What is Christian Love
- just_curiousposted 14 years ago
0I don't throw love. I give and show love.
If you met me in person, you would know that.. I love to help people, for people are my brothers and sisters.
God gives me everything..
"...I guess they'll all have to fend for themselves, as I do."
Yep, that's man's point of view..
1 John 3:17
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
And Beelzebub doesn't want to tell you that compassion is a by-product of love...
God says love your neighbour 'as yourself'.. [Matthew 22:37]Rejecting God or His word doesn't make it go away.. lol
I'm sorry, but if you've been there and understood scripture, it would be obvious to you.
And "did that for over 40 years." doesn't mean anything if you gave it up.
One will only let go of what one never believed in...Or in the light of reality.
I used to believe in Santa, but then I grew up.
vector, Agreed. I sincerely give and show love also.
Dear me. You think you show love?
Little wonder your religion causes so many wars.
My - you are brave though. LOLOLWhy so much war talk?
You talk more about war than anyone I know.
I can count at least 20 times and post them all right here.
Forget war, there is no war here, only peace...
I love you Mark.No - you don't. You don't even know me. You hide behind an anonymous Internet persona.
This is why your religion causes so many wars.My name is Daniel Buchanan. No persona. Posted it plenty before.
You can say all you want. Like it or not. I love you. Period..
Accusations are not nice. And they won't work.
Unless you claim your forefathers act in slavery because you are white, you should really give it a rest Mark..No - you do not know me at all. You have never even met me. You are trying to show how much better you are than me, by lying. But - thanks for reminding me why I despise your religion.
This is why your religion causes so many wars.
Hi Mark, There you go again with the war stuff.
Awww
So you are not a Warrior for Jesus? LOLOL
This would be why your religion causes so many wars.
My -how brave you are - unknown stranger hiding behind an Internet persona.
So brave of you.
LOLOLOLOYou don't need her name.
Why would you need her name Mark?
That's not normal to seek personal information.
I wouldn't post it if I was her either.
It's very smart of her..vector, You're right. It's not normal. One has a right to not post personal information if they choose not too. Besides, there are many on hubpages who are using screen names. It's quite childish for a grown person to constantly ridicule someone for not using their name. Love and blessings to you
Mark, Yes I am a warrior for Jesus.
I don't need to post my name to prove that to you.Not really. The religion causes wars and conflict. Always has done, always will do. Is doing so today. When you think you have a god speaking into your head - you cannot make rational decisions about a lot of things.
The point is that the religion causes conflict and wars. Admittedly - there are a few peaceful Christians - yes. Not many pacifist Christians though =- are there?
Have you read this book? I don't see how it could do anything other than cause conflicts. This is part of the central dogma and teachings:
"He who is not with me is against me,"
Matthew 12:30. Luke 11:23
How does this not cause division and - ultimately - conflict?
Sure - a few Christians do not follow the bible - I know. But the basic teaching is this. And the person I was speaking to causes conflicts and fights for Jesus. She specifically created an anonymous Internet persona to fight about her religion.
This is why their religion always causes conflicts.
Thankfully, because you believe someone cannot do something, does not make it so.. You not understanding does not make it impossible, or unreasonable to think someone can.
What a person "is" and what they "do" are two different things. I love people.. I don't love the things they do such as call people names or steal. But I still love the person..
I say what I mean and I mean what I say.
I love everyone..You must be very proud of yourself.
Sounds good. You buy, I'll pick the movie.
Maybe you forgot Jesus Christ, the Son of God came and there was no more need to set a plan for the Messiah into action any more.
And He also taught the law which we are to abide by today.
Matthew 22:36
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
~Jesus
A small amount of knowledge is dangerous. And can one can condemn themselves with their own words..
Matthew 12:36
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
~Jesus
If you are to watch, it should be of yourself friend..
Ok. Thanks for the input. I was curious what those who use the word all the time meant. I've never noticed you use the word, but I'm feeling the love here. So that's where your inspiration comes from. Interesting.
Here is some more biblical "love"
"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)
Are all religions blind, or are the mass of misspelled threads indicative of a total lack of education?Well, unfortunately God being real.. He's really not going to smile on you saying He is less intelligent than you..
Of course you think it's wrong.. You also think governments are considerate of the people they govern do you?
The world is evil, God was trying to keep the weeds cut back.
It's His judgement. He wrote the book of existence. What's tearing out a couple pages of living words out because they refused to be read?? You going to keep feeding that dog that's biting your hand too?I see Jesus Christ, and His resurrection and wonder how anyone cannot see it. The evidence is there.
But you can deny it of course..How do you deal with the OT, do you ignore it or rip it out of your "good" book?
I guess not. I wish you would address the issues the OT brings, and all the contradictions in the NT.
When someone writes literally thousands of abusive hate filled threatening "scripture" in the tome, you, like the readers of that other "good" book seem to have tunnel vision!
The quoran and bible are the same for the most part.
It is the most amazing thing. Apparently they can read the 40,000 odd threats as "love"
Love is a good word,but it is a verb which means ,its shown in action
Guess that didnt really answer your question huh, lol.
I dont usually say it ,unless I can back it up.See? It's posts like yours that I get completely. It's a good definition.
Cool.
(I confess,had the same question fired at me by my son) cept he worded it slightly differently,lol)
His question 'Do you love me ,because I exist,or because I make you happy?- Easy to answer son ,since you most definately do some things that dont make me happy
I love (him) because he exists. The word love then is considered a noun.
Cool. A psychic. That's one interesting attempt at a parlor trick. Unfortunately you don't know me and you've gotten it wrong.
Namaste.
Now I feel bad again. I wasn't attempting to call you out. You are correct, though. I guess words are more powerful than we intend quite often. I still post more train of thought than I should.
I have to laugh at your jc comment. I was mortified at first when I realized whose initials I shared. It seemed presumptuous to end up with initials that matched someone as great at he was, but it was an accident. And I am, for the most part, just curious.
- Motown2Chitownposted 14 years ago0
Nonsense, that isn't "Christian love" that's simply compassion, which all humans have instinctively.
Those most certainly are Christian characteristics, the ones that start conflicts and wars. Do away with them, stick to just being compassionate and all will be well.Indoctrination is very, very strong in this one.
"Children securely attached to their parents, compared to insecurely attached children, tend to be sympathetic with their peers as early as 3.5 years of age (Saters, Wippman, & Sroufe, 1979). In contrast, abusive parents who resort to physical violence have less empathetic children (Main & George, 1985).
Developmental psychologists have also been interested in parenting style, and disciplinary practices as predictors of empathy and pro-social behavior. The comparison tends to focus on one of two styles. Parents who rely on induction engage their children in reasoning when they have done harm, prompting their child to think about the consequences of their actions and how they have harmed others. Parents who rely on power assertion simply declare what is right and wrong, and resort more often to physical punishment or strong emotional responses of anger. Parents who resort to induction and reasoning promote children who are more pro-social and likely to help their peers (e.g., Eisenberg & Fabes, 1998; Hoffman, 1983).
Other factors still promote more empathy and helping. Giving children chores makes them more pro-social. Children who have grandparents around, and have strong connections with grandparents tend to be more pro-social. Children who have compassionate and pro-social parents tend to be more altruistic."
http://www.altruists.org/static/files/T … ner%29.pdfHave you even read that book? These were kids that already were well educated in British society.
Btw, do you know for what the literal translation is from "Lord of the Flies"?No. I didn't read the book. I don't think I've even seen the movie. A trailer maybe. I just know it's about a bunch of wild boys. And no, I don't know what the literal translation is. I am interested, but before ypu enlighten me can you, at the least, concede that children need the guidance of adults to develop social and emotional skills? I'm not talking religion Beelzedad. But they have to observe the behavior of something in order to copy it.
Oh, also, lighten up on the indoctrinated statements.Then, why the heck are you even referring to it? Sheesh.
Why should I? You refer to a book you've never read to support an uninformed assertion. Hilarious.
Yet, another uninformed assertion.
Perhaps, if stopped exhibiting those characteristics and begin thinking for a change, the statements would then stop. But, so far, your posts show little else but religious indoctrination.
Nonsense, altruism and compassion are part of us as they have evolved along with us over many millennium. These are not characteristics that need to be taught, they will occur naturally just like any other instinct we possess.
If nothing else, read this article. It will be well worth the while and should make one really question the belief that mankind is sinful by nature or instead by scriptural curse. Enjoy.
"Altruistic behaviour is common throughout the animal kingdom, particularly in species with complex social structures. For example, vampire bats regularly regurgitate blood and donate it to other members of their group who have failed to feed that night, ensuring they do not starve. In numerous bird species, a breeding pair receives help in raising its young from other ‘helper’ birds, who protect the nest from predators and help to feed the fledglings. Vervet monkeys give alarm calls to warn fellow monkeys of the presence of predators, even though in doing so they attract attention to themselves, increasing their personal chance of being attacked."
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/altruism-biological/Nice source!
It's amazing what information you can find on the internet, isn't it? I found this. You might want to read up on it.
Altruistic behaviour is common throughout the atheist kingdom, particularly in individuals not associated with courteous social structures. For example, aggressive atheists regularly regurgitate lines from Richard Dawkins’ book to other members of their group who have failed to feed that night, ensuring they do not suffer from lack of ammunition. Numerous individuals receive help in attacking their prey by soliciting ‘helper’ aggresssive atheists, who protect the primary aggressor from flanking moves by anyone that doesn’t agree with their attack on their prey. Aggressive agnostics, who lean heavily toward aggressive atheism, sometimes give alarm calls to warn aggressive atheists of the presence of believers, even though in doing so they attract attention to themselves, increasing their personal chance of being condemned to the eternal fires of hell.
check it out at
http://socrates.uofbs.bs/entries/altrui … kiddingme/
Yes. Naturally in some people. How do you suggest a child that doesn't naturally develop these traits learn them? Not everyone has them Beelzedad. I've met people, even on these forums, that lack compassion.
I can certainly see how bearing wrongs patiently, forgiving offenses willingly, comforting the afflicted....yes, these are terribly controversial things which lead to war and conflict. Your astute observation holds me in thrall. Perhaps if you quoted someone's entire post rather than piecing together what you want to attack, everyone would take your argument a little more seriously. I seem to recall in my original post saying that the first three of these often cause conflict. Did you read that part? Probably not. Or, if you did, I notice that you very deliberately left it out of the part of my post you chose to quote. Here's the part you deliberately removed:
"I believe it's only right to instruct the uninformed if they ask for instruction. Counseling the doubtful does not mean telling them that their doubts are wrong. Admonishing sinners, in my opinion, is to admonish a fellow BELIEVER who is living contrary to what they say they believe. The rest can all be done quietly and without fanfare. Unfortunately, too many folks take those first three to mean that they should do those things to/for EVERYONE, and in a very demanding and demeaning way. Ask for my instruction, and I will gladly give it. Ask me for counsel when doubtful, and I will do my best to reasonably acknowledge and understand your doubt and help you through it. I will admonish a sinner within my own "community" if I believe they are putting themselves or another in danger."
Really, Beelzedad, troll for bigger fish. You'll find no joy or sport in catching this one.
As to compassion being instinctive in every human being? No, I do not believe that it is. It is instinctive for us to do kind things for those for whom we "feel" love. Doing it for others, who may be cruel, unkind, smelly, or downright evil - that's above the average human instinct. That's what makes it of supernatural origin.
Have fun!Really? So, not one of your points can stand on its own, it must be supported by the entire argument even thought the point is contradictory or unnecessary to the argument?
If each point cannot stand on it's own, the entire argument cannot be valid.
No, I get that and I did read and understand it. But again, if your entire argument is going to be based on several points, then each of the those points needs to be valid. Let's look further into your argument for more inconsistencies.
Here again we find flawed and illogical reasoning as well as that which contradicts facts and reality, and smacks entirely of scriptural indoctrination.
Yet, while it is the duty of every Christian to evangelize their religion and convert others, you would not agree with this approach, yet on the other hand, you agree with other doctrines of your religion.Personally, I have seen no one here exclaim that they hate you, maybe I missed that memo or something. You appear to be a very nice person.
Whatever fashion they decide is their own doing whether you agree with it or not, they probably don't think your fashion to be acceptable either.
Such is the nature of conflict within Christianity.
Yes, I understand you don't wish to debate, to question your beliefs or attempt any rationale thought processes. So be it.
However, pointing out the flaws of your arguments is perfectly acceptable and has nothing to do with making disciples or holding a set of beliefs.And, yet you are here, contradictory to why you claim you are not here.
I am sorry you're not inspired, excited or interested in logic. If not, what does inspire and excite you?
And yet, contradictory to what you claim, whatever man knows is what he does know, and much of it actually works just the way they know it works.
I call it acceptance, too. Acceptance of the illogical, irrational and that which fails to face up to the facts of the world around us. And, I totally understand you are content to live in that zone.Huh? Did I claim that I was not here? I thought I simply said I wasn't here to debate or evangelize. I should have expounded on the "anything else" I suppose as being anything else related to religion. I am here. Here at HubPages, I mean. I am here to write. Contradictory, I know, given that this is a site for writers. That I would have the nerve then to answer a direct question on a forum is appalling when considered in that light. I'll be certain to avoid that in the future. Thanks so much for pointing that error on my part.
And, regarding what excites,inspires, and interests me? I assume (perhaps wrongly) that you don't really give a hoot about that. Since that is the case, I shall decline answering that question. In reality, it's meaningless to anyone but me anyway, and certainly doesn't address the OP or anything else in the thread. You may feel free to now berate me for having said what does NOT inspire me as an attempt to "cause conflict" by getting you to ask what does.
Man knows - then those who know may feel secure in their knowledge. May they live long and prosper.
Call it whatever you wish to call it. That you "understand" me brings immeasurable joy to my heart. I don't know that I'd have made it through another day of being un-evolved, indoctrinated, and content without that knowledge. Certainly your validation is exactly what I search after and long for with every word I type here at HP.
I love gays and muslims and everyone.
Contrary to what the question implies, those you speak of are not true Christians.
Christ said to love everyone, including your enemies.. Let alone a gay or a muslim, for they are not my enemies. (Matthew 5:43-44)
"To Christ, love was a verb."
Yes, meaning that you act on the love you have for them.
He taught extensively on the fact that the actions and things you say come from the heart.
Luke 6:45
45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
But the good things from the heart should not just be spoken:
Matthew 25:40
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
"How many Christians today do you know using gays or Muslims as their examples of who they love?"
If someone claims to be a Christian and does not the things which Christ teaches, why do you ask why Christians do this or that?
For you know those who act like a Christian are a Christian. While those that only claim they are Christians are not Christians at all if they do not fit the description.
Anyone can claim to be anything. That does not make them so. Using the word "Christians" to describe people who don't act like Christians is like using the word "NBA Athlete" to describe people that don't even play professional basketball.
They do not do that which makes them what they claim. Anyone can wear a jersey, carry a ball around, and tell people they make a million dollars a year.. That does not mean they are a "NBA Athlete".
So then if you use that person which claims they are a NBA Athlete to describe the people that actually do play for professional teams, you are applying a characteristic to one group of people because of someone who simply "claims" they are such..
This is irrational.
God bless..So, I'm curious. Do you think pointing out a belief that those, and other groups who don't agree with you, are bound for eternal hell is a loving stance?
Hey Mo. I'm sorry. I didn't see this one. I apologize if I posted that to you. I thought I was talking to Vector. I have nothing but the utmost respect for your take on Christianity.
Haha....no worries! You did post it to someone else. I just hijacked it to make my opinion known. And, I have as much respect for your open questioning of it.
This Shark actually exist? Instead of conferring some imaginary power on the one doing the warning?
You have no authority John. None. You are trying to gain some with fear. I am not afraid.
This is why your religion causes so many conflicts. Fear always causes conflicts and you try to spread it like a seed.Yes but there is a shark and he will get you, BUT if you repent and turn from your sinful ways He will not bite you instead just the opposite will happen, He will love you and caudal right up to you and make your world so much better, you can grab hold of that fin and ride the wide oceans with a loving friend and so much more (that you don't believe in
)
Of course if you perceive the shark to only be psychotic then you will panic, make splashy sounds and the shark will zoom in on you.
Either way you get what you think you will get. Amazing how that works huh.
sorry for the fear
At least I don't claim Jesus and deny His doctrine..
I didn't write the law. I just tell it.Please explain where you got the notion that I don't do so? And pseudo Christians are not Christians. Your judgement is incorrect. Please refer below for the explanation. (1)
And if telling people the Gospel is not what Christians are to do then why Christ's teaching to do so?
Matthew 28:19-20
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Mark 16:15
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
"Spewing" scriptures is what Christ said to do. Preach.
Yes you must do your best to follow the law. But you cannot fulfill the law yourself. That is exactly why we need Jesus, and why we are to preach...
My goodness.. Christians aren't Christians unless they are doing God's will and follow Christ's teachings.
Those that don't are NOT Christians.
And you cannot "become" Christ, which means "The Messiah".. He is a savior - hence the name...
You can be a faithful follower.. But you "need" Jesus, you don't become Him. Please no one think they are going to "become" the Son of God......
It's ridiculous how many times I need to tell people this.
It is posted twice on this thread, thoroughly explained...
Please use logical reasoning.......
Have a good one everybody..."DOH! This is part of what gets you into trouble. If you truly understand the teachings of Jesus you will understand that YOU are to follow in his footsteps and find the Christ within yourself."
I'll give you one thing, I admit I did become a little frustrated. But I think the point made of following Christ should be a little more clear to the public that it isn't a magic act. People interpret things really perversely often times...
"You can post your thoughts and opinions as much as you like, you can not change anyone but yourself."
That is a very well made point. But I don't just post opinions. I back everything I say with scripture... And Christ's words are what influences a person, and they are what people need to know.
John 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
~Jesus
If I am to "spew" any words on the forums, I believe Christ's carry a vast majority more wisdom, knowledge, and truth.. Not to mention.. LIFE. The scriptures are exactly what we derive the very person of Christ from. If I post not scripture, then where do people see Christ? From MY words?
I do believe our actions speak much louder than words, and that they should be in line with Christ completely. But let's face it. There aren't many doors to open, or poor to feed within these forums.. I'm a little lost on why people keep telling me I need to "show" and not just tell, when they cannot see a single thing I do during my day.
Not to mention. The greatest gift Christ offers is the salvation He bought on the cross for everyone to live. If I don't tell people of His amazing selfless gift, then am I not being selfish and keeping the good news to myself?
John 8:51
51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
~Jesus
The scriptures are what Jesus said. And Jesus says they are life, and save men from death. I have changed considerably since I became a Christian, because I know what I must do. And that is tell everyone both small and great of the opportunity they have to have their sins forgiven.
It is work for me to teach, and learn scripture.. And I don't like being ridiculed by those who don't believe. I do it because I love them and everyone, and I spend much time trying to spread a good knowledge. I don't do any of this for myself. Freely I have received.. Freely I shall give..
"...you cannot truly understand what Christian love is, not the true Christian love. It's impossible from this external standpoint you are displaying."
Internal things are between one's self and God...
Matthew 6:6
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
It is a personal relationship with God, that is not to be boasted about before men. Yes, "I love God" and "God is good" ... But not.. "I am righteous... favoured by God.." Raising God up in glory, not one's self.
And the love Christ taught of is simple. Here are His own words:
John 15:13
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
~Jesus
"Perhaps you can credit yourself with a watered down version of Christian virtues."
I don't credit myself with anything except the proclamation that I love God, and Christ Jesus died for my sins.
And I don't have a pulpit, nor do I stand in front of one. If God ever ask me to I certainly would. But amazingly that is the power of God which teaches me in my sincere efforts, and I'm often mistaken for a minister.
I do think very much so while posting. Along with looking up scripture and verifying that I'm not teaching someone the wrong thing. I also don't like to be told what Jesus would want me to do when I have His very words right here.
I think you have good intentions. But you don't have anything but secular words that you are attributing to Jesus with nothing to back or verify the truth of it. That is exactly what scripture is for. Had it not been put into scripture, you wouldn't know truth from lies from the men who spoke of Him.
I do not "spew" scriptures. They are used to address the words I speak and show I am telling exactly what Christ Jesus says. Without scriptures I can say anything I want and make all sorts of invalid claims.. But I prefer to show people so they do not need to doubt me, as there are many, many liars in the world today.
I teach what Christ taught. I don't just use His name within my own opinions."You are not getting it. You are not to tell the words you are to become them."
Please tell me what all 7 of those paragraphs are for if you're not to "tell" the words?
And people who don't like me don't like the Bible. I don't put opinions in anything. And if I do I flat out say it's my opinion.
Everyone can notice just_curious' personal attacks. She has more to say about me than anything the OP has anything to do with no matter what the question is.
And throwing pearls before swine is a scripture as well.
Matthew 7:6
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
~Jesus
He's talking about things of God.. Hence the "holy" in the sentence.
I hear just fine. Mostly nonsense though with nothing but opinions. You don't even quote books or state and explain experiences... Nothing.
I will certainly leave you two alone in the unreasonable notion that you know more about Christianity than Christ Himself. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, and I'm not attempting disrespect. I'm being honest.
And I'm glad you flat out called me ignorant. It shows just how Christlike you are. No need for input from me.For everyone to know what I have done, and not done.
"Vektor, if I remember correctly, you called me beelzebub. I didn't consider it a personal attack."
-just_curious
"Wow what a believer in Christ you are. Beelzebub has taught you well..."
-vector7
And it wouldn't have been a personal attack even if you said so. I was pointing out the disagreement with Christ's teachings.
THIS:
"I don't think he can hear anyone but himself."
Is a personal attack stating that I don't consider the words of the other posters. And in fact I do. I even quote what they say to address what "they said" directly.
And if you wouldn't say things like that up there and like:
"Well said vektor. Now that you've admitted your religion is made up, what's your next move?"
-just_curious
And would spell the name correctly instead of trying to be funny then I may be more obliged to answer your replies. You don't like scriptures, and that's fine. But don't tell me not to post them, that's (at least of now) still within my rights and we're in a "RELIGION" forum.
Go to the secular forums if you don't want scriptures. AND it's posted under Christianity, the Bible and Jesus, ABOUT "Christian" love.. By YOU.
Where does Christianity come from???
THE BIBLE...
- SirDentposted 14 years ago0
Life coming into existence just to die and disappear is not a normal phenomena.. Death is a gate.
Information in a designed machine (The human body-With digital coded instructions) is implanted with it's 'designed' structure and functions from an 'external' source. Intelligence does not not come from within. If this were so, we would not have so many species extinct. Rather we would see them burst into amazing new things.. Which we note is not happening.
The whole evolution thing is old and outdated with no basis. Most people are beginning to realise and claim there is "some" intelligence that created them. They just don't choose what.
Love is from that source. Which you may not claim my God, but it is from Him..
What you just said is the lie.
You can only go one of two directions.
You cannot travel in two different directions at the same time..
Either you choose left or right, good or bad, up or down, love or hate..
The world is full of hatred. Do you think automatic weapons are for hunting? And there are more fully automatic weapons in the world than any other kind.
I believe the dilusion is that we can fully respect another without love.
If you don't love, you will certainly choose to be hateful at some point or another. Seen it all my life.
Nice attempt at trying to justify not loving people though."Loving everyone is a delusion Christians like to promote. It's a complete lie."
-topgunjager
"I like the way you think."
-just_curious
Wow what a believer in Christ you are. Beelzebub has taught you well...SirDent, I learning to not always say so in these forums. I can see that some of the unbelievers can not stand to be loved and reject it. In the next breath, they whine about "where is the love from christians"? Some people are hard to please. This forum was an eye opener for me and many of the other forums also. God bless you
just_curious, No, I don't have my idea about hell. Yes my statement was referencing to hell according to the word of God, and the word of God is not a book of opinions as you seem to think. Yes it was love when I stated " I hope you come back before it's too late." You are not a part of me, so you can not determine if my response to her was not done with love. I did not not go out of my way to offend her. Shame on you to jump to that conclusion. Hope you feel better
vector, You got that right. I have left it alone after responding to their post.
Hi Jewel:
I can't speak for others. My opinions are, of course, mine.
"logic" IS rational.
"Materialism" is an evolved characteristic of man.
Down thru the ages, he who has gained the most, gains power!
That is deeply imbedded in the genetic programming of us: humans!
Unfortunately we are a very "fertile" and productive species.
We havn't learned, yet, an important fact; that because of our gained anomaly i.e. "consciousness." we have been able to attain a level of dominion over all life and really, have no natural enemies but ourselves! That throws the "natural" balance of life aside and places us and all life in great jeopardy of being ended..or at least reduced maximally.
Those who you speak of who are dedicating there lives to bringing understanding and with that "adaptability" to a species of life, ARE THE FEW and, I'm afraid are going to offer too little, too late.
"What is understood as superstition is merely one person's inability to broaden their reality."
Yes. Superstition is just an irrational belief that has no foundation in fact and can be mesmerizing to the point of unreasonable commitment! We see that everyday of our lives amongst those who are abjectly ignorant and maleable.
It will only get worse over the next 50 yrs as population in 3rd world nations burgeons and suffering and deprivation exceed humanity's ability to "cure."
All we can do is depend upon the old superstition that crossed fingers bring us luck.
I've got 'em crossed on both hands!
Qwark:
What on earth has this utter nonsense got to do with anything. If you are daft enough to swallow the idea that it is OK for the rich to step all over you in life because they will get what is coming to them after they die - that is your business.
Do some research woman.
You know I don't believe this rubbish - right?
Humans didn't come from monkeys, we both evolved from a related ancestor
Which ancestor might that be?
I never said we came from monkeys. I said we were related.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_o … _evolution
Dear me. No wonder you religionists cause so many wars.Did not read it then? Try this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape
It is not a specific person you know - like Adam. It is a family. And it was millions of years ago.
Oh - I see - I cannot introduce you personally, therefor Jesus is the son of god?
Little wonder your religion causes so many conflict.
You twist everything
Hardly know where to start ,so guess what I wont.
Its Sunday ,Im off to the flea market.
Elephant ears are so good ,specially coated with brown sugar
Well said, habee. In my original response to this OP, I was very specific in addressing what Christian love should be. I did not say that it was behavior exclusive to Christians, though there are those who felt that I did. I apologize to anyone I may have offended by implying in any way that non-Christians are not capable of love, compassion, etc... What I meant was that love/empathy/compassion are not instinctive for human beings and often requires a stepping above self that isn't always easy.
There are those who are flat out good people, and do not call themselves Christians. There are just as many evil Christians. Wear the label, fine, but if you can't live up to it, keep your mouth shut. Better yet, keep your mouth shut period, and let your actions speak for themselves.
I agree with you wholeheartedly on this one! Very nicely put.Cursing isn't better or finger pointing. It should be stated that if they act like that every day but not on Sunday, they simply aren't Christians.
If they act like a Christian they are Christians. Christians make mistakes, but if they repeat the same behaviour over and over. That's not Christian.
Matthew 7:3
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
~Jesus
Just saying..
Really not trying to be ugly. Sincerely.
God bless..
I don't think a lot of people love themselves in a way that is useful or meaningful to others.
Anything that asks for a criteria is not love, love is something we share by doing for others because we have real self love.
Sharing love is not some great deed, it is as easy as breathing!
Wanna show love??? Do the dishes!- I suppose that means my husband has a difficult time with this concept. You're right though. It's all about action. I've had that discussion a thousand times. I don't remember the song, but one came out here I absolutely loved. Something acapella if I remember. About never saying it, but showing it. They're only words otherwise.
Exactly! I described how children learn love on my hub. "love is a doing thing"
I have just returned from giving love to my little ones by reading a bedtime story, I gave some love to my daughter by helping to keep the house in shape, I gave love to my son, by helping him give love to his girlfriend by buying her a bike.
I have had a very loving day! So has my son
There isn't a SINGLE example of evolution.
Only species dying out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ex … xtinctions
All those dead species without a single "evolution" of ONE?
More like the opposite of evolution...By the way it shows 306 listed without even counting them. And that is only from four lists with most of the extinctions averaging within the last 2,000 years by your scientist's estimates.
The earth by your scientist's estimates is 4.54 billion years old.
At the rate of 306 species dying out every 2,000 years... (and probably more)
4.54 billion divided by 2,000 years is 2,270,000 . Times that by 306 species and you get 694,620,000.
That's 694.62 million species extinct by your scientist's numbers.
Here's a quote for you:
"The National Science Foundation’s “Tree of Life” project estimates that there could be anywhere from 5 million to 100 million species on the planet, but science has only identified about 2 million."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20109284/
So what your trying to tell me is that in the 4.54 billion years 694 million species have died out and there is only 100 million on the planet total?? And possibly a lot less???
And you still think your evolution holds value in rational logic?
At 100 million species on the planet and 306 dying out every 2,000 years...
(and again probably a lot less on earth than 100 million... and probably more dying out than 306 every 2,000 years - I'm being generous)
100,000,000 species divided by the 306 that die out you get 326,797...
Times that by every 2,000 years and you get 653,594,000.......
You mean that with at the rate of extinction formulated by your scientist's numbers the earth has been here for 4.54 billion years but life will only be able sustain itself for another 653 million years?
Shouldn't the number of species increase with time if evolution is true???
Yes.. It should. But it doesn't.
Because there are millions dying and none evolving...
Have a good one..I can understand why you attack God rather than address the point I made.
You have no reason to try to refute the fact that evolution isn't true.
And it wouldn't make sense anyway.Dear me.
Did the new ones appear by majik wen god sed?
Little wonder your religion causes so much hatred.Ahh, THIS is proof!
Why do you use drawings?
Why not pictures?
Of course, there was no-one around to take them gazillions of years ago.
VERY rational. Reality is not blissful. What gave you that idea? Reality just is.
Did god do the majik making new species appear when old ones died out?
They are well trained.
How about this then?
At least it's a picture, and not an illustration.
Was this US billions of years ago?
Or, will this be how big we'll get, it we follow your evolutionary chart on horses?Majik!
Dear me dj - no wonder your religion is responsible for so many wars.Dear me dj.
Would you mind answering the question? I know you do not understand why it is not physically possible for humans to grow this big, but still.
I have seen fossils. I have held them in my hand. I have touched petrified trees that no longer exist. There are millions of them scattered around the world. What is your explanation for the obvious extinction of species combined with the emergence of a new, more well developed, similar species around the same time frame?
This "Liars For Jesus" (TM) silly fake photo is what you base your faith on? Dear me - no wonder you need to start so many fights.And yet with all you've seen I guess it all stopped once you were born so you couldn't see evolution in action?
Or maybe it just stopped in the past 150 years yeah?
And you never addressed my above point about the number of extinctions there are.
You also didn't address the link dj provided for his evidence. The whole world's evidence from your very own secular research by the way..
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/thermodynamics.html
Here's some help:
"""" The Second Law of Thermodynamics, which is accepted as one of the basic laws of physics, holds that under normal conditions all systems left on their own tend to become disordered, dispersed, and corrupted in direct relation to the amount of time that passes. Everything, whether living or not, wears out, deteriorates, decays, disintegrates, and is destroyed. This is the absolute end that all beings will face one way or another, and according to the law, the process cannot be avoided.
This is something that all of us have observed. For example if you take a car to a desert and leave it there, you would hardly expect to find it in a better condition when you came back years later. On the contrary, you would see that its tires had gone flat, its windows had been broken, its chassis had rusted, and its engine had stopped working. The same inevitable process holds true for living things.
The second law of thermodynamics is the means by which this natural process is defined, with physical equations and calculations.
This famous law of physics is also known as the "law of entropy." In physics, entropy is the measure of the disorder of a system. A system's entropy increases as it moves from an ordered, organized, and planned state towards a more disordered, dispersed, and unplanned one. The more disorder there is in a system, the higher its entropy is. The law of entropy holds that the entire universe is unavoidably proceeding towards a more disordered, unplanned, and disorganized state.
The truth of the second law of thermodynamics, or the law of entropy, has been experimentally and theoretically established. All foremost scientists agree that the law of entropy will remain the principle paradigm for the foreseeable future. Albert Einstein, the greatest scientist of our age, described it as the "premier law of all of science." Sir Arthur Eddington also referred to it as the "supreme metaphysical law of the entire universe."
Evolutionary theory ignores this fundamental law of physics. The mechanism offered by evolution totally contradicts the second law. The theory of evolution says that disordered, dispersed, and lifeless atoms and molecules spontaneously came together over time, in a particular order, to form extremely complex molecules such as proteins, DNA, and RNA, whereupon millions of different living species with even more complex structures gradually emerged. According to the theory of evolution, this supposed process-which yields a more planned, more ordered, more complex and more organized structure at each stage-was formed all by itself under natural conditions. The law of entropy makes it clear that this so-called natural process utterly contradicts the laws of physics.
Evolutionist scientists are also aware of this fact. J. H. Rush states:
In the complex course of its evolution, life exhibits a remarkable contrast to the tendency expressed in the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Where the Second Law expresses an irreversible progression toward increased entropy and disorder, life evolves continually higher levels of order.365
The evolutionist author Roger Lewin expresses the thermodynamic impasse of evolution in an article in Science:
One problem biologists have faced is the apparent contradiction by evolution of the second law of thermodynamics. Systems should decay through time, giving less, not more, order.366
Another defender of the theory of evolution, George Stravropoulos, states the thermodynamic impossibility of the spontaneous formation of life and the impossibility of explaining the existence of complex living mechanisms by natural laws in the well-known evolutionist journal American Scientist:
Yet, under ordinary conditions, no complex organic molecule can ever form spontaneously, but will rather disintegrate, in agreement with the second law. Indeed, the more complex it is, the more unstable it will be, and the more assured, sooner or later, its disintegration. Photosynthesis and all life processes, and even life itself, cannot yet be understood in terms of thermodynamics or any other exact science, despite the use of confused or deliberately confusing language.367
As we have seen, the evolution claim is completely at odds with the laws of physics. The second law of thermodynamics constitutes an insurmountable obstacle for the scenario of evolution, in terms of both science and logic. Unable to offer any scientific and consistent explanation to overcome this obstacle, evolutionists can only do so in their imagination.For in stance, Jeremy Rifkin notes his belief that evolution overwhelms this law of physics with a "magical power":
The Entropy Law says that evolution dissipates the overall available energy for life on this planet. Our concept of evolution is the exact opposite. We believe that evolution somehow magically creates greater overall value and order on earth.368
These words well indicate that evolution is a dogmatic belief rather than a scientific thesis. """"
But that means that "the obvious extinction of species 'combined' with the emergence of a new, more well developed similar species" is in direct opposition to the very law of nature? wow..
And you will not find any evolution happening today. They've been looking REALLY HARD for decades.. I've followed the data.
Anyone can twist old bones onto a chart.
And at least his photo proved your crayon illustration was a cheap attempt at any kind of refutation.
"Jeremy Rifkin notes his belief that evolution overwhelms this law of physics with a "magical power"
How about "Liars For Satan"...
Dear me. It's no wonder you're all the time bringing up used up outdated theories...Dear me. Not going to refute nonsense - it has been done already. But - good cut and paste job. There are no contradictions in evolution. Nor has evolution stopped. It can be seen in action, and new species have been manipulated into being in a lab.
No wonder your religion causes so many wars.
"Liars for Jesus" (TM)But what about the horses? They haven't changed a inch in the past 150 years..
What happened to all that growth hormone you showed they had??Unlike your Invisible Super Being - nature is not so fast.
But - I see where you are coming from - I mean - if you have not seen it with your own eyes - it must be a lie right?
Oh - wait........................... Well it's understandable for you to provide an illustration with no proof.
So you are admitting they die out much more rapidly than they could ever evolve?
306 die in front of our eyes.. we see none evolve...
That means there should be no life on planet earth.... By your claims..Sorry you choose not to understand and instead attack knowledge. I know - it is scary learning stuff - I don't blame you for not bothering. Swallowing the majik pill is much, much easier. No work, no learning - nothink. Cut and paste some more biblical nonsense - I am sure that will make you feel better.
Sadly - this would be why your religion causes so many wars.
The laws of physics are not religion.
They are fact.
Nice attempt though.Here ya go..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy"The dominant view among scientists concerning the origin of anatomically modern humans is the "Out of Africa" or recent African origin hypothesis"
"This theory has been contradicted by recent evidence, although it has been suggested that non Homo sapiens Neanderthal genomes may have contributed about 4% of non-African heredity"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution
This means they still have no idea.
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Entitled - "" History of the term "Anthropogeny" ""
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropogeny
A definition of the word Anthropogeny and the origin of the "word."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
The word "theory" occurs 39 times in the making of this document.
The Laws of Physics are fact. Theories are not.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_descent
"Common descent" is just a branch off of the "evolution" link you provided.
More theories..
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And as for this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_evolution
You need to provide information on how this came into being:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prokaryote
For the rest to be considered valid as it contradicts the Law of Physics that has just prior been pointed out.
No not evolution, photoshop!
I have seen the horse pics before, they accurately portray sequence.
Here is some more simple information you may like to comment on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_horseI found another photo too..
Looks sorta like this one from your link huh?
The first one is a SHEEP... woww.. I guess that's where horses come from...
Fits right in the sequence portrayal too..
Yes. And yet the man is following his Bible as he should. Although Christ said it is not the healthy that need a physician but the sick, He also doesn't want us to be influenced by things opposite of what Jesus taught us to do.
1 Corinthians 15:33
33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
This means the same thing as bad apples spoil good apples. And how many apples does it take to spoil good apples? One can spoil an entire barrel.
I don't know his heart. But I know I have friends I dearly love that I can't hang out with because of the things they do. I tried once... I began to slip at the tongue... Do I still love them and others like them? YES.. I love them so much I'd die for both of them. (they're twins) There are some people who completely hate me, and I love them dearly as well. They are PEOPLE.. They don't agree with me and have hard feelings against me, but why shouldn't I love them because they choose something different? I separate myself for the most part but I never turn a cold shoulder to someone.
And Hell is real just as Jesus Christ taught it is, with descriptions such as "everlasting fire" and "everlasting punishment" (Matthew 25:46 ; 25:41 ; 18:8)
And with Hell being real it is NOT unloving to warn others about the torments of it.
If you knew there was a cliff at the end of a road and you seen people driving in the direction of the cliff would you not try to get their attention and stop them?
Is it unloving to warn people of danger that could hurt them? What if they tell you that you're unloving and there isn't a cliff down there when they stop and talk to you? And they tell you that you're crazy because they have a brand new map printed this year...
People don't want to hear about danger if they enjoy the scenery of the road they're driving on and get to make their own decisions. You're spoiling all their fun and they think that you're saying you're smarter than they are and know something they don't.
Take things how you want. Everyone else does. But Christians aren't unloving in what they do. Things are twisted about Christians a lot.
And they claim Christians do this and that and the other. But those people are not Christians unless they back up what they are doing with the scriptures they are to follow.
God bless..I think it is very loving to warn people of impending danger.
"Watch out for invisible fairies" doesn't seem like a warning I would respond to though."Most people know what they are doing is "wrong"...Pointing that fact out to them, tends to make them feel like they are being attacked or judged."
Dead on there DS..
They are going to be judged, and they don't like being told that. But not by any of us. There is only one judge..
Don't stick your religion to us in that case. You are clearly uneducated and not qualified to warn anyone of anything.
Please listen to me because I know what is best for you. I am much, much better educated than you. This is obvious. Do as I say. I am right. I know. You are ignorant.
Watch out!!!! Behind you !!!!!!!!!!!!!
This would be why your religion causes so many wars.Warnings are liable to show up in a forum designated for the people that believe in them..
Controlling little anti-Christ aren't you?Actually Vector, Mark has a philosophy. I was calling this the Religion and Belief forum, but Double Scorpion pointed out it is Religion and Philosphy. So, I guess Mark has as much right to be here as you do. But, since you think I'm Beelzebub I know you won't trust my word for it. Look at the top of your screen.
I looked at the top of my screen. I do believe it's the same in yours..
"
* All Forums
* Religion and Philosophy
* Christianity, the Bible and Jesus
* What is Christian Love
"
copy and paste.. I love it.
He doesn't need to come telling us not to say anything regarding our beliefs in a forum designated to OUR beliefs..
I don't think anyone even addressed him directly there..
That's absurd.. He should go to all the threads that are bashing God if he doesn't want to hear about the Christian Bible's teachings on God, Jesus, and Hell..
"But christian beliefs permeate our society. Some of these people feel ostracized and strangers in a strange land in their own country. Does this seem fair and equitable?"
That's funny....
No they don't.. They used to.. Christians catch more crap than anyone in this country right now.
Don't believe me go to youtube and look up a few religious videos..
Look at the comments and watch the atheists and agnostics pour on the slander and names...I will grant you there are three or four what I like to call fundamental atheists. But I'm really trying to understand what makes someone feel the need to go to those lengths. I do see emotion as the catalyst in some, but there are one or two here that I do believe consider their motives altruistic. Their tactics leave much to be desired. I don't know what the answers are, but I do know I believe in tolerance and there's precious little of that to be found here most of the time. And the problem is across the board. I've been unfair too. I've known when I did it, but most times I had a point. If someone is being difficult I'll give as good as I think they're giving. I know I've fretted you a time or two, and I'll probably do it again. I am simply a firm believer in the fact that we all have a lot to learn. If there were any firm truths the whole world would be on the same page.
Excellent point.
Well I reckon that would be right. If a tired old priest can do it.
We have such a person in our town. He gives his time to the poor and needy even though he is advanced in years.
Alright..when you put it like that; not wrapped around anyone's interpretation of anything, stands alone, kind of goofy sentiment; sure, love you too.
Speaking of love......
How nice and kind hearted of you to drop into a Christian forum just to twist our God and slander His name..
We appreciate all the love.. We see you don't hold a grudge or anything..
Plus.. Jesus Christ is alive.. If you say He isn't then what you just said was just cruel because then you believe our God didn't do that..
- Motown2Chitownposted 14 years ago0
Actually - you were the one that bought up evolution:
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/71883?page=3
I know that you are angry that science disproves your Invisible Super Being, but - could you not find something honest to say every now and then? It might cause less conflict.
Just sayin'
"Liars for Jesus"(TM)God loves you... I've already been through the refutation process on this thread..
You simply throw out what you don't like.. it can be seen above.
- brotheryochananposted 14 years ago0
Thanks to all brothers and sisters in Christ. God is wonderful and in my prayers are that he keep blessing you all in abundance according to His good word that lives in your hearts. Run the race beloved, the goal is so much worth the endevour.
I am edified by you.hahaha
obviously an antagonistic post
keep thinking about God and i hope you find the revelation you need.
If you need an answer to your question, follow beelzedads post and you may discover an urgency to go to disneyland also
When you hit "reply" or "post a reply", then you can use the formatting tools at the bottom of the box you are suppose to type into. Click on formatting tools and see what's available.
Well, I think this thread aptly demonstrates what Christian "love" is and the inevitable end result of the sharing of this "love."
Christ's definition went a little further..
He said greater love has no man than this.. That a man lay down his life for his friends.. [John 15:13] (paraphrased)Surely you wouldn't understand how a father would give his life to save his son from an attacker with a gun...
Because of how strongly he loves his son...
Wow.. simple principle huh?OP:
"What is Christian Love"
Definition of Christianity:
religion that follows Jesus Christ's teachings: the religion based on the life, teachings, and example of Jesus Christ
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Christiani … mp;sc=5-17
Christ's teaching:
John 15:13
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Hence.. Christian love.
If you don't like the correct answer then don't ask the question...I think Vector and Mark feel passion and it comes out in the way they squabble.
We could always blame testosterone and not God for a change.
I though this thread is about love...why are you fighting?
(I'm enjoying the smileys, though it's a "frown")This thread is about "Christian love." Hence the fighting.
You really don't like christianity
What if we create a thread "What is Atheist's love"
Do you think there would be some fighting?"Awww
So you are not a Warrior for Jesus? LOLOL
This would be why your religion causes so many wars.
My -how brave you are - unknown stranger hiding behind an Internet persona.
So brave of you. smile
LOLOLOLO"
So you encourage this?.. Mockery....
Didn't have to leave the thread either..
Some people just love to argue and divide.
Tell them the sky is blue ,they will say its grey.
Maybe it is,maybe it isnt.
Truth is -Its still a sky !But, that isn't what's really going on here, is it? In fact, what is happening is that believers are scouring the internet for whatever they can find that agrees with their beliefs and discredits science, or so they believe. When they find a site that says the second law of thermodynamics prohibits evolution, they'll post it as fact, and state that it is fact and that we deal with it.
Of course, it has been shown well beyond a shadow of a doubt that the very same believers possess little if no understanding at all of evolution or thermodynamics.
In other words, believers are the ones saying the sky is grey and calling it a fact.-
Whoa ,your statement sounded very paranoid.
If Im scouring the internet it sure as heck aint to look for
thermodynamics ,not unless youre describing the new spring arrivals for gladiator sandals
Actually if you go back and read what I said again, please note I said ,its not the colour thats relevant ,but the fact it is a sky!! glorious and completeI was responding to Beezle ,not sure who you are talking too ,and what exactly do ya mean?
responding to Beezle
I understand exactly what you wrote and it was nonsense.
These are your words:
You are stating quite emphatically that people love to argue and divide using an example that if you tell them one thing that is true, they will say something opposite just for the sake of arguing. That is very easy to understand.
And, that's why I responded to say that it is believers who actually state the opposite of something that is true, whether they do it because they love to argue and divide is another debate.
Mohamad is a false prophet? That what you're saying paar? I'm ready to listen.
why are you saying everytime about the same father and sons stoy.In Quaran so many things are there that all cant digest.No one is qoting those things here..
You mean adaptation? That wouldn't be part of the most amazingly designed machine ever built would it?
We do self repair too ya know.. Maybe there is some insight.
Think your car is going to fix that dent?
Of course there will be changes.. Weren't we designed to learn? Obviously? How is that different from small adaptations? We change something by personal choice, and our kids are like us.. Our traits become theirs.
That doesn't constitute growing gills... Or an extra eye...
What is your evidence that he majikally came back to life? Or even existed?
You are part of that evidence Mark, fearfully and wonderfully made.
Surely even you cannot deny that.
Call it magic ,call it whatever you like ,but you are the evidence!
Amen
That's a very nice definition of love.
Wonderful. Please take it up with the most influential and powerful person in history who taught it. The Son of God..
I'm but a humble follower doing as I'm told. We all choose to follow one thing or another, as we weren't the first to live here.
I also use other teachings along with such verses to guide me. And they are against Christ.. just look at this forum and tell me the ones that don't believe in Christ being the Son of God aren't against Him..
It's understandable that many would disagree on such a simple thing Christ says. They try to use His words out of context all the time.
I'm not explaining the whole issue though, because like many of these people have said the Bible is there to search for themselves.
And they beg me not to post scripture and plus I don't have time for such a large lesson. So they get what they want this time..
Please do consult the rest of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John before condemning Christ Jesus' words..
I didnt know that Scorp-makes sense.
Help Yaself y'alloh my, those look yummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmy!
pass the butter and call me glutton, err gluten...
James.
I can tell you what love isn't.
Love isn't someone telling you they love you despite that they think they are better than you are, as they have the truth cos they read it in a magic book and you don't have the capacity to understand it or are unable to read it to draw your own conclusions!How many times do you people need to be told that some people are hypocrites?
God will sift the liars that claim Christ when they stand in front of Him..
You should know a man that doesn't play in the NBA but says so is a liar..
In the same way IT IS NOT HARD to recognize someone who ISN'T following the Bible..
If people would use some logic instead of being hateful toward Christ they would see who follows Christ and who doesn't.
Not sure I should be flattered Im being analysed or not ,aww ok I am
Yep I wrote one hub( the one Mark is refering too) ,months ago now and it was something on my heart.
I felt and still do quite strongly that children (and adults) should be offered all kinds of education for the betterment of society.
In a nutshell ,but not limited too ,I also feel the 10 Commandments are reasonable standards to live by.
I mean 10 laws. Come on.
Without them ,well the news is full of effect of no/low morals etc.
Some people didnt like my views ,some did.
Tis the way the cookie crumbles dont ya think.
Child Abuse -Mark you are quite silly to suggest that.
( I was an advocate against Sexually abused children in NZ) and believe me ,those acts are committed by sick individuals ,who say all kinds of crap to justify their heinous acts)Jc
Thanks for taking the time to express your views.
You are correct. Our pledge does say one nation under god but, not to be rude, I'd prefer those of us who live, and vote, here determine how we will handle this.
No I dont think youre rude, and I hope you dont think Im rude by responding how confusing that 'tokenism' is to new residents
Kinda like God is in the house ,kinda ,sorta lol
But yep,if a politician said it ,probably is suspect.
I also dont doubt for a second that non-beleivers have morals or a good standard of living ,but my hub at the time was saying ,look people (all of us) the moral fences are down, whether we call in sin or crime its all getting worse.
We need accountability.
Everyone knows this, mankind always seems to need some kind of reforming and while we play in the sandpit and whine and throw hissy fits ,nothing much changes in reality.
I play well with others and if they dont love God or reject anything that hints of religion,thats ok too. I like people and 99% time find other things to yak about
Edit: I take your point about Montessori ,I guess Ive always been involved with my childrens early education and some primary (elementary) because I enjoyed seeing and helping them learn, my passion was working with special needs ,but since streamlining spec.ed into mainstream schools, I could quite happily achieve both.
My kids are adult kids now ,enjoy University and a wide range of interests.
We have lively discussions about EVERYTHING from time to time ,including religion.
So,sure they were involved in Sunday school,and taught all the things I hoold special in my heart ,but I also encouraged them to learn many things ,for accepting Christ is a personal one and it would be wrong to force or coerce my kids to think just like me ( God helps us all ,if they did) trust me they dont ,but they are caring individuals and think outside the square on many issues.
kiwi, I love your response. Very good points.
Thankyou W.O.C you indeed are loved and appreciated.
Just curious made some good points earlier ,that didnt come out right ,she often does ,and it was so refreshing to commuincate without the usual jeers and repeated insults..You are welcome kiwi.
Yes I noticed. I am happy you felt refreshed. I appreciate you also. God bless you.
The 10 commandments are biblical doctrines and can be studied along with the other mythical religions and superstitions.
The fact that you believe they are reasonable standards to live by does not mean they should be taught in schools as such.
No, the news is not full of the effect of those commandments, that is pure hearsay on your part.No, there are laws. There is no lawlessness, as you put it. Certainly, there is a very small minority of the population that break laws.
But, I do understand that you would like biblical laws to rule our world and be taught in schools. Yeah, I get that.
Everything you say is hearsay Beelzebub.
And it's it's easy to rip off the original author and try to write a similar story and mix things up by passing them through word of mouth as well.
I suppose you never realized this? Then again. You hold true to your "faith" in atheism. You have a religion.. I know you don't want to admit it, it's ok...
Keep mixing those words up and make yourself look good now ok?Really? Does that include when you are exposed and caught in a lie?
Beelzedad wrote:
Matthew 15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
Leviticus 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
Exodus 21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
Proverbs 1:8-9 My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother: 9 For they shall be an ornament of grace unto thy head, and chains about thy neck.
Proverbs 20:20 Whoso curseth his father or his mother, his lamp shall be put out in obscure darkness.
Proverbs 30:17 The eye that mocketh at his father, and despiseth to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it.
Looks like I have a lot of murdering to do! We don't have any young eagles to eat my children's eyeballs though. will gulls do?
The bible has such lovely things in it to "instruct" children!. You've got an amazing talent to continuously post the same thing repetitively..
This is the extent of your argument. Hence the billion posts of the same material..Like I said. It has been addressed whether it be to your or my satisfaction is not the issue.
The repetitiveness of the material you post on every forum regardless of the OP is the issue.
You are beating dirt, as the dead horse you were beating has rotted to nothing and you're still attempting to beat it..
You should write a hub and copy and paste that in it and link to it every time you post.
Then you wouldn't take up so much thread space on chewed up information.And aren't these:
"Looks like I have a lot of murdering to do! We don't have any young eagles to eat my children's eyeballs though. will gulls do?"
Snide/sarcastic remarks..
Which were made by you?As you can clearly see, I was addressing the meaning of the scripture.
No, they were made by your bible!
I just commented on all the love that was displayed in it.
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