now if he is not an all-knowing god, he is not all powerful and if not all-powerful, certainly he is not omniscient.  There is proof of that due to the fact that believers in this deity believe that he has been removed from schools.
   Of course, if he does possess all those wonderful attributes that are attributed
   to him, then he does know the end result of the test and would have known before he created existence. Now we have another problem called predestination, as some believe. This loving god created some, the elect, to be with him  in heaven and the rest of us, well we can to go hell, which obviously he created just for us.
   Faith is a wonderful thing, if one does not let reason interfer , but then in keeping with the tenant of an omnipotent god and the test thing, he only gave reason to us who are hell bound.
   
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      jlparkposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for your answer - certainly a lot to think on. It merely occurred to me as I was answering another's question..I wondered if people had thought about it, + whether they realised that some may be failing this test, + it wasn't who they'd think

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Reference Bible Eze 3:21 And as for you, in case you have warned someone righteous that the righteous one should not sin, and he himself does not actually sin, he will without fail keep on living because he had been warned, and you yourself will have

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      cjhunsingerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Kiss
      It is my firm belief that if one argues through the words of others, as you do, they have no argument.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Your believe is all it is . There is no argument when you are speaking the truth ,only people that disagree.

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      Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Brainwashed for sure.  The first signs is control others through telling others that if they argue they are wrong..

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      To CSinger you make the meaning of my statements as Arguments. Because you disagree. But I have never gave you or anyone my opinion .
      I have given forum patrons truth from God's own words which was written way before my existence. You argue with him.

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      cjhunsingerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Kiss
      In your words of absolute truth the only difference between you and an Islamic zealot is that you do not have a sword in your hand.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I have nothing in common with a Muslim , zeal I have for the word of God.and because I do ,I will never hold a weapon against my neighbors.
      Jesus never did , and I will do as he wish. Your statement is wrong concerning me. I love people they do not.

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      cjhunsingerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Kiss
      I do not see any love here only a bias, resentment and frustration. Your truth is yours and it serves no point to force it. There is an old saying that if you have to force it, its wrong.

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       To CJ singer what have I forced on anyone the same right to reply as you and is that forced. Force is used with the law !But your statements are not in good taste making accusations that do not fit the circumstances .

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       jlparkposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K+T - cj is not posting on yr answer - there is no need to push the issue on cj's - it is disrespectful. I would say te same if it were cj.  Each to their own - however if u disrespect others, be willing to be disrespected yourself by them.

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       To JLPark you seem to miss the post that CJ made to me,that I was a Muslim zealot with a weapon. You read my post and critazie me, but you do not  say what he has said to me affensive .
       Read all the posts before you attract me I do not attract peopl

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       jlparkposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       I didn't miss it - + I'm calling cj on it now (pls dont). BUT - forcing yr truth on some1 is disrespectful. Respect his answer, + don't push yr truth on him as he isn't pushing his on yr answer is he?

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       American Standard Version 1Sa 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath Jehovah as great delight in burnt-offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of Jehovah? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. King James Versio

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   Kiss andTalesposted 9 years ago

   As written Romans 14:10 -12 But why do you judge your brother?Or why do you also look down on your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. 11 For it is written: “‘As surely as I live,’ says Jehovah, to me every knee will bend, and every tongue will make open acknowledgment to God.’”12 So, then, each of us will render an account for himself to God.
   
   
   New World Translation 2Co 5:10
   "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of the Christ, so that each one may be repaid according to the things he has practiced while in the body, whether good or bad ".
   Jpark you are asking the opinion of your fellow humans who will have to also answer for the good and bad we do also.
   The scriptures make it very clear we all do good and bad ,we will be judge by It , It is our responsibility to know what is good and bad, and up to us to accept the truth . Not fooling ourselves and making excuses that we can be exceptions to God's law. When it was made for us.
   So it is up to you how you answer God's law no matter what people may be opinionated to say. It is your life.

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      jlparkposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, but do you think that all the 'wrongs' that people protest against using the bible to defend their position, are merely tests from God to see if they are blindly following, or actually learn from his love?

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Reference Bible Eze 3:18 When I say to someone wicked, ‘You will positively die,’ and you do not actually warn him and speak in order to warn the wicked one from his wicked way to preserve him alive, he being wicked, in his error he will die, but his

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      jlparkposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      That didn't answer my question - I'm not asking for bible verses but whether you think that it's a test, or whether following blindly is best..(actually...maybe you did answer). I'm not asking for me, I'm asking in general

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Where does law come from ? How do people know wrong from right ?We all go by guidelines ,even the court of law. The point is I totally agree with the bible as God's word We are not tested by God but satan test us because he says we are not worth God.

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      jlparkposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Okay, so following the law of the Bible to the letter is more your thing? So if God says hate, then dislike intensely? I'm not judging, I'm just trying to sort it out in my head your way of viewing your God and his laws. Thanks.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      To be as truthful as can be. Like it is a privilege to drive. And we must learn and apply the laws of the road if we want to keep our license .The same with the breath and life force we do not own .He owns the life force. Laws help us to stay alive.

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      jlparkposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Sure but those laws differ from country to country, and like wise from religion to religion. I'm trying to figure out if you think that you must follow it word 4 word, or if u think that the 'challenges' of the present r a test to see our compassion.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      In response JL about  compassion ,let's say we have a murder ,he kills some one, there is a law not to kill, would we care about his compassion ,or would we care that he just killed some one.? You are comparing feeling, as more then actions

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