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   J.R. Smithposted 13 years ago

   Why are the aethists so interested in religion?

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      alternate poetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      This is an old question answered many many times.  Firstly most of the people who you label atheist are not, many have some residual religious affiliations; some like myself have no belief-system about spiritual matters at all and so do not have a label
      
      
      To answer the question again.  Religion poses the greatest threat to civilization than any other single cause, it is intent on aggressively attacking Islam in the cause of a 1500 year old war, it is deeply involved still with the Jewish wars of pre-history and if it (religion(s)) cannot warmonger its way to destroy this civilization then it would consign us all to another dark age of ignorance and intolerance.
      
      To oppose this is a much more worthwhile 'cause' than a novel that originated in stone age thinking and its flat headed followers.

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         J.R. Smithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I didn't label anyone. How could you possibly know who I mean?One could argue man poses the biggest threat to civilization,often abusing religion to back their causes. Do you think there would be world peace if there were no religion? Maybe that dark age of ignorance is closer than you think.

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            alternate poetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            If you read the title you gave the thread - yes you do label.

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               J.R. Smithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I called them atheists. You have no right to tell me I was really refering to anyone but atheists. If it doesn't apply to you,so be it. I meant what I said,and I know what I mean with that. I didn't refer to a single person, so you have to assume I am talking about atheism,right?

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            alternate poetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Your argument that man poses the greatest threat to civilisation illustrates your confusion.  The state of man IS civilization.
            
            YES the progress of manking to anything better would be easier and faster without religion.  How can persuading those masses of people who are not so intelligent that all their problems will be solved by following stone age dogma is counter-productive in our modern world.  They would be better following some other brand name, everyone intent on wearing Levi's and trotting off to McDonalds on sundays is less likely to result in acts of aggression like the disgrace of Iraq.

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               J.R. Smithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               By your arguement, the destruction of man would be civilization,too. How can you deny man's threat to his own survival? The Iraq issue had many,many factors. Religion wasn't even in the top ten. You're crazy to think there would be world peace if there were no religion. There will always be something to fight over.

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                  alternate poetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Don't let facts get in the way of the truth eh!   The christian right were the deciding factor in getting Bush into power and the deciding voting block that allowed him to attack Iraq - you may have missed his little 'slip' of the tongue when he described it as a crusade ?

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                     hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     LOL you really think the american people have control over who gets elected. Hahha that concept is as old as this other one of yours:
                     "Religion poses the greatest threat to civilization than any other single cause, it is intent on aggressively attacking Islam in the cause of a 1500 year old war,"
                     
                     governments start wars, not people, people get informed they are at war when the war has already started, in a couple of cases people got drafted into a war they did not start.
                     If you think christianity starts wars think again and harder this time. The second world war was over banking issues, and the jews were targeted because their banking system did not include huge charges according to gods laws, hence non jews were banking in jewish banks... not good for non jewish banks.
                     
                     
                     
                     yah you rock

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         paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

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            alternate poetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Paarsurry - Do not change the meaning of what I post by selective editing.  Islam is as much at fault as is christianity.

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               hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               explain how christianity is at fault please
               tell the froggy

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      Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Religion teaches that people and knowledge are inherently evil by nature and are required to worship and obey an invisible god in order to be "saved" from the sins of mankind. Religions divide us.
      
      Atheists understand people are not inherently evil, that knowledge and understanding the world around us can only assist us to concentrate on helping mankind and the problems we face as a species, together.
      
      

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         hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         oh so we got here, to this state of moral depravity by being good natured did we? Why do i see so much violence on TV and read about so much in the papers and we know that there is lots that goes on which we do not hear about. Does our good natures tell us to r@pe a couple hundred thousand people in africa just because its like friday and things are a bit slow
         http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/100925/w … st_rape_un
         
         oh yes we are such angelic beings. How about the knowledge of god helping out or is there a wisdom better than this? Or is really the only answer that we can handle, 'a little improvement but not a lot would be good'.
         You do talk trash when you say humans are good people. Look at the amount of divorces, sure these people aren't evil but they aren't all that good either. We have been around for 6,000 yrs how many more do we need after we remove the good that is already here? Man will never be able to manage man, thats a fact and watch how things get worse..the rich will always keep a slave force on hand to make their world better, oh yeah, worse is a bible prophecy! Good luck skirting that with your humanistic reasoning, but don't tell anyone we want it to be a secret, muahahahaha.
         Stick to math.

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            Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Perhaps, the fact that the DR Congo is over 85% Christian might have something to do with their lack of morals.
            
            
            
            Perhaps it was the knowledge of your god that influenced those in your example?
            
            
            
            Statistics reveal the highest divorce rates are amongst Christians.
            
            
            
            Funny how you ignore reality in favor of your beleifs.
            
            
            
            Slavery is condoned in the bible.
            
            
            
            You've already proven my point. Thanks.

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      sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      If you don't 'believe' it, then you should probably know why you don't.

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   Ohmaposted 13 years ago

   I would not exactly call it interest. I think it is more of a desire to perpetuate their understanding of the truth.

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   J.R. Smithposted 13 years ago

   They are on all the religion topics. I find that odd for people that believe in no religion.

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   Ohmaposted 13 years ago

   Where else would they find people to debate with? I do not get that you find it odd. Why to religious folks spend their time preaching in the streets and bars and any other such place that is considered typically filled with non-believers.
   The short answer to spread their version of the truth. There is no difference.

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      hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      we were here first lol
      They keep dropping by for tea(diousness)

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   earnestshubposted 13 years ago

   "Our national leaders, are sending soldiers out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."
   --Sarah Palin, on the Iraq war
   
   Maybe we care about the world, and don't want it overrun by stupid people perpetrating stone-aged myths to support their warmongering?

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      hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      exactly! There is no way this war is from or about God. As a matter of fact God is so far removed from the situation that sarah is using this tag line to rouster respect and support from people.
      Its called Public Relations most of the time it is a lie.
      Wolves come in all sorts of animal clothing.
      This is another reason i purport christians or people who have God affiliations should stay out of politics for many godly reasons.
      God could care less about oil, but i bet he's there trying round up some atheists who are praying like the dickens.

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   J.R. Smithposted 13 years ago

   reading your posts,it doesn't seem like care.

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      earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      On what do you base that?  That I disagree with you?

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   J.R. Smithposted 13 years ago

   Not at all. I welcome your opinion in a friendly,non-confrontational format. Merely look back at the posts on various feeds and you'll see what i'm talking about. It seems the aetheists are actually anti-religionists,doesn't it?

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      earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I prefer the term non-believer myself, as I don't agree that not believing in myths requires one having another belief system to replace it.
      If I believe in Santa Claus, not believing in Santa would not require any particular belief to replace it.
      As for being against religionists, that depends on if they believe that myself and family are going to rot in hell forever or not among other things.

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   J.R. Smithposted 13 years ago

   I can't blame you. It isn't right to push your beliefs on those that don't want to hear it.  It's just funny how often the non-believers force their stance on others. Isn't that the very trait they detest in the religious?Does that not shout hypocrite?

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      earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I have noticed others like myself who argue against religion, but as far as pushing their beliefs, I think that disagreeing with religion is more like pushing for some honesty.
      
      In the two years I have been here, no religionist has ever answered with anything other than quotes from one of two source.
      
      The bible or quoran.
      
      I have offered numerous sources for my beliefs from widely varying peer reviewed credible websites many times, as have others.
      They are met with inane scripture that most of we non believers seem to know better that the religionists!
      They never follow anything up unless it already fits within their particular version of a belief.

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         hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         ahem... thats kinda like bein way overly boastful.
         How many times have i creamed a post of yours.
         or other people.
         You are not a big wig, you have either forgotten everything you once knew and can only keep posting old worn out OT killin verses or you infer a bunch of mistruths or you just nastily type a one liner insulting the poster and God.
         
         This is not top o the heap mate.
         What sources is that, those cartoon comic like pictures you post? I liked mine better.
         If you want honesty, we have it too. Because we disagree does not mean one is right the other is wrong. Until you believe what we believe you will always be right in your own head. I am fine with that. But because you offer me nothing of value, no better belief system, no hope for a future, none of your belief system comes anywhere near what i have, i will always be right for that and other reasons too. You don't purport honesty, you actually purport hate.
         As for scriptures, well, you know the reason for that. God word rules! your nonbelief doesn't even scratch the surface and neither did your 30 yrs of, :\ study. By now you have had every piece of evidence in satans favor demolished and still you persist.
         good management

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            earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Buy a mirror would be my advice. All I see in your post is spiteful childish projection and megalomania.
            
            Good luck with that, and good luck with lumping a lot of decent people who are actually writers here together to flush down the toilet. All this after 4 weeks of doing nothing but post aspersions on forums.
            
            Get over yerself!

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   J.R. Smithposted 13 years ago

   I have also noticed that you guys do know your scripture. It just seems a non-believer would fit into a different category than an anti-believer. The bible is what they often base their opinions on, but they should cross-reference with something that an atheist would respect, in order to support their arguement. You do realize that they think they are pushing for honesty,too.

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      alternate poetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You are constantly attempting to label others.  There is so much opposing fact to the fabricated nonsense of religion it is hard choose.  It is easier to find counters to everything religionsists say within their own contradictory novel.

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         hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         
         too bad you didn't offer anything i might bite at but once again just unsupported inference.

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      Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Intelligent, studious people who live in a world that has considerable cultural history tied to the Bible naturally read the book to understand where many things, for good and ill, were seeded ideologically. It is a book.  People read books.  Not everyone who reads a book of parables and stories of magic etc. must believe in magic to read the book.  As for using it to rebut claims, it's something of a "know thy enemy" thing, or perhaps "fighting fire with fire."

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    Shadesbreathposted 13 years ago

    The non-religious, which you are lumping together as atheists I believe, are forced to be "interested" in religion because religion is forced on us.  From the knocks on our doors by proselytizing "missionaries" to the words and deeds of some of our politicians to the planes that slam into our buildings.  We are not "interested" in religion based on some curiosity, nor are we "interested" out of some perverse desire to harass and annoy believers.  We are "interested" because religion shoves itself into our lives with constant effort and sometimes terrifying degrees of violence, forcing us to look at it and marvel at its primitive aspects and obscene disregard for reason.  That is why.

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier -- so long as I'm the dictator.
    --George W. Bush, Dec. 19, 2000

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       hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       thats a lot better than somebody wanting to kill all the christians.. oh wait god had a similar idea to kill all the sinners...
       
       isn't that interesting

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          earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          You replies are interesting.

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             hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             i heard that
             
             ribbit
             did you read my hub? bub

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                earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                I read both of them. I always find out who people are before dealing with them.
                I came here to write, have you?
                
                Or are you just here to flog your belief in the invisible entity?
                2 hubs, both on religion. I did not vote them up or down by the way, I just found both to be infantile.

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    spookyfoxposted 13 years ago

    In all honesty, I just think it's really fun to argue religion. Besides that, I believe whether people conciously engage the subject with each other or not, religion is starting to fade away and will inevitably do so completely sooner or later. Like it or not, it doesn't matter, and whether it'll be for better or worse, only time will tell. Though my bet is on the first.

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       hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       that's a huge gamble.
       ribbit

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          spookyfoxposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Nope.

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       secretmemoirposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       yes, its been both intellectually stimulating as well as highly entertaining

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