Freedom of religion

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   [2:194] And fight them until there is no persecution, and religion is freely professed for Allah. But if they desist, then remember that no hostility is allowed except against the aggressors.
   
   http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=193
   
   The words that i.e., and religion is professed for  Allah, would ,therefore, mean that Muslims should fight till profession of a faith is not influenced by the fear of men, but  that  whatever religion a man follows, he should follow it freely ,only for the sake of God, and not out of the fear of men. This borne out by the fact that Muhammad entered into a number of treaties of peace with Meccans disbelievers, which could have no justification if the divine commandment had been to continue fighting until all embraced Islam.
   
   The object of Muhammad’s wars with Meccans- the aggressors and perpetuators of persecution, is clearly stated in the verses 22:40-42, which were the first verses that gave Muslims the permission to take up arms against Meccans- the disbelievers and the ideas has been further clarified  in 2:191-193.

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      Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      But, if Muhammad did not push Islam onto the people, there would be no need for them to take up arms and start wars. Hence, it was Muhammad who started the wars.

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   kessposted 13 years ago

   I can show you a better way.....
   
   See no sin in no man..for if you create it for him you also create it for yourself.
   
   If a man rises up against you and your God,,allow him for this is his day let him have it.

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   The object of Muhammad’s wars with Meccans- the aggressors and perpetuators of persecution, is clearly stated in the verses 22:40-42, which were the first verses that gave Muslims the permission to take up arms against Meccans- the disbelievers and the ideas has been further clarified  in 2:191-193.

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      Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      And, while history shows the Islamic Conquests as something completely different from your holy book, it does not preclude the millions who died as a result of those conquests.
      
      No holy book of "peace" would ever offer "permission to take up arms" or condone wars.
      
      Yes, I understand you believe you have the right to take up arms and engage in war as offered from your holy book, but that obviously does not offer a peaceful solution.

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         Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Prophecies coming true. The children of Abraham leading us all to Armageddon...and not one thing anyone can do to stop it.

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            paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            By accepting the Truth humanity would be saved, for sure.

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               Disappearingheadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               By accepting Islam's version of the truth is what you really mean. But even then that would not work because the Shiites and Sunnis keep trying to kill each other.

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                  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  That is just politics; it has nothing to do with core religion or with Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

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                     Disappearingheadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Politics it may be Paar, but every Muslim I've met keep telling me it's a religion of peace. Tell that to the Sunnis and Shiites.....

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                        Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        And the Katholics an Proddies huh?
                        LOLOLO
                        
                        This is why your religion causes so many wars.
                        
                        

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                           Disappearingheadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Bugger, I knew that was coming.

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                     Jesus was a hippyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Thats pretty much what christians say when you point out all the different denominations and disagreements on the tenets of christianity.
                     
                     Islam is no different. I've spoken to a few muslims and just like the christians I have met, they all disagree on different parts of islam.

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                     Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Ah, but Islam demands it guides all things in a Muslims life divinely, and that includes politics. No Muslim would ever make a political decision that would offend or transgress the core religion, the Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

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               just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Yes I agree with you. Humanity needs to accept the truth. Religions are bogus. They are overrated and unable to do anything but create strife. If you doubt, just look at the response to your religious OP. Way to point out the obvious paar. You ready to accept this truth?

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                  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

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                     Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Nice clip job Paar, just to support your position, so as to show someone agrees with you.
                     
                     You forgot the next statement- Religion is BOGUS!
                     
                     The only truth is- there is no god watching over anyone. Learn to live with it.

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                        paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        There is more to it Cagsil.
                        
                        The only truth is- the Creator-God does exist and is watching over everyone. Learn to live with it, please.

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                           Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           You just never stop threatening people, do you.

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                           Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Hey Paar, it's nice to see you don't have the ability to understand the world around you or the knowledge humankind has already collected.
                           
                           Good job. I hope you're happy with yourself. It's actually a disappointment to the rest of the world, that you cannot be honest with yourself and a detriment to others. I'm sure you cannot see that either, but figured I would point it out.
                           
                           As for me denying the existence of a god. I don't. I cannot deny something that does not exist to begin with, except for what is in the imaginations of people like you.
                           
                           You claim to understand a god, yet most likely, even your religion, tells you to obey and not question, but the actual truth really is that YOU nor anyone would ever be able to fathom what a god would be thinking or trying to convey, if one existed.

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                           Jesus was a hippyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Do you learn to live with the Hindu god Vishnu being a fact and watching over you?
                           
                           You shouldnt assert things as true unless you can demonstrate them to be true.
                           
                           If you do that then you are one of two things. You are either deluded or you are a liar.
                           
                           Im not being insulting either, I am being honest.

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                              paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              It is very natural and obvious that Creator-God does exist.

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                                 earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 I'm from Missouri, show me this god!

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                                 Jesus was a hippyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 Natural? By definition the god o the koran is SUPERnatural which means he is not natural.
                                 
                                 It is also NOT obvious if you have the slightest clue about physics, abiogenesis and evolution.

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   earnestshubposted 13 years ago

   I prefer freedom FROM religion myself.

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      Joy56posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      that's funny

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         Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Aliens, older than life on earth, so highly advanced, it would blow your mind. They dictated the first five books, the ones credited to Moses. You ever try to explain something technical to a shepherd? This is their little terraforming/colonization experiment. Think of the galaxies as swirling groups of brain cells. And, Hate to be the bearer, Earnest...Freedom is an illusion. Responsibility and commitment negate freedom and free will.

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   The object of Muhammad’s wars with Meccans- the aggressors and perpetuators of persecution, is clearly stated in the verses 22:40-42, which were the first verses that gave Muslims the permission to take up arms against Meccans- the disbelievers and the ideas has been further clarified  in 2:191-193. It was just to establish freedom of religion for everybody and right of co-existence for everybody.

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      Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, Islam condones violence towards anyone who threatens it or does not accept it. That's why it is not a religion of peace.

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