Today it was proven that God does not exist.
What if this happened today. All the news networks, all the world leaders, all the scientists, all the leaders of churches announced that it was proven that God does not exist. Proven beyond any reasonable doubt whatsoever.
What would you do? How would society and the world react?God's non-existance has already been "proven" in the religion forum!
That's if you interpret the word "exist" in terms of a physical, tangible "thing".
So, now, we are back to the original position that the non-existance of something cannot be proven. So your question is both futile, and IRRELEVANT.
Sorry to throw a damper on your enthusiasm.
Well I would not have to think any differently, and the religionists would not believe it if god told them himself, so my guess is very little would change,
- ahorsebackposted 12 years ago
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- Emile Rposted 12 years ago0
I thought Christianity started in the Middle East, NOT the Bible Belt of the US of A.
Hhhmmmm...
Maybe they were not the first after all, either.
- AntonOfTheNorthposted 12 years ago0
I added a lot to the conversation. I pointed out the hypocrisy and contradictions in your statement.
I am an atheist. I do not rape and pillage. Yet - you seem to think that - while you personally woudl not start doing that because your morals do not need a belief in god - you fear that the only thing stopping your fellow believers from raping and burning things willy nilly is the fear of god.
That about it?
Interesting how little you trust your fellow believers if the only thing stopping them from raping and arson is the fear.
He doesn't - but he thinks all his fellow believers do. I wonder if they think that too?
So - basically you would start to rape and murder without this belief? LOLOL
Speaking on a global scale huh?
Believer and Realist? Oxymoron.
I do not base my belief on what is right or wrong on anything that can be shattered. Therefore - unlike you - I cannot have my "beliefs" shattered.
I do not believe garbage. I make my own determinations.
"Today it was proven that God does not exist."
Darn! I missed it!- ahorsebackposted 12 years ago0
Aww. Lying again huh?
Intelligent?
Beleebers will rape wivout the threat - gotcha.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Intelligent? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO
Really? stealing to feed your child is wrong? LOLOLO
No wonder your beliefs have caused so many wars.
Liars For Jesus (TM)- is an awesome argument.
LOLOLOL is very hard to come back from...wow.It certainly is a direct statement. Yes.
Your lies on the other hand are just that. Lies to defend the beliefs you say you have but do not follow. I warned you - speak lies and nonsense at me again and I will laugh at you. What did you not understand about that?
You would not change your behavior, but all the other beleebers would start raping and burning buildings down. Statistically - believers are far, far more likely to commit a crime than those of us who determine our moral standards using reason and logic instead of majik. Why not try addressing the point6s I have made instead of spouting nonsense at me?
Odd - I try and have a reasonable conversation with you, you spout lies and nonsense at me and I laugh at you for doing so. And I am the one degrading the conversation?
This is why religionists such as yourself cause so many conflicts.
Liars for Jesus (TM)
Come on - try explaining why you think all your fellow believers would immediately start raping and pillaging when you personally would not. Telling me lies and using semantics to change the subject just makes me laugh at you.
Why would you personally not start raping and pillaging if god were proven not to exist - but ya think that this belief and fear is the only thing from stopping your fellow believers?
See how that makes no sense and is actually a lie to defend your silly beliefs?Now you are DOUBLY boring.
Copy and paste, again.
Have you no morals?
No, I guess not. It's all made up as you go.
Whatever suits at the time.
And aka-dj. If you would not hope for a world of peace and work towards it. If you would sit idly by and proclaim that it will never come to pass then it will certainly never be hastened by your loving hand. Take a little time to think about it and remember that first and foremost the requirement of Jesus is to act in love and treat others as you would be treated. If a world of peace does not shine in your eyes then I will hold MY peace.
yeah I guess that's true. It really doesn't belong in a thread about what if there was no god. ^_^
But you know. I started off talking about the world peace issue. God or no god. Religion would still exist. People call themselves christian and are nothing but people who's parents gave them an idea of identity and a metaphorical cross to bear. And religion is just that if you are not there for the one reason a believer is there for.
What I was trying to convey was that religion is a wonderful place to be when you love power, money and respect. Wars and murder after the fact are nothing more than extensions of such a person's warped belief system. Same as government. Just because you are the leader of a nation there is no time in which mass murdering becomes the only option or an attractive one.
Lets leave god out of it then. religion is used everywhere in the world as a shield. What people have done in so many years past under the aegis of religion would turn your heart cold and stony. There is no truth or love in religion, there never was. I am not saying that men are not to blame for "wickedness" What I am saying is that when such an impregnable divide as religion robs the world of peace and love, maybe taking it away would let both of those things back in.
By the way, my second post was not in conjunction with this thread so much. You are for some reason combative. I admitted that I may or may not have a chip on my shoulder when it comes to religion. and I also agreed with your comment that I replied to. I am not interested in saying you are wrong. I am happy to accept what you say and your belief system, but I have beliefs too and the objective of this debate style environment is to voice opinion. what I will not do and what you might want to think about is telling someone that they are wrong. This is why I tell you if you WANT peace, then try to act like it. and because you are a christian, then act like one and exercise a little love on the chats
Interesting article. It smells of plagiarism.
I mean, Paul was mistaken for a Greek God at Lystra, as written in Acts 14;
8While they were at Lystra, Paul and Barnabas came upon a man with crippled feet. He had been that way from birth, so he had never walked. He was sitting 9and listening as Paul preached. Looking straight at him, Paul realized he had faith to be healed. 10So Paul called to him in a loud voice, “Stand up!” And the man jumped to his feet and started walking.
11When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in their local dialect, “These men are gods in human form!” 12They decided that Barnabas was the Greek god Zeus and that Paul was Hermes, since he was the chief speaker. 13Now the temple of Zeus was located just outside the town. So the priest of the temple and the crowd brought bulls and wreaths of flowers to the town gates, and they prepared to offer sacrifices to the apostles.
To me it reeks of combining the stories of Paul, Jesus and even perhaps the Apostle John.
I'd say Appolonius was the fake, myth, fabrication.And I would say you are wrong. If you check the time frame you will see.
And I would say you are wrong. If you check the time frame you will see.
"although there appears to be confirmation at least of Apollonius's existence. In fact, from the odd coincidences between his life and that of Jesus, it has been suggested by not a few people that Jesus Christ is a fictional character based in large part on Apollonius of Tyana, although Christians beginning in early times cast the accusation of plagiarism in the opposite direction."
There is more evidence in other writings of the time to support that jesus was the one who never existed, as there is no proof at all to support his being a real person.
The christian belief got the upper hand by fouls means.
All will be revealed soon.
Except for one thing.
I don't believe this version!
Even if that were true, the OT was not in the hands of the council.
It was in the hands of the Jews.
The same OT is rife with prophecies of the coming Messiah.
In fact, the Jews themselves, by and large don't believe.
Yeshuah is not who they were expecting.
I know of MANY Messianic Jews, who have "converted" solely on the evidence of their scriptures.
Sorry mate, but your argument doesn't hold any water.
If that were the only evidence you had, that was compelling, there are heaps of counter arguments.
So, as I said, it comes down to faith.
Just who, and what do you choose to believe is all that separates us.
As you would have guessed DJ, I have a lot more to say on the subject.
What we choose to believe is what separates all of us I guess.... that and the fact that I am hanging off the bottom of the planet a lot of miles further away than most.
Hi DJ. Wouldn't you want proof if someone told you an outlandish 4,000 year old myth then told you you should live your life by it in 2011?
Come to think of it, I guess you would take that as truth.That can't be called religious, by definition.
What those other topics offer is not the same as religion, which offers the word of God and his commands and expectations of His followers. Huge difference.
That would be called hypocrisy.
- AKA Winstonposted 12 years ago0
Most Christians don't ask stupid questions.
Oh, I might get into trouble over that one!
OK, here's another one.
Many Christians have been where the Atheist are, so they know what it's like.
However, most Atheists have not been where Christians are, so they have to ask.
Perhaps these question are not a stupid as them may seem.
Oh well. It keeps Hubpages an active website, if nothing else.I can't speak for you, but I know very few people that used to be "christians".
I know more than I care to count, who were churchgoers, who left. The reasons number in the same as the individuals concerned.
I, for one, could NEVER be and EX-Christian.
And, no, it's not fear that keeps me one.
PS. I also have (and still do) asked many, tough questions, and I have yet to have a satisfactory answer from an atheistic worldview.
To the aborigines I know, almost everything is a higher spirit. They respect the planet in it's entirety and see animals,trees, places as highly spiritual.
That doesn't make them right either.
I don't understand how inflated self esteem comes religion.
I have a diagnosis of bipolar disorder type I with psychosis, as per the DSM-IV-TR, as a specifier. The form of psychosis I experience is termed derealization. It stems from my experience with amnesia. Though psychosis it is not severe enough to have the diagnosis of dissociative disorder creating a comorbid diagnosis.
But, religiosity is a monitored symptom for bipolar disorder. That is one reason of many why I walked away from Christianity. And, that is why I usually don't discuss 'God' from a religious point of view. I prefer the philosophical view.
I distance myself from the supernatural somewhat to the extend I really won't go to a horror movie - LOL, Nothing to do with religion, it has to do with some weird gene, brain chemical imbalances, and that damned '52 chevy that rear ended my primo '67 VW bug with a 2180 pancake motor sporting two Webers with a roller crank and cam. Go figure. If you figure it out let me know, I would love to know.
Though true, I'm just fun'n with 'ya earnest.
Oh my, there you go with the logical fallacies again. You really should take the time to learn them and NOT use them all the time.
- RookerySpoonerposted 12 years ago0
Having a mature discussion would have one assume others are mature and are not bringing invisible sky fairies into the discussion.
As well, bringing logical fallacies into the discussion is also not very mature.
Hope that helps.You're joking, right?
We should just sit back and watch the believers of the world flush it down the toilet? Do nothing? Let the believers mire us with their insane beliefs?
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