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Finding God within

  1. lovetherain profile image53
    lovetherainposted 3 weeks ago

    "The kingdom of God is within you"

    What does this mean?

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
      Kathryn L Hillposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      It means its not without you  lol!

      1. lovetherain profile image53
        lovetherainposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Have you found God within, Kathryn?

    2. Jewels profile image82
      Jewelsposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Your entire perception comes from within.  Absolutely everything is a work of self realisation.  Nothing can be done to you that you don't have a responsibility for and a reaction to.  Finding God within is the same as finding the God inside you that is revealed.  You become a person of higher consciousness as a result of opening to higher states of being - you could say God is this higher state of consciousness.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        For some reason this post/reply is confusing to me, Jewels.  Just today I was bemoaning my fate. I was blaming God for everything. I feel like a victim. And its all His doing. Even the fact that I was born a woman and given the responsibility of having the ability to give birth. I do not remember choosing this ability and do not even remember choosing to be born.

        But anyway, thanks for wandering by.

        1. Jewels profile image82
          Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          One of the traps of spiritual work, or religious teachings is that if you look outside of yourself for answers, you will also look outside of yourself to blame anything that is not to your liking or that does not serve you.  Your perception of reality also includes your actions, your reactions and responses.  Everything that happens in your reality gives you the opportunity of responding.  How you do that determines your life.  It is ALL within you.  You are the one who navigates through it.  The more you align to the integrity of what is called 'God" or a higher consciousness and knowhow that you have, the better your reality is.  Everything that throws you to an external world via your senses and reaction is of your own making.  You become a victim by not taking ownership or responsibility of your life.  Collectively we are not doing a good job of this!  Or so it would seem if you look at the state of the world.  Spiritual teachings are a guide.  Nothing and no one will do the job for you.  This is the essence of free will.  You can be helped, but at the end of the day, you do the living (or not).

        2. Monica Vats profile image61
          Monica Vatsposted 13 days ago in reply to this

          Have this belief that whatever happens..happens for good. Its just that we are too naive to understand..but somewhere it is for good.

    3. Jaxxi profile image61
      Jaxxiposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      This means that if you are one of Gods chosen people then you will feel the calling and just "know". If you are seeking, keep knocking. He will open the door for you. Anyone can find God, if they are sincere in their quest. When you find Him, there is no mistaking it. Christians and God lovers are not crazy people needing to believe in something so bad that they are making it up, or believing in fairies, they have been shown just how REAL He is and it is an amazing feeling.

  2. Live to Learn profile image81
    Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago

    Think about Jesus. He knew, as a child, the reason for the law. Think about his words. Love God, love your neighbor as yourself and all law is fulfilled.

    I think we have the ability to fulfill all law above and below and if we could be the embodiment of those commandments, truly the embodiment, then we would be a true image of the kingdom of God and one with God. But, the only way to reach that point is looking within, not without.

    1. lovetherain profile image53
      lovetherainposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      How do you look within?

      1. Live to Learn profile image81
        Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        My opinion is once you understand the reason for the law you examine your motives for your actions. Attempt to reach the point where all thoughts and actions begin from the point of love and compassion. Replace selfish with selfless. Actions begin with thoughts from within. It's our thoughts which set the stage to create conflict in ourselves and with others.

        1. lovetherain profile image53
          lovetherainposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          What does that have to do with finding God?

          1. Live to Learn profile image81
            Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            What do you mean by find God?

            1. lovetherain profile image53
              lovetherainposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              The Bible states "The kingdom of God is within you"

              What does this mean?

              I take this to mean this is about finding God within yourself.

              I have found God within myself. I suspect others have too. And thus the Bible verse.

              1. Live to Learn profile image81
                Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                But the verse speaks of the kingdom of God, not God. I suppose we simply interpret the meaning differently.

                1. lovetherain profile image53
                  lovetherainposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  What is the kingdom of God, if not His dwelling place?

                  1. Live to Learn profile image81
                    Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    I don't know. Does the Queen of England dwell within her whole kingdom, or Buckingham Palace?

                  2. Live to Learn profile image81
                    Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Just wanted to add. Think about what God's kingdom would be like. I envision love and harmony. The individual can achieve that.

      2. Jewels profile image82
        Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        "How do you look within?" you asked.  Go inside yourself.  Sit with yourself, by yourself.  No sounds, no external stimuli.  Find the true essence of you without any judgements, no thoughts.  Deconstruct all untruths that were impressed on you and have become beliefs that do not serve you.  Do not look outside of yourself for any gratification.  Be with yourself and that is where you will find what you've always been looking for. 

        But before you get to the good bits, you will have to overcome your emotions and figure our what feelings really are.

        (The true and original meaning of meditation is to go beyond thoughts and be with the Higher Self.  It is a higher state of consciousness beyond the little ego.)  There is no rational mind there either, it's a state of being not a state of thinking.  You are conscious of the state but you do not have to think in that state.  It is beyond bliss.  Today there are many forms of meditation that perhaps will not take you to this state of silence, self centeredness and Being.)  These states of stillness and silence gives you a taste of alignment to 'Gods Kingdom"  I personally don't use those terms.

  3. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 weeks ago

    kingdom = realm. It is a realm of pure spirit. Pure spirit is love/bliss. it is the essence of our beings and all life.

    To experience God is to be accepted into the realm of Spirit which can occur when we are 100 percent willing to go "home" to Spirit. When we are no longer attached to life on earth and desire with body, heart, mind and soul to return to Spirit/ God/Kingdom of Heaven, "God" will bring you unto "Him." (Yoga, means union) It a realm experienced by our consciousness. The kingdom of heaven is not on earth as perceived by the five senses. It is not found on the material plane, but on the spiritual plane, through intuition.

    Nirvana
    nirvana noun
    paradise, heaven; bliss, ecstasy, joy, peace, serenity, tranquility; enlightenment.

    1. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      I don't know. If you think about the person who made the statement and the circumstances surrounding him being in a position to be heard, his actions and behavior....I'm not certain the statement involved such an insular experience.

      Were the statement attributed to someone like the Dalai Lama, whose religion involves long periods of meditation, I'd agree.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        huh? Nirvana is a word, not a person!
        ????

        1. lovetherain profile image53
          lovetherainposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Yeah, I'm confused too.

        2. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          roll

          The point is Jesus wasn't speaking of an insular experience primarily because that definition isn't supported by any portion of his works or ministry. God reached out to mankind with love and compassion. That represents the manifestation of the spiritual plane within the material plane. We have the kingdom of God within us and we are meant to emulate Christ by approaching the material plane in the same manner, if we can use his teaching to reach the same level he was while walking the earth.

          Everyone talks of finding God as if it would raise them to a higher level of consciousness but if our inter actions with others don't show evidence of God's love within them we haven't found anything of spiritual value.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
            Kathryn L Hillposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            yes ... it takes a certain amount of innovation to manifest the kingdom of God on earth... as Jesus taught us to pray:

            Dear, "Father in Heaven,"
            Your kingdom comes as Your Will is done
            On Earth as it is in Heaven.


            How can we do His will in our Own way?

            The possibilities are endless! smile

            1. Live to Learn profile image81
              Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              This is a very good point.

    2. Jewels profile image82
      Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      I wouldn't use the term intuition to experience these states.  To me those states are experiences.  They are sublime and very tactile.  So intuition does not come into it for me. 

      Jesus was an example, or he is the myth that is the example of how a normal man could attain high states of being.

  4. cheaptrick profile image74
    cheaptrickposted 3 weeks ago

    It means one of two things;God is a really Tiny dude if he can fit his whole kingdom inside you...or...Some goat herder a few thousand years ago ate the wrong plant,started hallucinating some weird stuff,and wrote it down...Hmm...which one seems more likely?

    1. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      That's a lot of goat herders, eating the same plant over hundreds of years, having the same 'hallucinations' and writing books about the experience. How likely is that?

      1. cheaptrick profile image74
        cheaptrickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Much more likely than the bullshit you religionists are slinging at the world...you must have an endless supply...

        1. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Said the kettle.

          smile

  5. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    "You could say God is a higher state of consciousness ..." What state of consciousness am I? A lower one!? How come? How come I am not already a person of/with higher state of consciousness?

    Maybe you further could explain this sentence.
    "Finding God within is the same as finding the God inside you that is revealed."

  6. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    What do YOU, Jewels, mean by "God?"

    1. Jewels profile image82
      Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      I never use the term God.  It is a loaded concept full of religious dogma and beliefs.  I can sense a hierarchy of sorts, like different levels which requires an expansion of states of consciousness.  There is an opening of oneself to these experiences, with the use of discernment and knowing.  It is not something that is done to me.  I am part of the process.  The feelings of love are beyond the human realms.  Divine experiences is what I prefer to say.  But even then it's not enough to describe what's happening.  It is not something that is being done to me.  It is something I am a part of.  And without my participation and expansion it would not happen.  The opposite state would be closing.  Closing to possibilities of enormous states of love.
      These experiences are not intellectual, they are tactile.  Love in this instance is not something you do, it is something you be.

  7. Castlepaloma profile image26
    Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago

    I like Jewels concept.
    Or
    life is upon a dream in the imagination of ourselves.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      uh not really ….  I did not design myself.
      I don't even understand how my body, brain, mind functions!!!! These are in some sort of working order
      based on what?
      not imagination!

  8. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    and I do not remember wanting to be here.
    and by the way ….
    why am I?

    all roads have lead to nowhere. Certainly not to the "within."

    1. lovetherain profile image53
      lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      Are you happy?

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        I suppose I am happy that I exist! The alternative is not appealing at all.

        1. lovetherain profile image53
          lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          That's good:)

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
            Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Maybe life equals freedom: No matter how little we have, thats enough for most. No freedom = no will to live.

    2. Jewels profile image82
      Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      Maybe all the roads so far have been going in the wrong direction.  Again if there are roads that are going outside of yourself, you will not find what you are looking for.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        Well, isn't that the truth! Especially the road most people revere the most: The public education system!!!!!!!! And this is where I have been working the hardest to fit in! Oh, how I suffer in that system! Only the $$ keeps me there. If I had absolute faith in Holy MTO I would quit! today! I am so afraid to fly away from my nest/security. I want to start my own school. I meet so many wonderful people and teachers I could bring on board as teachers/mentors in my school, New Direction Education. It would facilitate students' abilities to go "within" where true interest percolates. Intrinsic motivation would be utilized allowing students to teach themselves via didactic teaching materials in an environment created especially for them. (This is truly the new direction for education which is occurring little by little.)

        1. Jewels profile image82
          Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          Steiner and Montessori schools are doing what they can, but more would be good.  It's so necessary.
          You can take smaller steps without having to quit your existing life.  I've gone from a corporate job to being self employed as a therapist, motivator and meditation instructor and doing full on spiritual work.  It takes guts for sure, but it's doable.  Not doing it would have meant a slow death.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
            Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Do You believe in the Holy Spirit … The force that is so "big" it can actually help us? I do. I have seen this invisible force work. I believe if we help ourselves, Holy MTO kicks in! Thanks for the tip to start small. We have to do the work. Yes. Down to the emth detail. Maybe I need to focus on details more. Such as, start my own Montessori-style day care and get the permits, licenses, insurances, etc.

            1. Jewels profile image82
              Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              Go for it............and may the force be with you!

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
                Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                big_smile

  9. Castlepaloma profile image26
    Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago

    Evolution and your parents had alot to do with your make up to start with. Then  most of your makeup afterwards came from within. Everything you have achieved in your entire lifetime was all once imagined from evolution to parents to you.

    1. lovetherain profile image53
      lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      imagined by whom?

      1. Castlepaloma profile image26
        Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        I know I am not an inmortal jellyfish where a tentacle was chop and a mini me just continued for 600 million years.
        Or
        Transform from an anicent book of univerial truth and knowledge. Ripped off from many other older fairtytale stories of anicent cultures/religion. Mistranslated on up to hypnotized peoples minds like Hollywood and politics today.

        Humans evolved through reproduction. I once was a romantic thought by my parents. They rise me by everything they imagined me to be until my imagination matured into my own destiny achieved by dreams and imagination.

        1. lovetherain profile image53
          lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          I have no idea what all that is supposed to mean.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image26
            Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            I am what I think. There for,  you are what you think. All pass down from each generation to generation.

            We are not who we obey, like any greedy crazy wizard of Oz can do. They works on our fears rather than our dreams and what we love.

            1. lovetherain profile image53
              lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              No, I am not what I think. I am what I am. I don't get to pick who and what I am. I evolved as a human according to God's plan.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image26
                Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                So God made you,  you are what God thoughts you are. You had no thought process involved or imagination to create your own evolution of self from all evolution process that most people agree upon even the Pope.

                Did God forgot to give you a brain to think for yourself.

                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  God gave me no direction. yes a brain but no instructions on what to do with it.

                  1. Live to Learn profile image81
                    Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Life would be so much easier if it came with an owner's manual.

                  2. lovetherain profile image53
                    lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    God gave us a conscience, which is some sort of direction.

                    I think God wants us to figure this thing called "life" out for ourselves.

                2. lovetherain profile image53
                  lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  You are the only one who thinks "imagination" is a part of evolution. Please quote the POPE ever saying this.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image26
                    Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Pope Francis declared evolution and the big bang theory is real.

                    It took his imagination to think that one up. Most people on earth agree with him on that, anyways. Give it up! more people believe in Aliens, Evolution and even big foot than Yahweh.

                  2. Castlepaloma profile image26
                    Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Don't believe me.

                    Google imagination and from guotes of great men throughout human history.

              2. Jewels profile image82
                Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                You said "I am not what I think. I am what I am. I don't get to pick who and what I am. I evolved as a human according to God's plan."
                Descartes said "I think therefore I am."  How about, I am therefore I think.  And because you think and you have been given freewill to make choices, YOU are responsible for your thoughts and your actions.  You create your reality every minute of the day, and you do become the reality of what you are thinking and believe.   It is 'God's will that you have free will.'  Mind you, what the heck is God anyway?  Continually you speak of God as a human presence.  That in itself is quite limiting.  A higher being is in charge of your destiny?  YOU are in charge of your destiny.  When you finally understand this and walk forward knowing YOU are responsible for your life and your thoughts and your actions, you will find the place where happiness is.  Every time you are pulled out of your SELF toward an external influence you run the risk of losing integrity.  No-one can make you happy - it's an inside job.

                When you or anyone says God is in charge of my destiny, you have immediately disempowered yourself.  You must align yourself, not give yourself over.

                1. lovetherain profile image53
                  lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  I haven't "given myself over"

                  I fight every day to assert my free will.

                2. lovetherain profile image53
                  lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  "Continually you speak of God as a human presence."

                  I do not . I speak of God as a person, which he is.

                  You don't have to be a human to be a person.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image26
                    Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Corperations is a persons too, legally. Why can't a religion be a coperation ?

    2. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      I love the thought of a couple of birds sitting in a nice warm spot in the winter, shooting the breeze, when one chirps up and says 'This is great. Let's embed it in our DNA so all subsequent generations will just come here naturally, without being shown the way.'

      Birds are the bomb. Why can't we be more like them?

      1. lovetherain profile image53
        lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        Yeah, it's the same with all instincts. How does a spider know how to build an elaborate web, with that tiny brain? Why do mammals automatically know to take care of their young? It's just "instinct" of course.

      2. Castlepaloma profile image26
        Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        The evolutions from dinosaurs to birds therory of natural history. Makes more scientific and better story sense than white bearded man in the sky making the Universe and everything in it..

        1. lovetherain profile image53
          lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          "white bearded man in the sky" is a strawman,. No theist believes that.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image26
            Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            What about the painting of :Creation and Adam... on the sistine chapel.

            1. lovetherain profile image53
              lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              It is a representation of an incorporeal being. Why don't you actually ask theists what they believe instead of making stuff up?

              1. Castlepaloma profile image26
                Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                Asking a theist from all their wrong translations and false statements and exsaggerations truth. Then taking all this from their anicent books, is a road to ruin and delustion. There anwers are not good enough or you have to have blind faith to actually believe them. Too bad the world  mass is 99 % unknown to all of us. It give lience to lie about anything.

                You sure your not religious?

                1. lovetherain profile image53
                  lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  When did I say I wasn't religious? I thought it was obvious and clear I am a theist.

        2. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          Still a very large percentage of unexplained gaps left in our understanding.

  10. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    Freedom is essential to happiness.

    1. lovetherain profile image53
      lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      Do you mean free will? Or do you mean something else by freedom?

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        well, we agreed the birds siting on the wire were "wired" to return, but we do not have such wiring in our DNA. So yes, we have free will to a huge extent. Many will argue this point, but its pretty obvious we have free will in that we are not programed in the least. But we are born with certain inclinations based on MANY factors of our birth, heritage and parents/environment. Still we all/each one of us (humans) rise or sink according to how we use our free wills.

        1. lovetherain profile image53
          lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          Humans have instincts, just like birds.

          The question for me is "where do these instincts come from"?

          My best answer is that they are given to us by God. It's not in our dna I don't think.

          And we as humans do have free will, we are able to overcome our instincts if we try.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
            Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            hmmmmm…mmmmm

            1. lovetherain profile image53
              lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              Do you disagree?

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
                Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                I think I do.

  11. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    which goes back to why I have freedom.
    Who gave me freedom?
    Thank You … I guess!?

  12. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    lets find out out how CP became so enlightened first .. before endlessly discussing the nature of instincts!!!!

    1. lovetherain profile image53
      lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      Seriously? You think CP is enlightened? Why?

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        Because he says he is. .. I mean he insists he is smarter than the average Joe in regards to truth.

        1. lovetherain profile image53
          lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          I highly doubt he is enlightened. Do you think his behavior is like Buddha's?

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
            Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            I am asking him so we can get to the nature of enlightenment and the nature of heaven within. The question is, will he answer?

            1. lovetherain profile image53
              lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              I am sure enlightened people do not insult others. They have learned that we are all ONE.

            2. Jewels profile image82
              Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              You need to define what Enlightenment is.  To different streams it has different meaning.  And even then - it is often a nebulous concept.

  13. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    Instincts vs willful indulging in Sense Centers

    1. lovetherain profile image53
      lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      Please elaborate. I don't know what you mean.

  14. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    Instincts are nervous system drivers. Yes, we human mothers nurse our young, but in all actuality, many mothers do not choose to. So, even nursing is not an instinct. Some find it pleasurable and it helps them feel greater love for their child …   a conscious choice to nurse or not nurse.

    1. Jewels profile image82
      Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      There is a brilliant piece of writing called Subtle Bodies that gives a model of the human condition.  I think I've mentioned it to you before.  There is a break up of the organic versus the intelligent and emotional sides of us.  We are such complex beings.  We have much in common with plants and animals and can learn from the effects of the organic and plant kingdom on us.  The organic would take instincts and sensual indulgences and place them in differing but similar layers of the life force that is in each human.  Then there is the layer of thoughts and emotions.  But the organic has an intelligence too - a knowhow which includes instincts.  It would be the influence of the thoughts and emotions on this organic level that could determine a mother's choice as to whether she wanted to nurse or not to nurse, or even whether a woman wanted to have children at all.  In this model therefore you would have an interaction between the organic and thoughts which creates determinants.  Will can become difficult depending on organic influences and emotional influences.  In many scenarios the will is defeated by organic pollution, and then emotional pollution on top - think of junk food and addiction as an example.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        Got Cha! Thanks Jewels!
        I have heard that you never loose your sense of I AM. You become expanded in regards to consciousness. You pull ALL in to You. Now what the ALL actually is, is what we are wondering here, I believe.
        All = heaven / bliss.
        I guess it is a state of love and pure awareness: 
        no emotions,
        no desires,
        no attachments
        no animosities
        no greed

        Q. Would Jesus agree and did he address this ideal in his teachings as recorded and preserved in The Bible?

        1. Jewels profile image82
          Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          Definitely expanded in regards to consciousness.  Some states you lose consciousness but this is because you've not built the structure to hold these states. Often you fall asleep when you go deep within.  The discipline is to stay conscious and then have an awareness.  The standpoint of I AM stays and pure awareness the higher you go is extraordinary.  Higher = more inward.

          I gave up answering bible quotes long long ago because most people take it on the material and non involuted state.  When you do spiritual work (inner work) the answers are also within, you apply teachings to your own experiences.  The quote "The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light." (Matthew 6:22)  refers to going inward and finding the light within.  When you reach higher inner states  you become full of light.  Everything in the external world drops away.  You are not pulled out by the senses, you are not pulled by lower ego dross.  When you can be in a state of the Self without being hit by external influences while walking in the world, your life will change dramatically.  Happiness and joy become available as a matter of being.  It is not something you do.  Just like Love is not something you do, it is something you be.  The light within is akin to love, or fire is a term used in spiritual texts.  When someone loves you (if that love is true, and real), you receive it from the part of them that emits it.  Otherwise it is just words and there is no tactile experience.  You don't have to believe love, you must experience it.

          From what I see Jesus represented a human who walked the talk.  He was on a quest for enlightenment and succeeded.  He showed the way, meaning he wanted his disciples, which is all of humanity, not just 12 people, to do the same.  And when there is reference to being saved, this is in the context of an awakening where you see that you also can do what he did.  And it is possible and many are doing it.  But it will not be done for you, otherwise free will would not be on the menu.

          There is a set of books by Paramahansa Yogananda called the Second Coming of Christ. The Resurrection of the Christ Within You.  It is a commentary on the original teachings of Jesus.  So much of the bible makes sense when you are doing spiritual work.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
            Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Now what about cancer? Do you think those afflicted brought it upon themselves? Do you think it is Karma or just a bad diet?

            1. Jewels profile image82
              Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              Effectively it's a blockage of qi at a deep level.  The causes can be karmic or bad diet, bad physical environment, bad attitude, genetic because of parent's environment.

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
                Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                oh! Thank you so much Jewels!!! My nephew has cancer (as per the other thread I created) His mother is rather controlling. His father is very positive and happy, but has allowed his wife to dominate on a psychologically controlling level: She wants everything to appear perfect. Here is an example of needing to recover from childhood influences. He is relgious, but perhaps needs to become spiritual. What would you advise?

                1. Jewels profile image82
                  Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  I can't give advice here.  The person afflicted needs to see the self-destruction that is going on within.  If part of that self destruction is aligning to his mother's control then that is part of what needs to change.  There are likely belief systems involved and they would need to be dealt with too.  It's usually not a simple process

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Yes. Hopefully his wife is not of the same mind set.
                    "Everything is just PERFECT!!!!" (In denial about shortcomings)

                    Thanks for the insights!

          2. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
            Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Paramahansa explains that Jesus was already enlightened. He was not on a quest but already self-realized. He came, I believe, to bring about higher consciousness: A mission from God.

            1. Jewels profile image82
              Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              The higher parts of us are enlightened already.  It is when we walk as humans down here that  things get tough.  Have a read of the Emerald Tablet, it speaks in essence of this separation of our own consciousness and the bringing of it back together.  It is no different to what Jesus had to do.

              1. Jewels profile image82
                Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                Even Enlightened Masters walking down here can get lost, stuff up and mess up their trajectory big time.  No guarantees.

                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  That he maintained his connection to MTO on the cross says a lot! And then it was over. He maintained til the end, but almost lost it didn't he ... when he said, "Why have You forsaken me!!!"

              2. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
                Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                Thanks smile

        2. lovetherain profile image53
          lovetherainposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          You must mean no emotions except love.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
            Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            hmmmm … is love an emotion or a state of being?

            1. Castlepaloma profile image26
              Castlepalomaposted 13 days ago in reply to this

              Love is my God and Nature is my Religion and nothing has ever changed that from the beginning of existence of Man.

              Most people believe man existence began 200,000 years ago. No religion was ever been imagine untill 50,000 years ago. The closest thing to God has been based on each individual imagination then collectively evoled co-in-cide or coincidenually through collective consciouness.

            2. lovetherain profile image53
              lovetherainposted 13 days ago in reply to this

              An emotion of course.

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
                Kathryn L Hillposted 13 days ago in reply to this

                I don't know …..

                1. lovetherain profile image53
                  lovetherainposted 13 days ago in reply to this

                  You don't? If you had no serotonin or dopamine released into your body, would you feel love?

                  What is a "state" of love like?

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image26
                    Castlepalomaposted 13 days ago in reply to this

                    Love is beyond humans imaginations and our concept of God. For God is based from our imagination. When the earth"s mass is 99% unknown to all human species. There 30 million species that love and even plants do not grow well without love. Babies and old people die  without Love, It"s beyond emotions it is what glues every living creature in the Universe together.

              2. Jewels profile image82
                Jewelsposted 13 days ago in reply to this

                Love is not an emotion.  It is a state of Being where the feeling is emitted.  There is a separation required between what emotions and feelings are to be able to discern the difference here.

                1. lovetherain profile image53
                  lovetherainposted 13 days ago in reply to this

                  What do you mean by a state of being?

                  And how do the chemicals like dopamine, serotonin and estrogen fit in to all this?

                  1. Jewels profile image82
                    Jewelsposted 13 days ago in reply to this

                    I have answered this several times in questions asked by Kathryn in this same topic. 
                    Love is not chemical, it's not organic.  Feeling good, feeling nice, brings about readings of chemical levels. 
                    Love is a whole different ball game when you are speaking in spiritual terms.  Ekhart Tolle speaks often about BEING.  Spiritual gurus of high dimension speak about the states of being and states of bliss.  It is not something you DO, it is something you align with.  You could say that's a doing, but paradoxically it is by being that you align.
                    When you study consciousness and spiritual awakening and are able to open to high levels you can experience these states.  This opening is an experience, it is not intellectual.
                    There have been tests done on long term meditators where chemical readings make an 80 year old appear like a 30 year old on paper, ie that's what the data reveals.  Meditation changes your chemistry, ie it changes the organic nature of the body.  It frees it from stress and external influences that create chemical imbalances.  This is real meditation, not just relaxation practices - though they also help.

  15. Rod Alan Baker profile image60
    Rod Alan Bakerposted 2 weeks ago

    Great Read!

  16. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    Enlightenment is a state of knowing the pure truth which is a combination divine Love and Intelligence.
    That's my definition.
    The name of "God" for me, is Mighty Triple O: Omnipresent, Omniscient, Omnipotent Spirit. (I would assume MTO is "Holy Spirit" according to Jesus.) Okay fine, Holy MTO. smile

  17. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    Self-construction would be part of freedom!

    1. Jewels profile image82
      Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      Deconstruction so you can find the Self.  Reconstruction to be the real you in the world.  The sad thing is that we are living in a society where freedom is a dubious term.  But emotional freedom is a huge endeavour.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        Freedom of will within boundaries.  The purpose of boundaries is to maintain freedom. Some (people) maintain boundaries for the wrong reasons. In the end, their boundaries make no sense.

  18. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    The will is to the soul what the heart is to the body.

    1. Jewels profile image82
      Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      Except some people's hearts are very corrupted and are not a good barometer to use.  There often needs to be work done on this to see what is the real heart of a person.  Sorry to be finding kinks but it's part of the process.  At the end of the day Will is the most important trait for mind, and body and it is a given for the spirit.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        They are corrupted with selfishness.
        With sense enslavement.
        With pride
        With outer orientation.

        With  … its too dreadful to go on !!!!

        1. Jewels profile image82
          Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          grief, hopelessness.............

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
            Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            sheer laziness

            1. Jewels profile image82
              Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              laziness has two sides, organic sloth, or total loss of hope (why bother mentality).  The will is squashed which is a major cause of depression.

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
                Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                Yes. two sides.
                the will must become activated by … ?

                1. Jewels profile image82
                  Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  The light of the higher self is the normal answer to that.  A human needs to have a reason for its existence, and often mundane earthly reasons are not enough.  There is a leading of the spirit that is needed.  Not easy when there is a loss of hope.

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    why is there a loss of hope? hope of what? happiness? whatever it is you want? So many do not want peace on earth! why not?

  19. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    when we (humans) are not living a meaningful life, it makes us crazy!

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      meaningful to Self on a deep(er) level.

      1. Jewels profile image82
        Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        Yes.  Sadly with many client illnesses, the deeper cause is unconscious, buried where it is no thought of as a problem.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
          Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          buried. Yes. we must become
              c o n s c i o u s.
          by unearthing it.
          by becoming aware of it!

          1. Jewels profile image82
            Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            That is part of my therapy work.

  20. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    For instance: When I fall (in consciousness) to temptation I find that I lie to myself by saying, .. "it won't hurt if I finish that whole bag of chips and container of sour cream." Oh yes it will in many ways ... but it seems like such a good idea at the time!

  21. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    Once they are conscious of what is hidden they are free, right?
    freedom brings joy.
    Joy activates the will!

    1. Jewels profile image82
      Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      Conscious of it and having the ability to move forward despite the issues of the past and what may be presented in the future.  When a bigger part of the person is seen and it's possible to be that in the world, many obstacles can be overcome.  But it takes bravery, courage and will.

  22. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    The light of the higher self operates in freedom. Freedom brings joy. Joy activates the will.

    1. Jewels profile image82
      Jewelsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      One doesn't need joy to activate the will.  Tenacity, perseverance, self responsibility.  Many things activate the will.  In activating the will one can find joy.  The need for food activates the will also.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        perhaps: Joy comes from activating and guiding the will according to the individual's OWN CONTROL.

  23. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    but the control must be within appropriate boundaries
    such as The Golden Rule.

  24. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    Thanks, Jewels. I appreciate your jewels of wisdom. smile

  25. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    we are ALL "God's chosen people."

  26. Castlepaloma profile image26
    Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago

    Who is the wimp who banned me off this site?

  27. Castlepaloma profile image26
    Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago

    Muslims country leaders and Catholic Popes have clearly set their goal for one world religion. US politics and Isreal have express many times their aim for NWO based on fear all their greedy corperation hierarchy systems.

    My only faith is  that within each individual who is basicly good. The only true positive change and hope will come from within each individual then passed on to the 80% collective consciouness of the people. As postive change has mainly always has come from people throughout our entire human history. Very little postive change has ever come from the greedy hierarchy systems.

    Ripley. % polls believe
    55 % Ghosts88th8
    49% Aliens
    42% Sasquatch
    27% Angel
    25% God

    If you make everyone God,  rather than one monolithic God as the right and only God as Yahweh as example.  You will have won over one monolithic God by the system of 80% collective consciouness vote from the people. This is our only hope as an  honest spiritaul age movement. Already most people call themselve spiritaul sided rather than Religious. We are already headed down that path. Karma will run over your Dogma.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
      Kathryn L Hillposted 13 days ago in reply to this

      Yes. Every individual is basically good. Some don't know it though. You mentioned the ones that don't.
      So what about them? What about the 75 % that don't believe in the "one monolithic God"? What about the 25 % that only imagine God? If love is your God, and nature is your religion, whats wrong with that? I'm sure God fearing religious and spiritual people also believe in love and nature.
      You are arguing against the choir/collective consciousness.
      smile

      1. Castlepaloma profile image26
        Castlepalomaposted 13 days ago in reply to this

        Fear is the oppsite of love. Fear is simply the unknown rather than monolithic religion fearing with a one and ony right God and the concept of Hell. In which most Christian no longer want to believe in hell. The closest thing to hell on earth is war. War is carried out by 90% of predominate religious contries.

        Not even the greatest terrorist country in the world US. Where 75% of American really dont want war, making it no longer a democracy by the people rather than a dictactorship hierarchy system by a federation of corperations and shopping malls.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
          Kathryn L Hillposted 13 days ago in reply to this

          why are they at war?

          1. Castlepaloma profile image26
            Castlepalomaposted 13 days ago in reply to this

            Us is a war economy to feed the hierarchy wealthy making most of us ecomoncial slaves. Just how the british' germans and irish did to the native american and blacks. They just created an delusional form of Freedom. You don't have human rights you have privileges set out by the hierarchy wealthy.

  28. Castlepaloma profile image26
    Castlepalomaposted 13 days ago

    I"m much more in align with Jewel concept of love. Then any alignment of a monolithic God or understanding of any one and only God.

    1. lovetherain profile image53
      lovetherainposted 13 days ago in reply to this

      What are other states of being besides love?

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
        Kathryn L Hillposted 13 days ago in reply to this

        maybe the state of wisdom / logic / reason / truth / knowing.

        1. lovetherain profile image53
          lovetherainposted 13 days ago in reply to this

          You have to be in a certain state to receive gnosis. That's for sure.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
            Kathryn L Hillposted 13 days ago in reply to this

            like Einstein, Tesla, Bohm and Hawking?

            1. lovetherain profile image53
              lovetherainposted 13 days ago in reply to this

              Possibly, yes.

        2. Jewels profile image82
          Jewelsposted 13 days ago in reply to this

          Logic and reason are definitely NOT part of the mix when it comes to Being.  Those states are part of the mental body.  Thoughts are NOT included, in fact you do not think in these spaces.  Thinking is a doing, it is not a Being.

          1. Jewels profile image82
            Jewelsposted 13 days ago in reply to this

            Joy is also a state of Being.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image26
              Castlepalomaposted 13 days ago in reply to this

              It is not the one with the most toys in the ends that wins. It is the one with the most joys.

              1. Jewels profile image82
                Jewelsposted 12 days ago in reply to this

                big_smile  At the end of the day - yes Castlepaloma. big_smile

          2. lovetherain profile image53
            lovetherainposted 13 days ago in reply to this

            Have you been in any of these "states of being?"

            1. Jewels profile image82
              Jewelsposted 12 days ago in reply to this

              Yes, which is why I can speak of them.  Having the experience is what allows me to discern the differences.
              Interestingly this morning with a client I was speaking about the differences between having experiences as opposed to the mind thinking it knows.  The later is where there is a mental interpretation of knowledge (often learned from books or someone telling you information),  where the experience is the actual knowledge.  Knowledge as in nous requires tactile experience which is indicated in the Greek interpretation of Gnosis.  It's not theoretical.

 
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