Biblical Child Rape

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   qwarkposted 14 years ago

   Why would a biblical,loving, caring "creator" allow the potential rape of baby girls?
   (Numbers 31:7,17-18)
   "They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man........Now kill all the boys And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

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      cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      i don't think that verse is depicting child rape. but it was still wrong to capture innocents and kill their families. and why kill ALL women who were not virgins? some of them could have been married.

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         qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hi Cosette:
         All the females that have not yet had sex includes baby girls up.
         If you notice in my question I used the word "potential."
         In some facets of judaism it is perfectly acceptable to have sex with a baby girl who has reached the age of 3 yrs and 1 day.
         You know, of course, that the torah is the first 5 books of the bible alledgedly written by moses. It's called the pentateuch.

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      SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It has nothing to do with rape. Virginity is a sign of purity.

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         tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Which was going to be taken by the conquerors for their pleasure.

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         qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Sir Dent:
         Clarify pls...thanks :-)

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            SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            If you read the whole chapter, you will see that those who were catpured were used for work. Some were given to the Levites to help in keeping everything in order in the tabernacle. (this is quick response without studying it up really well.)
            
            God is holy and righteous. He expects us who believe to be holy and righteous also. Men are unclean compared to God. Virginity is as close to being holy and pure as a person can get without Jesus Christ in their lives.

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               qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Sir Dent:
               I'm sorry, I don't follow.
               First, what is this god thing you mention?
               Clear that up for me first, then, If I think you've made a valid point, we'll discuss it.
               If ya can't, in all due respect, I can't consider anything you post about this god thing as being credible. Why? 'Cause all you'd be able to do is offer opinion...and you know what they say about opinion: opinion is worth about a dime a dozen..ok? Thanks!:-)

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                  SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Anything I say will not be accepted. I may as well just leave it at that. See ya around.

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               (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

               In other words, they were made slaves.
               
               
               
               Slavery is holy and righteous? Since when?

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                  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  

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      AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It should be obvious. Like it or not, the Bible is not ONE book, but a collection of books. Small surprise that the all-compassionate stuff doesn't mesh with the sorts of things you are describing. I mean, we're talking multiple authors, multiple centuries. It shouldn't be rocket science (IMO)

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         qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         ad:
         You got one thing right!
         It certainly is not "rocket science."
         ty   :-)

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      sooner than laterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Virgins. They saved the virgins who that tribe used as sacraficial bait for pagan Gods. That is your answer. God delivered the very virgins that those people would sacrafice. And I thought we had some poets in here. That is beautiful.

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         tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         God delivered them to the bed of his soldiers.
         Great !!!

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            tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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      Davidsonofjesieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      it dont say anything about rape!!!

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         AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Implied

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            earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            More than implied! What would you call it?

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   qwarkposted 14 years ago

   Seems no one has the cahones to approach this question...gee, I wonder why?..

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      all human miseries are in the Bible for you to read. some under God's avowal.
      Some people prefer to skipped them.
      it's easier to believe being blind.

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   prettydarkhorseposted 14 years ago

   just wondering about that passage qwark, never encountered it before...

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      DogSiDaedposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se … ersion=KJV

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         prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         oh thanks for that one, what are the circumstances about this?

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      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Pretty:
      Look it up..:-)

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      fatfistposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Yep, you won't find this passage under the CHERRY tree 

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   TLMinutposted 14 years ago

   They could eventually marry them, it doesn't say they can have sex with them as infants! But really, the things that went on in the world and STILL go on in the world are brutal and sick IMHO.

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      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Tl:
      Pls read my question with understanding.Did I use the word "potential?"

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Marrying virgins without their consent is rape, even if it's 'legal'

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   prettydarkhorseposted 14 years ago

   quark, I am always with the thought that I believe in GOD, felt it always< but then the bible is confusing yes because it is written by lots of people, different perspectives and different time and era too

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      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Pretty:
      Of course! Thats why the bible is a horridly corrupted work.
      It has been a victim of time and too many interpretations in many many differing languages...each adding or emitting whatever the writers desired.
      Go back to the "DArk Ages" between about 500 - 1500 AD and study the effects Roman catholicism had on religious belief. Study the influences of the writings of the 21 ecumenical councils. It only takes study to figure out just how inane biblical scripture is.

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         prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         yes, have doubts about the bible, but then my belief of A GOD is still here in my mind and heart

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            qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Pretty:
            OK...NP I respect you as being a sister human being.
            Have you followed any of my questioning in ref. to what this god thing is?
            If you cannot define this god thing as being fact, you are just guessing and hoping.
            May the force be with you.:-)

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   kessposted 14 years ago

   I think this thread is merely an exercise in foolishness.

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      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Kess:
      You responded. Now I ask you why you responded as you did. Can you?

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, you're right!
      this thread will lead nowhere.

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   The Paulposted 14 years ago

   I think the message is pretty clear...
   
   "Cross us and we'll kill you and then rape your daughters."
   
   And it got incorporated into someone's religion along the way.

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe the translators weren't very 'bright'
      

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   SirDentposted 14 years ago

   I have errands to run so will be back later.

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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   I am not saying that war is right or wrong.
   This was during the time that the Israelites were taking back what had once been theirs, (The promised land), before their forefathers went to Egypt. 
   
     It also sounded to me that the Midnites had some kind of Sexually transmitted disease that was rampant among the population. . Saving the little  girls was a sign of compassion that was not afforded the adults and young boys who might have been infected with whatever they had.

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      AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      This is the first problem.

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         Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

           To not judge a war  that I know nothing about as right or wrong seems like the appropriate answer to me.
            I was only stating what I read. The previous verses seemed to say that these people had offended God in some way probably having something to do with their infectious condition. 
         
            I have to run off and do an estiment for work; will be back.

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      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Jerami:
      Did you pickup my use of the word "potential?"

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    moanalisaposted 14 years ago

    And what happened to "thou shalt not kill"?
    
    It baffles me that people choose to follow a bible, so re-written, so convoluted to take it so literally. Lack of faith in the bible does not mean a lack in faith in God.

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       qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Moanalisa:
       A faith in what?..who?  :-)

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    The Paulposted 14 years ago

    One of the major issues I take with organized religion is that it often leaves people sitting around cooking up excuses for why rape/slavery is okay.

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       AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       In fairness, the slave trade was finally made illegal in Britain by the concerted efforts of churchgoers. (Not sure why I'm being fair, but hey.)

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          The Paulposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Which is all well and good, but I'm not really emotionally connected to Christianity's distant past.  Whatever tragedies or moral victories it spawned, they're academic now.  Certainly worth noting in historical study, but not nearly as relevant as Christianity's current effects.
          
          Which includes making excuses for why it's sometimes okay to engage in genocide, slavery, and rape, in that order.

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    sooner than laterposted 14 years ago

    Yes, there is a massive force of Christian rapists sweeping across the nation.

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       Paradise7posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Christian slave rapists, honey, don't forget the slaves!
       
       

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          The Paulposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          You know what doesn't dispel my discontent with the apologetics for genocide, slavery and rape going on?  People being flippant regarding said apologetics.

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    getitriteposted 14 years ago

    Christians don't really have any sensible answers to this forum question, becasue it would expose their religion for what it really is, and would cast doubt upon their "rational" thinking.

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       AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Mmmm, I'm not sure all Christians take the Book of Numbers all that seriously, though some on Hubpages seem to

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    qwarkposted 14 years ago

    The biblical god thing ok's the ownership and punishment of slaves, murder, pedophilia etc., etc..
    It's all there for the reader.  :-)

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    ralwusposted 14 years ago

    It is written that he is a terrible god.

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Luckily he doesn't exist.

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    ralwusposted 14 years ago

    She!

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    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    And the imagination runs wild. 
      This was the age of barbarian warfare. It was common practice that when invading armies conquered a land for purposes of establishing settlements it was customary to eliminate the inhabitants. To kill them prevented retaliatory actions in the future.
        It was also the practice that if you killed a man you also killed his sons that they not come back when they grew up and take vengeance. 
         It was a brutal time. and this chapter mentions some kind of communicable disease, probably STDs.
         Would it have been better to have killed the uninfected girls and women also?

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    Over The Hillposted 14 years ago

    Funny how it happens when a verse like this is found by unbelievers it`s accepted as being in complete context and accepted word for word as the word of God,plus any insinuations that they can add into it.But to be cornered by a believer in scripture,it suddenly takes another meaning or was mis-translated. Childish,foolish and divisive.Really doesn`t deserve responce.

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       qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Over the hill:
       Really?
       Pls tell us why you think the biblical god didn't command moses to give all the virgin girls to his soldiers and explain why scripture takes another meaning or is mis-translated if it's taken word for word from the bible? Can you do this? Hmmm?
       Or are you just practicing your typing?

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       The Paulposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Funny how so many believers can not understand the difference between discussing passages from the bible and accepting them as the inerrant word of god.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Time to quote the good book!
    
       If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
    
    What type of lunatic would force a young woman to marry her rapist?

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       (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Doesn't that make the father out as a pimp, as well?

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yes!
       what type ?
       
       
       
       
       

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    qwarkposted 14 years ago

    Why are "believers" in this biblical god thing "tapdancing" around, avoiding answering my basic question: "why would this biblical god thing allow the "POTENTIAL" for females, from birth up, to be raped?" WHY,WHY,WHY?

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       sooner than laterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Its been answered. God delivered the virgins from a tribe that sacraficed them to pagan gods. This is why history is so important. I think its poetic and ironic, but you feel for the murderers?

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          qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Sooner:
          God?
          Whatever that is, gets pissed and offers virgin girls to be sacrificed by the pagans, ok, and the horny bastards can "drop- a-load" into the cute ones before cutting there hearts out!
          Horny as I am I'd pray to this god thing to make me a pagan! Allah u akbar!

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             sooner than laterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             You got all this out of that short text. Wow. I bet you could fabricate a new religion as powerful as evolution.

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                qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Sooner:
                I understand that response.
                You are, obviously, a "follower," not a "THINKER."
                There are so many like you. That inclination must be a genetic aberation....but wait! this god thing doesn't make mistakes! I'm so confused....:-) Jeez! I must pray for enlightenment...give me a moment!

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                   sooner than laterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   At least He was fair and said; "you will not understand my ways".

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    sooner than laterposted 14 years ago

    It never says anything about rape. Sex with women was not as "LOOSE" nor free as it is today. I am sure many of these women were married into the men of the army, but rape? Thats what you have conjured up. Shallow and biased.
    
    I'm glad God saved the virgins.

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       marrying a virgin without her consent, is rape, even if for you it's Ok, because God said so.
       do you know what 'ethic' means.
       
       who's shallow  and biased  ? Me ?
       Do you like to follow me with insults ?
       Is this your new hobby ?

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          sooner than laterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I don't insult you. I contradict you. If you had a history education, and some schooling- you may notice that is what you do.

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             tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             
             whatever you say 'Master' !
             
             

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             cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             hey, STL...you never answered my question, over in your "I hate homos" thread:
             
             http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/32392?page=18
             
             well?

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