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   capncrunchposted 8 years ago

   Besides the belief in a higher power, what other differences separate non-believers and believers?
   
   What is the agenda of either side?
   
   

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   RNMSNposted 8 years ago

   I cannot find differences at all...none of the different religions say hate everyone who doesn't believe /  all religions say love god and love one another...not really brain surgery is it?

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I agree!
      
      LOVE=TRUTH!
      
      I Tim 5:20 "Them that sin "rebuke" before all, that others may also fear!"

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      Readmikenowposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The minute a person says "All Religions" you reveal yourself as someone who knows little or nothing about any religion.  Muslims are  different from Buddhists, who are very different from Hindus, who are extremely different from Sikhs and on and on.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      "Religion"="man-made organizations" in which there is a supreme being that proclaims "LOVE" but r not "Disciples of Christ"
      
      There is a "HUGE" DIFFERENCE!  Spirit v. carnal!

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      Readmikenowposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Your a bit off on your assessment.  If you know the Muslim religion they're to kill unbelievers.
      Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Re: Muslims:  Apparently they have LOVE for their god by following his commands, To them action=love; whereas, we rest (no action) believing His Word allowing Holy Spirit's (WORD) conviction change or WORK (action) for us!

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      MonkeyShine75posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Not all religions say love everyone, there is one religion which has thousands of people from several countries that teaches different than love. In the Old Testament there were wars with God's people, but war is not what I am speaking of

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   dashingscorpioposted 8 years ago

   
   
   Atheists don't believe in the existence of heaven or hell.
   They believe the world is billions of years old (not thousands).
   With regard to political differences I don't believe religion is a key factor. According to statistics close to 79% of adult citizens in the U.S. Identify themselves as being Christians. This would mean a lot of Democrats, pro-choice people of various races and economic levels think of themselves as being Christians. Atheists only made up (3.1%) and agnostics made up 4% of the U.S. population.
   There are very few people who consider themselves to be atheist.
   Organized religion politics, numerous scandals, wars over religion, the bible canonization process of how it was put together, and scriptures that defy all logic and reasoning are what separates believers from non-believers. Atheists are analytical thinkers.
   Believers see the bible as being a factual historical document.
   The atheist thinks religion may be the world's greatest con!

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yes!  They "Lean to their own understanding!"  (Prov 3:5)

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      jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Well said DS.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      DS: "..atheist thinks religion may be the world's greatest con!" THEY R RIGHT!  "Conned" by "establishing "dates" & "chging wording" to "lose souls" for this is SATAN'S Kingdom & his job to "Kill, steal & destroy!" (Jn 10:10)   BUT GOD (H

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      MonkeyShine75posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I know the Universe is billions of years old, and I'm a believer, I'm just not Christian. Only the Christian related religions believe it is thousands of years old

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Monkey: How can u be a "blvr," but not a "Christian?" There's contradiction! You study "man" who says 1K's of yrs old!  If GOD created ALL (Christian's belief), who do u have problem w/timeframe of creation which "man" has created & produced fact

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   RLWalker LMposted 8 years ago

   In spite of how this might come across and while stating for the record that this answer is purely objective, I think it should be quite clear that believers generally have notably lower intelligence than non-believers. I would even consider that to be the foremost difference, other than the obvious defining one.
   
   It may be the reason they believe, or the reason others don't. And that may be a good thing or a bad thing.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Do they know the ability to operate in the "Supernatural realm?"  They limit themselves studying man rather than connecting to Power given by Holy Spirit!
      
      Low intelligence? Carnal v. Spiritual (God)? Get real!
      
      Science nos spiritual v physical win!

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      RLWalker LMposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Firstly, you're asking me to get real while comparing intelligence with supernatural power. Ahem... really.
      
      Secondly, as I made explicitly clear, the answer was purely objective, without judgement.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Again, spiritual v physical=No Comparison! 
      
      "Power" in Spirit v physical ("knowledge")!
      
      Objective="based on FACTS rather than feelings or opinions" (merriam dict)
      
      U said "FACT"=blvr="lower intell?" Get Real! 
      
      Spirit v physical=Spirit=POWER!

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      RLWalker LMposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Google "objective opinion".
      
      I did not say fact equals whatever so that's just bull,
      
      Because you didn't understand what I meant by objective, you responded in defense of believers. If intelligence is no comparison to spirit, why are you comparin

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      RL: Just saying, "spirit" more POWERFUL than "physical ability" & proven by ur science!  The "supernatural" realm is ABOVE "physical" & can do more!  Why argue?
      
      1 day ALL will "see" when they "grow up" SPIRITUALLY, if they "humble themselve

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      RLWalker LMposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Not arguing. I believe thers reason 2 think ther might b other realms or planes of reality besides the 1 we perceive with our senses. The diff btwn u an I is I speak from personal experience, an even then its mostly stated as opinion.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      RL: I have also exp'd what IS WRITTEN in WORD as TRUE!  Spiritual realm=have placed hands on one & the POWER OF GOD released upon him.  LIE? NOPE! He "works" thru us IF one "believes!"   TRY HIM for "PROOF!"

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      RLWalker LMposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      What have you experienced that is written in the Bible that can only be explained by the supernatural?

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      RL: MY GOD!  Too  much!  His POWER works thru me "EVERYDAY" revealing "supernatural!"  Atheist "unbelief," HE told me where to go 2 "show" proof! "PROPHECIES" n Bible! GOD tells EVERYTHING "when connected!"  BEYOND "man's" thinking!  HE "leads &

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       lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this

       So the Nobel prize winning believers (and there have been quite a few!) are of 'lower intelligence' than the non believing ones?
       That sounds to me like a very dangerous and offensive statement!

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       jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       If "intelligence" is the ability to say, "I don't know," then look for answers, then listen to and consider the answers, and come up with possibilities, before making judgment...and reaching a reasonable conclusion....judge yourself on this, first.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Alan: Who "..come up with possibilities..reaching a reasonable conclusion..?"  U (man)?
       
       That's the PROBLEM!
       
       "Lean not to OWN understanding" (Prov 3:5) rather let the HOLY SPIRIT "lead & guide"  then CORRECT "understanding" or "revelation!"

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       jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       " MY GOD! Too much! His POWER works thru me...."Norine, If your utterances here are the "power of Him," then god help us all!  If "His" intelligence is limited by yours, that accounts for all the problems he has made for us in this world.

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       RLWalker LMposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Lawrence hebb. My opinion is a generalization hence the word "generally".
       
       Betwn 1901 & 2000 nonbelievers have won between 4.7 & 8.9 % in chem, med, phy & 35% lit.
       
       No go do ur own res abot relig pop stats between 1900 & 2000.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Alan: So speaks Satan who "looks @ flesh" & not as GOD! Child, academics nothing! Take it w/u when u die! Only 1's spirit counts! U look @ wrong thg! Look @ MSG not msgr! Both u & RL go read those "accurate prophecies" n bible, then talk to m

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       jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       You continue to talk rubbish Norine. You are making it all up as you go along. If you see me as representing Satan you had better not even speak with me.  Might steal that precious soul of yours.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Alan: I don't worry about Satan for my soul is "hidden beneath His Wings" (Ps 57:1)
       
       Why don't u study bible prophecies then say "No God?"  Goggle book with "most accurate prophecies" & see GOD has spoken!

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       RLWalker LMposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       You know Norine at the end of the day if you were hanging off a cliff I would pull you up, and I'm just going rest in the assumption that you'd put down your Bible if just for the moment and do the same for me.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       RL: The diff between u & I, I would tell u BEFORE "hanging off cliff" of danger!  Don't u get it by now?
       
       Study those prophecies!  Google! What other book does this written BEFORE bible? What man has such accuracy?

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       RLWalker LMposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       The thing is I'm not smart enuf to validate to my own mind everything written in the Bible as true. Yet you might be surprised to know that I say the Our Father about every other day, not knowing if there is a God. And I'm not afraid to admit it.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       RL: I love u for the "Our Father!" THE CREATOR asks "Lean not to ur own understanding" (Prov 3:5) & "relinquish self to HIM" (II Chron 7:14)! Flesh & material "pass away" but we (in Christ) keep Growing & Growing (II Cor 3:18) into HIS li

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       RLWalker LMposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       So you do have a pleasant side!

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       RL  Pleasant=GOD=LOVE=morals!  Human=Evil heart (Gen 6:5) to which I cannot be "pleasant!"  Was GOD (aka Jesus) "pleasant" when "rebuking sin?" (Matt 21:12) 
       
       When we "agree" on Him & His Word, "Nothing BUT!"

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       RLWalker LMposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Norine, are you human?

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       RL: Human w/a "spirit" trapped in this "sinful flesh" as we ALL are. 
       
       "Thoughts" need to be brought under subjection & sometimes u guys take me there w/your insultreous minds (EVIL)!
       
       "Growing"=Reconciliation!
       
       Join me="Benefits" fm "Our Father

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       MonkeyShine75posted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I am going to UCLA to study, so that I can enter Law School, and after I become a criminal attorney, I will run to be a judge. I get all As and yet I believe in God. What career are you in?

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       My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Norine, Why did your god make "sinful flesh" in the first place?  Was that "loving"?

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       Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Esoteric do not misunderstand to believe is important ,like now you believe that if you write on your device I will communicate with others,you believe that first before you actually did the action.
       Believe also plays a part in what we feel is proof

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       My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       What I have is a reasonable expectation (not belief) that this reply will b available 2 others 2 read bc that is the the way hubpages, computers, the Internet r intended 2 work.  What I "believe" is their is a universal God, I just can't prove it.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Mara: BA Psych/Hrs twd Theology Masters/Realtor/Retired Govt employee so what? Carnal v Spiritual=Nothing! MY: For PRAISE fm BLVRS! PROOF=What other book?  Provide?

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   manatita44posted 8 years ago

   The Boxes. A question like this implies boxes, separateness, me and them, believers and non-believers.
   
   These are major differences. There is a very nice Christian girl at work who is always talking about their God and her God. No amount of explanation would suffice to accept only One. If you think about it seriously, how can we Love with separation? Do you have seven sons and say I like johnny, so to hell with the rest. No, you love them all.
   
   The Creator and the Creation are one. There is only Spirit and all things are a manifestation of Spirit. When I relate to each individual in daily life, I do not even ask their Faith, as I feel that this may prejudice or affect my flow of Love. Peace has never lived in boxes, in separation.
   
   The microcosm is part and parcel of the macrocosm, the small is just as much a part of the whole. each brick contributes to the foundation of the house. Love is necessary, Divine Love; the Love which conquers all. Hope this helps.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      If the WORD of GOD separates, then what? LOVE=TRUTH! Would u tell "Johnny" (or others) a LIE!  If so, not LOVE!  Get real!

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      My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, why is it that only a handful of people on earth in all time have ever actually practiced 90% of what Jesus preached?  What does that say about alleged Christians today?

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      My: Have not been told TRUTH which is to exercise "FAITH" to realize "results" from this "Spiritual journey!"
      
      It's not the sheep, it's the shepherds!  Sheep follow ANYTHING if they thk it's fm a "legitimate" source! Don't realize JESUS made ass tal

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      Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Myeso, I do not agree with Norine believe.
      True she believes in Jesus , but she does not believe in his Father spoken at Psalm 83:18 and other scriptures.  Rejecting the Father is rejecting who he sent his Son Jesus.  She believes Jesus is God .

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      My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      If you scrutinize all of the Gospels and other contemporary documents, or listen to the lecturer I did, even Jesus didn't believe he was God.  ..
      
      And Norine, who is left to tell your "truth"?  You certainly can't trust any of the clergy, can you?

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      "even Jesus didn't believe he was God?" Really? What about Jn 10:30???
      And Norine, who is left to tell your "truth"?  THE WORD of GOD which "does not LIE" (Num 23:19)!
      I ONLY give WORD which "man" hates!

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   gmwilliamsposted 8 years ago

   
   
   (1)Believers
   (A) Believers feel that they are powerless, oftentimes giving away their power to authoritative religious figures. 
   (B) Believers doubt their divinity.  They believe that divinity exists outside themselves.
   (C) Believers are not questioners. They go with the status quo and the majority consensus.  They are afraid to rock the religious boat.
   (D) Believers believe in strict adherence & obedience to religious authorities, dogma, & texts. They have a passive mindset.
   (E) Believers contend that there are things that are preordained & should never be tampered with.
   (F) Believers are oftentimes distrustful of those who do not believe as they do.  They can even be distrustful of factions within their own belief systems because they may not believe in aspects of their particular religion.
   (G) Believers contend that those who refuse to believe as they do are either lost or damned.
   
   (2) Non-Believers
   (A) Non-Believers are questioning of all religious precepts & concepts.  They refuse to take things at face value.
   (B) Non-Believers approach beliefs in a logical, analytical manner.  They refuse to believe in something because someone said so or it is the majority consensus.
   (C) Non-Believers believe in their own divinity & ownership in matters of religion, morality, spirituality &/or ethics. They believe that they are their own authority & aren't afraid to act upon such principles.
   (D) Non-Believers think for themselves.  They do not consult religious authorities & texts as to what is right & wrong, moral & immoral. 
   (E) Non-Believers refuse to believe that there is one legitimate religion, religious authority & religious text.  They find such precepts utterly ludicrous.
   (F) Non-Believers for the most part, live & let live.  They believe that others have the right to believe as they do as long as religious, moral, spiritual & ethical beliefs are not infringed upon nor harm people.
   (G) Non-Believers scoff at the premise that those who do not believe as they do are lost or will be damned.  They feel that people are where they are supposed to be spiritually, religiously, & even ethically.
   
   (3) Believers are not a monolithic group in terms of agenda.  There are some believers that believe in the philosophy of live & let live while there are some who will maintain that everyone should believe as they do. Non-Believers really do not care-to each their own.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Re: BLVRS: A: Pwrlss w/GOD? B: Divinity o/s w/GOD n/s? C: Why do we "argue" amongst selves? D: As C; E: As C; F: Growing; G: RIGHT!

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   jlparkposted 8 years ago

   There are a lot of differences and a lot of similarities. But it depends on the believer and non believer being compared.
   
   There are extremist believers of any religion, and there are extremist non-believers. These guys are similar in that they both strive to make everyone believe as they do - convert to faith, or away from faith. A difference? I've come across more extremist believers than non-believers.
   
   Then you have the happily believing believers, and the happily non believing peeps - they are happy to discuss religion together and agree to disagree without forcing the issue. They are happy in their belief or lack of and like to learn. I know quite a few of both of these types - have a good colleague at work who is a believer and I myself am not (and am also gay which her faith disagrees with) and we have the best conversations! Lots of thinking for both of us.
   
   Then you have the newly believing and non-believing - these are just a little annoying if you aren't either of them - they are so happy in their newly found belief or lack of - they want everyone to know, but don't necessarily want them to convert.
   
   These are all fine and dandy - but it comes to a head when the groups mix themselves up. The extremist believer and the happily non-believing, the new non believer and the extremist non believer.
   
   One big difference is that people who don't believe don't care too much about what other non-believers think - they are like 'so you don't believe in God? Me neither!' But whether yr spiritual but don't believe in a God, doesn't usually bother them.
   
   I've noticed that those who believe, particularly some Christians and some Muslims, disagree with others who claim the same faith but perhaps a different branch (eg Protestant, Catholic, WBC, Shiite, Suuni) and often violently (Northern Ireland anyone? ISIS?) trying to convince each other that their version is the real one when they both worship the same Christian God, or the same Allah.
   
   But for the tolerant of all believers and non believers - if your values, ideas etc differ, but you're respectful, they aren't too worried by it.
   
   Not sure if that answered the question! - the extremists have the most difference but at the same time te most similarity between the two.
   (It's late...sorry if it didn't make sense!)

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Jacq: I hear "respectful?"  Jesus would have NEVER "fulfilled law" if "respectful!"  How do u chg 1 or tell TRUTH (which dff fm "religion") being "respectful?" TRUTH "hurts!" Heb 4:12 "...sharper than a two edged sword..."
      
      Modern Christianity=respec

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      jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus sat with lepers, comforted prostitutes, conveyed himself with respect. If only his more extreme followers were the same, they might have more luck.
      Thanks for the best answer.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Jacq: He did & said "Go & sin no more!"  (REBUKED)!  You'd love for WORD to be "respectful," (respect "ONE'S" sin)  but TRUTH doesn't "respect" SIN!
      
      Did ur mom "respect" ur "wrongdoings" (SIN)?
      
      Wake UP "world!"

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      RLWalker LMposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      But he still respected the person no matter the sin. I'm no Bible expert but I'm pretty sure Jesus was very much about forgiveness, even while being tortured and executed.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, due to their "ignorance," as is today, He said, "Forgive them for they know not what they do!"  And He did love the sinner, yet "hated" the sin as do I! I love ALL but do not "respect" their "opinion(s)" yet ALL r entitled (free will)!

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      jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yet Nor, your judgement is sin as you are doing Gods job as though u know his will. All sin is equal is it not? So why see fit to judge others on theirs? Hating the sin is forming judgement on a person - Let each answer to their own sin, but not 2 u

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Jacq: Doing what's ASKED! Jn 7:24; I Cor 6:3! Seems "harsh" if don't KNOW Scripture!  (Heb 4:12).  Judging 1's "actions" is not judging 1's spirit, only GOD can do that! REPEAT what HE said is my job then HE 'judges," not "me!"

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      jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Haha Jacqui.  I thought the days of scratched vinyl and stuck in a grove were over.  We will never have the last word.  Waste of time as ever.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Alan: If 1 has a "belief" PROVE! So say MY JESUS (HIS WORD)! II Tim 3:16!

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       jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       We'll see, Nor. Assuming yr sin is less when all sin is equal is arrogance.
       Alan - I know. Trying to be nice, respectful + attempt intellgent discussion rather than having verses thrown at me...may get there some day, may not. Can't hurt to try!

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       jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Norine, if there is a "heaven," and I am ever permitted to enter it, being the evil man that I am, then I will pray to god you are not there....you would turn it into a hell for me!  A place without rampant christians would be nice.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Jacq:  There's no definition of "sin" but GOD'S (WORD)!  "Whatever is not of "faith" is sin" (Rm 14:23). "Faith comes by hearing & hearing by WORD..(Rm 10:17)
       Alan: BELIEVERS won't care whose there, they'll PRAISE GOD 24/7!  Amen!

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       jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       That would make one hell of an incestuous gathering.  Noisey too.  Not my idea of a heaven!

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Alan: Why do u (unblvr) have an "idea" of a heaven? If 1 blvs no God, then no heaven! Or do I hear differently?

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       jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Have you no sense of humour?

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       jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, and we are all sinners and all sin r equal in Gods eyes -including yrs.  You go about telling people to repent as though u r free of sin or as tho yrs is less than the sin you are rallying against - be it homosexuality or anything else.

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       jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       That raises a good point, Jacquie. 
       Norine, in which department does your major sin reside?  Sexuality?  Sounds like there might be a few secrets which make you so up-tight about the "sins" of homosexuality.  Does this feed your Beliefs?

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       jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Hmmm, Alan, you could be on to something. What is it that they say about the most vehement homophobes? Someone either 'doth protest too much" not to be, or has a fixation. I'll continue to attempt conversation,  tho, see what happens!

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Guys: Y'all STOP "playing the devil's advocate!"  GOD sent ppl will NEVER be defeated by Satan!  He's ALREADY LOST!   READ! Teach=judge w/WORD, not what 1 (I) thinks! GOD'S WORD ONLY!
       
       After talking to unblving Hubbers, homosexuality exist in MOST

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       jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       But why the fixation for you, Norine? There are many more sins commuted by both the believing and unbeleiving - adultery, idolatry etc. Why fixated on homosexuality?

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       jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       What utter rubbish Norine!   Come out of the closet....the World awaits you. No time like the present.  At the moment of death Tomorrow Never Comes.  Live it up, Luv!

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Jacq: My "fixation" is JESUS but unblvrs on HubP seek blvrs to harass & intimidate due to exc knowledge (fun) n which I discovered MOST=homo & told TRUTH which hit sore spot! So here we r!
       
       Al: What a WASTE!

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       RLWalker LMposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       homosapien?

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       jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       You've still never proved that most atheists are gay, nor that most gay people are atheist with any stats (PEW is small number). So yr statements re: most do appear to be a coverup 4 yr fixation. I'm sorry, but it comes across like yr hiding somethin

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       jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I can't think what the waste might be.  My body will be recycled into very useful biproducts when it gets composted,  as is my wish.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       RL: Name calling isn't childish? 
       
       Jacq: I've provided! "Reprobate mind!" Sorry! Rm1:21-32
       
       Alan: UNBELIEVERS "can't" insult me! SATAN has already been defeated!
       
       WORD is ALL I have & ur unvalued "opinions" r irrelevant!
       
       TRUTH hurts?  Heb 4:1

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       RLWalker LMposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Homosapien means human. If that's what you mean by name calling. It was a joke meant to lighten and counter the word "homo" which is a derogatory term for gay.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       RL: I know. Thought you were using in derogatory term for all "human" (flesh=sin) is derogatory to me! Gay (happy) seems more derogatory to me. What's "gay" about having "A Cross to Bear?"

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       jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Norine, unintelligent self-brainwashing. Repeating your few selected texts from your book trying to convince yourself.  Yes you have an audience of relatively intelligent people.  You are laughable yet pathetic imho.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Alan: Well, I'm not the only 1 who "believes" n God! 75%? "Intelligent?" Yet remain in flesh (thinking)?  Again, SPIRIT ABOVE!
       
       Let's "see" who gets the LAST "laugh?"

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       jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       The one who laughs last is the one that's seen a funnier meaning.
       You are funny Norine.  That's at least one attribute under your belt.

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       jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Yet you aren't as vehement about other just as equal sins, so it comes across as though u may have an issue yrself. Provided? The research u provided proves nothing but that some LGBT r less religious, bt doesn't prove yr claim at all

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       jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I find this adamant rejection of anything human as being "sinful," as coming from a very sick mind.  Norine's is not the only one.  Several others in this thread have displayed equally sick notions.  Sad, when there so much beauty to be seen.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Alan: And "we" TRULY see the "beauty!"  Sin free is "beauty!" 
       
       What other manipulative organ does a human possess but "the mind" fm which sinful actions (EVIL) derive because of the lust (not only sex) of the flesh?
       
       I Jn 2:16

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       jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Lately as ever, I quit this thread.
       Norine you and your silly stuff are a waste of time.
       Your "god" continues to exist only in your mind.
       Your attitude of not being able to enter into any discussion without invoking that god makes it impossible. Bye.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Alan: Why don't u come up w/another book written BEFORE bible w/as many accurate prophecies as the bible, then u can say "NO GOD" IF u only use "reasoning & logic?"
       
       Bye. Good luck!

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       capncrunchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Jacqui, you are welcome for best answer selection.  And, your respectful responses throughout this thread has been noted.  Thank you for that!

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       jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks Cap'n!

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   Readmikenowposted 8 years ago

   I would say the big difference is that believers have a connection to the spiritual world and non-believers don't.  Believers understand this world and our time in it is temporary.  Believers understand there is another life after this one.  A speaker once told a group to close their eyes.  He then said for them to think of all the money they had or would have.  He then said for them to think about all the material possessions they had or would have.  He then said for them to think of their bodies.  Everybody was then told to open their eyes.  The speaker then said "Everything you just thought about stays in this world when you leave it.  And you will eventually leave it.  So what do you really own?" I always wonder if non-believers think this world is it, when you're done here, it's over and there's nothing else.  Seems like a pretty empty belief.  I'd wonder why we're here in the first place.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      "I'd wonder why we're here in the first place."  SELF reliance, SELF righteousness, SELF capabilities, SELF, SELF, SELF!  Spirit man doesn't exist for unblvrs!  Very "shallow" yet think INTELLIGENT?  Haven't ARRIVED yet!

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      My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Define "believers" and "non-believers".  "Believers" in what?  The Christian versions of God, the Jewish versions of God, the Muslim versions of God?  Then there are Buddhists, Hindus, etc. What of them?

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      BELEIVERS in the ONE & ONLY TRUE & LIVING GOD!  The GOD of ABRAHAM, ISSAC & JACOB who stated "Thou shalt have NO OTHER god before ME (Exd 20:3) which includes Muslim, Buddhists, Hindus, etc.

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   Jeramey Conradposted 8 years ago

   Non-believers will gravitate more to facts.
   
   Not saying that all scientists are atheists, but by not being a person of faith, you are by definition more inclined to be a person who needs genuine and thought-out reasons for knowing something, or believing that we know it.
   
   We all believed that we knew there were nine planets, until we were told this was not the case. Anyone could "have faith" there were nine planets, but as fact-based thinkers, we let those who study this and publish results decide better. This is different than clerics and theologians who interpret things on their own and then attract followers.
   
   A key component of science is that experiments can be reproduced. Anyone can have the hypothesis and anyone can test out the procedure. Gravity is not "open to interpretation" like the scriptures and science seldom comes under the sway of a charismatic leader who changes the whole playing field.

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      jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Welcome to HubPages, Jeramey.  A sensible and logical point of view that has not so-far attracted debate.  Maybe it can't!

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      Jeramey Conradposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Ha, thank you Alan! I'd like to think that's a common thread among my all of my points!

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      jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      On the contrary, there are many scientists including Einstein and Newton that believe in God. In fact, the more scientists dig in whatever discipline, they discover more mystery and see the amazement. Science is only a subset of the Universe.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      GO Jack Lee!  ONE DAY, I SAID "ONE DAY," ALL will come to the realization "THERE IS A GOD!"
      Amen Jerry! "Gravity is not "open to interpretation" like the scriptures and science seldom comes under the sway of a charismatic leader who changes.."

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      MonkeyShine75posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry Jeramey, I disagree, you are stereotyping, and that's not fair. Some of us who believe in God do search for proof

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Monkey: Then u r not a "true worshiper" (Jn 4:24) per Heb 11:1 "not seen!"
      "Faith" is absent if u still seek "proof" (hard evidence)!
      When 1 blvs & have "Faith" so much (w/pure heart) actions ("proof") are "manifested" to ALL men!

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      jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Jeramey obviously got bored with the nonsense you keep coming up with, Norine, so he left months ago.  You continue to spout nonsense, believing yourself to be intelligent.  What a delusion!

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Jeramey left but ALL will return to inevitable (death) which will then "make sense" but too late!  GOD (WORD) is "unintelligent?" LOL!  U will find out when u "appear before the judgmnt seat of Christ" ((2 Cor 5:10)! "Bored?" U'll see!

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    jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years ago

    I suspect the main difference is in the need for pretence - i.e., pretending to be something you are not.
    I could pretend that I " love the sinner but hate the sin," all the while pulling a veil over my own secret doings.
    I could pretend that no matter what I do that's questionable, to what ever degree, there is no one going to judge me for it but a ficticious character that I stand before after the occasion of my bodily death.
    Yet standing before my neighbours, I could pretend that my life is exemplary, all the while having predatary intentions upon their daughters or their sons.
    As a non-believer I could have any or all of those dispositions yet come out openly and honestly - without the hypocracy.  The greatest harm can be from the secrecy.  Dishonesty.  Makebelieve.
    It leads to distrust, let-down, hurt, disconnection.
    IMHO.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Alan: If u ONLY KNEW Scripture!  I Cor 3:18 says  (we) ".. chg from glory to glory..." into HIS likeness! If we're "changing," must not be "perfect" yet!  GOD "looks @ heart," whereas "man" looks @ "actions!"  GOD "will judge" ALL (even me)!Jer23:1

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       lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Alan. You make a good point except for one thing. The real believer knows that God sees everything and they might hide it from their neighbors but not from God!
       The one who really believes knows that hiding this stuff is ultimately a waste of time!

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       @Law: Amen!  Therefore, who CARES what "man says or sees" for GOD "LOOKS @ "THE HEART!"

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    Max Harmonposted 8 years ago

    It may not be intelligence so much as perceptivity and honesty and one's predisposition to love or hate truth that separates us.  We may admire the brilliance of our brightest, but humans by in large all operate on the same basic level of intellectual prowess currently.  If it were to happen for example that all the functioning things we empirically observe everyday have come about in a direct cause and effect relationship due to the manipulation of materials by intelligence and its intervention of design, for all the things of which we can verify the origin of their functionality and simply imagine a different scenario for other physical items even though we know that things in physics must behave the same in every case whether we can observe them or not, then the separation in disbelief of reality stems from perceptivity in terms of delusion, honesty, in terms of self-deception and the natural disposition of the many to hate or reject truth.  This is the difference you query between believers and non-believers as you call them, given the scope of this format.  However, you should know there is no such thing as nonbelievers.

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       jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Another difference is that I, as a "non-believer," can respect and allow your belief and not try to change it.  There are not many "believers" who will return the compliment. 
       I have no need for a "hoped-for" after death.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Alan: Think in advance. On dying bed, "afraid" to enter "unknown." (Unnatural to say "I'm not" so don't go there!) What then? You'll SEE!
       
       Why not b prepared ("in the event")? Doesn't "cost" anything but "denying" SELF & rec "rewards" n THIS LIFE

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       Max Harmonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       fascinating deflection.  I only answered what you yourself asked.  Who told you I was doing something to you?  Your deception to yourself allowed you to feel it was not simple reality tugging at you by shifting you to something you could question.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Max: I beg your pardon?  Were u speaking to me?

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    jackclee lmposted 8 years ago

    As a believer, I think the difference is knowing there is a purpose to life. I wrote a hub on that topic. You might want to check it out.

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       jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Here is link to my hub -
       http://jackcleelm.hubpages.com/hub/Mean … se-of-Life

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    Danny Cabanissposted 8 years ago

    I am an intelligent believer, which some here seem to see as an oxymoron, and I have a number of non-believing friends, and read the thoughts of non-believers and such.  I don't really focus on our differences.  When a non-believer sees the difference, up close and personal, it is a powerful thing.

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       lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this

       So agree with this!

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Dan: I just told unblvr this!  Ex: If 1's "mind" tell him to go n opposite direction fm planned & avoided danger=GOD but when 1 tells ppl of exp, no "proof" to them but u KNOW bcuz "experienced!"
       
       Same w/blvr telling unblvr="no proof" but REAL!

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       My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Here is the problem, Danny, with the term "non-believer", it has no meaning without being put in context and given a definition.  Am I a NB of the monotheistic God ...yes; am I a NB of a spiritual God ... no.  From my perspective, you are the NB.

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    MonkeyShine75posted 8 years ago

    Non-believers think there are no repercussions to their actions, those who believe in God, know there are. We reap what we sow
    When troubles come, believers have hope

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Amen!

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       MonkeyShine75posted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Norine, I don't want or need you to "Amen" anything I say. They closed the other thread just before I told you off

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Monkey: If u speak TRUTH fm WORD, whether u "need me to Amen" or not GOD Amen's via HIS WORD!  When I write Amen, GOD has said IT no matter who (YOU or anyone else) writes!
       Why do u feel the need "to tell ME off" when WORD (GOD) is given?
       Gal 4:16!

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    johncecconposted 8 years ago

    My daughter, and a bunch of her friends are non-believers. They pray to the universe. I'm a believer, I pray to the one who created the universe. I'm not hating on the universe or anything. It's big. It's beautiful. It took 14 billion years to make. I get it. The universe is cool. I just like to cut out the middle man and go straight to the source.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Spoken as a believer "...cut out the middle man..." 
       
       It's ALL "Spiritual" (HIS WORD) not "man" (flesh) or his belief, understanding, interpretation but "revelation" from the Holy Spirit which is in agreement w/WORD!

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       My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       But isn't the one who created the universe and the universe simply two sides of the same coin?

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       MY: The One who "created the universe" (GOD=HOLY=LOVE) while the "universe" (world=sin=evil)! 
       
       How can it "simply (be) two sides of THE SAME coin?"
       
       Although GOD created ALL, He has NO PART w/sin & allows ALL "free will!"

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    passionatelearnrposted 8 years ago

    I think believers suffer less from depression because they don't try to control the situation much,they believe that everything is in the hands of God,they can only make attempts but success is not in their control.Not trying to control the outcome prevents them from severe depression.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Amen! "Let go and let GOD!"  REST!

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       MonkeyShine75posted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Another reason is that they have hope, and hope gives us strength to go on

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       Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Very True Esoteric,  you speak truth !

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    Kiss andTalesposted 8 years ago

    Division  is a simple understanding , God Almighty and his seeds of representatives. / Government
    
    satan and his seeds of representatives/ Governments
    
    There is no in between.
    
    The first prophecy written in the garden is part of the theme of the bible.
    
    (Ge 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, (Jesus )and you will strike him in the heel.”) (satan)
    
    Many have missed this important detail that states kingdom meaning Goverment is totally throughout the bible even in the end.
    
    The point is while many are arguing over local matters
    Of earth and the many things seen now will change
    Drastically.  Because all matters will go into the proper hands soon,
    Notice what is written ,
    This simply means 2Co 4:18 while we keep our eyes, not on the things seen, but on the things unseen. For the things seen are temporary, but the things unseen are everlasting.
    Your subject is based off of this truth.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       "Many have missed this important detail that states kingdom meaning Goverment is totally throughout the bible even in the end."  "Kingdom"=LIVING WORD until "leavened" into His likeness! (Lk 13:20-21). I AGREE "New Govt"=no citizen if not n SPIRIT!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Esoteric you use the word expectations,
       True, but expecting is still believing in the situation. You may feel comfortable with the word , the bible uses the word as well,
       Heb 11:1Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for,

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    My Esotericposted 8 years ago

    Which "higher power" are you talking about?  The only group the flat-out denies the existance of a higher power are labeled atheists.  For agnostics, the jury is still out.
    
    Ruling those two out, the question is not answerable because the subjects of the comparison are unknown and whether the "higher power" you refer to is any power or a specific one.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Of yes!  It's "answerable!"Can u provide a book written BEFORE bible w/as many fulfilled prophecies? If not, there's your "proof!"  Ex:Has ur "mind" told u to go 1 way u hadn't plan'd an u avoided danger. GOD! Proof 2 u not others!

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       My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       The problem, Norine, is that the Bible is not proof of anything either.  It is a compilation of thoughts of earthly men, manipulated by the Catholic Church to tell a message THEY want told, not your God's

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       Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       To myeso, your question makes no sense to saywhy did God make sinful flesh.
       Is like saying some one makes a perfect cake, but the people you give it to throws it on the  floor,
       So the question is why would these people use their free will wrong .

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       My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Somehow I conflated two of Norine's comments.  What I meant to refer to is "(GOD=HOLY=LOVE) while the "universe" (world=sin=evil)!"  My statement still stands.  What the above says is since God created the world, He must have created sin and evil.

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       Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I still do not see God creating evil, or sin,
       As an example , you bring a child into the world as loving parents,  you teach your child it is wrong to steal and lie,and the child grows to be an adult and decides they will lie and steal, who's fault

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       My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Then you disagree with Norine's comment that World = Sin = Evil?

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       MY: No one can find a book. Proof for blvrs! WORD (Holy Spirit) directs path (Jn 14:26)!
       
       K&T WRONG! Is 45:7 He "created good & evil!'
       
       Problem MY, u don't BELIEVE which prevents "PROOF!"
       
       She can't disagree or DEFY SCRIPTURE (AS USUAL)!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Norine , the scriptures is very clear ,
       Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempteth no man:
       Jas 1:14 (inticed by his own desire )

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       My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Norine says "Problem MY, u don't BELIEVE which prevents "PROOF!""  BUT "Proof" requires an observation that looks same 2 all observers, logic based on premises which reasonable people agree is true, or mathematics. "Belief" plays no part, does it?

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        Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        In this case ones beliefs can be wrong,but that does not mean the truth is missing , one can be given wrong instructions to travel a journey, it will lead them nowhere but a dead end.
        The real map read right can get you to your destination of truth.

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        Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        K&T: I gave WORD in Is "GOD created good & evil" but u call a LIE saying "inticed by own desire" (WORD)? Really? You are LOST K&T not BELIEVING what IS WRITTEN! Being self righteous (taught) is path to "dead end!"
        MY: U need HELP! U blv

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    Rohan Kulkarniposted 8 years ago

    There is actually not much difference between them besides every individual is different and have different views may he being a non-believer or believer,  i mean all equal in god's mind.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Not "all equal in god's mind" Eph 2:5 says "..we were DEAD in sins.."  (Spirit thing)! So for those "in sins,"=DEAD (spiritually)! This is why "marriages" in sin, GOD doesn't recognize for marriage is a spiritual thg as is worshiping GOD! Eph 5:23!

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    BibiLuzarragaposted 8 years ago

    Gosh, that is a very, very complicated question; have you ever seen the History2 Channel which may answer your question (or not); I like to watch their series "Ancient Aliens"; in fact, the H2 channel has provided several theories that nearly all of mankind are some sort of aliens--be it that Planet Earth WAS visited and influenced by aliens and shaped ideologies, religions, worship, etcetera as the aliens referred to themselves as 'gods' and 'goddesses' from other worlds and get this, experimented, or rather, actually mixed alien DNA with human DNA to create their species on Planet Earth as far back as The Beginning of Time; I for one, am disappointed to know that Planet Earth may actually be a planet full of billions upon billions of aliens whom believe, or do not believe and question, the ancient mythologies, the ancient religions, including Christianity, Judaism, the Muslim faith and well, all religions including concepts that the Holy Grail is an object, or as Dan Brown's book, The Davinci Code, actually states that The Holy Grail WAS INDEED Mary Magdalene; I may have confused you (and I hope not), however, we must keep an open mind to know the truth; in any case, all religions are one, therefore, what are all the wars about anyway--Bibi Luzarraga.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Great example of one "leaning to own (man's) understanding" (Prov 3:5)  & not relying on Holy Spirit! (Rm 1:25) "Open minds" kill!

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       capncrunchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, Consuelo De Bilbao Luzarraga, I have seen Ancient Aliens and other similar theories.  Some are fascinating to say the least.  In this day and age where graphics are able to have us see things like never before, it does give cause for pondering.

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    Virginia Allainposted 8 years ago

    I see people who are quite religious sometimes fail to take action on their own behalf. "I'll pray about it," they often say.
    
    People who are non-believers know that if they want something to happen, they will have to take action to cause that.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Only GOD can chg their "stinking thinking" & renew their minds.  It's our duty to "Teach!" (Matt 28:20) for "...GOD gives the increase." (I Cor 3:6)

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       capncrunchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       That is a very good point, Virginia Allain.  That very well may be a major difference.  To simply say I will pray, yet take no actual action is a contradiction in itself.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       GUYS: What happens when 1 who says "I believe" doesn't utilize the "GIFT" of the Holy Spirit who "WORKS" given us (Jn 14:26;16:13)! BELIEVERS "should" know this! HOLY SPIRIT "works," not we ourselves! (Eph 2:8-10)

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       My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       One's best bet is to believe in a Creator that gave you the tools to lead an ethical life and then sent you on your way.  Life will be good if you use them, life won't be if you don't.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       My: "(GOD) gave you the tools to lead an ethical life and then sent you on your way." "Ethical life" is written in HIS WORD! "Sent u on ur way?" He'll NEVER leave us! Who told u this?

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       MonkeyShine75posted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, God said His Spirit would not with man, because he was flesh
       Genesis 6:3
       And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Monkey: Did u notice v2? Man began to "sin" & His Spirit does not "strive w/man" who "sins!"
       This is another subject re: Marrying w/o knowing God which isn't a Marriage "As GOD intended!"

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    tamarawilhiteposted 8 years ago

    For atheists, a greater tendency to try to use science to explain everything - there's a great TED talk on scientism and its pitfalls about this, especially when you can design studies or interpret results as proof for your point of view.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       "Proof" demanded by Atheist is a demand for "physical" or "carnal" results!
       GOD demands "Spiritual" "PROOF" fm (1's heart) His Worshipers then HE gives results (Jn 4:24)!
       Makes sense ONLY to those who "Walk in the Spirit" (Gal 5:16)!

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