this is an example of religious fear the above picture is of muhammad NOT but before you entered what made you enter curiousity or did you want to see what he looked like because it is not a good thing to show pics of him is now bull............
Numerous passages in the Qurâ��an prohibit idolatry, and worshipping statues or pictures, but there is not even single verse in the Qurâ��an that explicitly or implicitly says not to have any pictures of Muhammad. This bears repeating: There is not a single verse in the Qurâ��an that prohibits making or having pictures of Muhammad or people or animals or trees. In fact, there are some verses in the Qurâ��an which mention images in a positive context and which therefore presuppose that some statues or images were approved by God
surpise it is not but this just shows you how others use fear to control and by the way all beliefs are guilty of this.
the point and the question is when people stop and think and look at their own beliefs do they follow out of fear or not?do people really need this bull in there lifes?and before the religious diehards start talking about it giving them comfort and peace STOP you do not use religion for comfort and peace and if you are truly honest with yourselfs you will see it is fear that drives all your beliefs ALL no exceptions
and for paradigmsearch whom i find very interesting and openminded with a sence of fun here is a pic of muhammad
You know, it seems to me that this Muslim fanaticism about not showing a picture of Mohamed is the idolatry they claim they are avoiding. It would be funny, if they weren't so violent about it.
paradigmsearch no fear this is all on me i have dealt with stupid and violent all the time the trick is to have all the facts on your side
emile r your right it is funny the human race is hell bend on destroying itself over a belief i think it is really sad
Hey everybody! I don't know why, but I truely respect all Muslims out there. My best friend is a Muslim, and to be honest, if it's their belief not to show a picture of their prophet, then it's their belief! We don't need to offend others or make fun of them just because of what they believe in. Reading through this made me think about ethnocentrism in America. We see our culture, country, religion as the best and we think that all others are "stupid" or "violent" like many of you mentioned.
I wanted to address the point of following a religion because of fear vs. love. If the Muslim prophet (Muhammad) forced people to believe in Islam out of fear, then do you think Islam would have been the fastest growing religion in the world? Or do you think that as a religion Islam would have lasted?
My friends, I think that you are not seeing the big picture here. We only see our religions and cultures as the best; and if any new or absurd view is proposed to us, we call it "stupid" or "violent." Why? Why don't we just accept each other. Islam is just another monotheistic religion like Christianity and Judaism. Why do we base all of our thoughts on it because of some terrorists?
Anyhow, I hope that I made sense!
It is a basic tenet of Islam to kill all non-believers. Until they get around to tossing out that particular “commandment”, I will continue to have no respect for them.
It is your opinion not to respect them. But from where did you get the fact that it is "a basic tenet of Islam to kill all non believers?" You know, if that was true, my Muslim best friend would have murdered me since I'm a Christian! LOL
It is true. Any Muslim will confirm it, including your friend. The sane ones, such as your friend, simply ignore that particular decree.
Okay..thanks for calling my best friend ignorant! Even though I see all peace and love in her eyes. May I ask you where did you get all your info about Islam killing non believers from? Was it from the Quran? Media? Or what?
I do not think your friend is ignorant. I don't understand why you think that.
As to my source of information, it is from Muslims. I have to assume they know what they are talking about. After all, it is their religion.
Well, I don't know what kind of Muslims you were talking to. Besides, why in the world would they say that to you? If it was really true that they should kill all non believers, then they would have killed you on the spot. I read the Quran and some of their Prophet's sayings, and to be honest, I never found anything violent about their religion. So I suggest you read more if you wanna find the truth.
I suggest you ask your friend and get back to us.
Actually, I have asked her and read more about the religion than yourself. And nothing seams suspicious to me. Anyhow, this is America, you believe what you want to. And you are free to believe whatever suites you! I always try to base my beliefs on facts, information, and real people. If you try to base your beliefs on some unreliable info, then you are absolutely free to do so
And remember to ask her what her religion believes, not what she believes. From what you have said, they are obviously not one and the same.
You know something? Even if I did not ask her what her religion believes, I know enough about her religion. I have read their holy book and sayings from their prophet. So why should I even question any further? I know the truth...I know that Muslims are not what they seem. Don't judge a book by its cover-this is all I can say back to you. And you are absolutely free to believe in whatever you wish, but that's the point I wanted to make
Here ya go.
KORAN commands to kill infidels:
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43
If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8
You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71
Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89
Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67
Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3
When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5
Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73
Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....
As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15
Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60
Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14
When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.
Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5
Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25
Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29
Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51
Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame. (verse cited in Newsweek 2/11/02)
KORAN promises of houris in heaven:
Single-minded slaves of Allah... will be honored in the Gardens of delight, on couches facing one another; A cup from a gushing spring is brought round for them, white, delicious to the drinkers, wherein there is no headache nor are they made mad thereby. And with them are those of modest gaze, with lovely eyes, pure as they were hidden eggs. - Surah 37:40-49
Lo, for those who ward off evil is a happy journey's end, Gardens of Eden, whereof the gates are opened for the, wherein, reclining, they call for plenteous fruit and cool drink therein. And with them are those of modest gaze, companions. This it is that ye are promised for the Day of Reckoning. - 38:50-54
Lo! Those who kept their duty will be in a place secure, amid gardens and water-springs, attired in silk and silk embroidery, facing one another.... And we shall wed them unto fair ones with wide, lovely eyes. They call therein for every fruit in safety. They taste not death therein, save the first death. And He hath saved them from the doom of hell, a bounty from thy Lord. That is the supreme triumph. - 44:51-57
Lo! Those who kept their duty dwell in gardens and delight... reclining on ranged couches. And we wed them unto fair ones with wide, lovely eyes... and we provide them with fruit and meat such as they desire.... - 52:17-22
...Reclining upon couches lined with silk brocade, the fruit of both the gardens near to hand.... Therein are those of modest gaze, whom neither man nor jinni will have touched before them.... - 55:54-56
Those are they who will be brought nigh, in gardens of delight... reclining therein face to face. There wait on them immortal youths... and fair ones with wide, lovely eyes, like unto hidden pearls, reward for what they used to do.... Lo! We have created them a creation, and made them virgins, lovers, friends. - 56:11-37
(Different translation) Companions with beautiful, big and lustrous eyes... virgin-pure and undefiled.
Koran "sharia" punishments:
As for the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah. - Surah 5:38
OMG! Valuable info!! You know, when I read the Quran, I read all of the interpretations of these verses.
So let me start explaining to you what Allah (god) means when he says "Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter." I will use an example to make this simple for you. If someone comes to your house and says "get out!" Will you get out without making a fuss? I bet you my life you wouldn't. So here in this verse, Allah says "drive them out of the places whence they drove you out," now in the past, Muslims were Mecca were expelled from their home land because of their beliefs. So God is telling them here to fight back and defend themselves. He does NOT say kill the nonbelievers just cause it's cool.
Okay Back to the other verse that says "fighting is obligatory..." The interpretation of this verse, as I read before, was also concerning self-defense. Besides, if Allah really told Muslims to kill all nonbelievers, then there would not be non believers in Syria, Turkey and all those middle eastern countries. I am originally a Syrian christian and like I said, if what Allah is saying is the way you interpreted it, then I would have been killed since I was living there!
For this verse: Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. Allah is talking to the prohphet Muhammad about fighting back the ones who have hurted him. And back in his time, many people would make religious deals with Muhammad, but then they would turn out to be spies. So god ordered Muhammad to kill them.
To relate this info better with you...what does America do when a soldier falls in treason? Chop chop...they kill him. Why? Because he is a hypocrite. Makes sense?
All right, for the stealing verse and hand-chopping. My friend, this is a rule that is practiced in Islamic countries..why does it even bother you? It didn't say something like "chop off the hands of non believers!" Why are you so proud of your religion and culture that others seem blatantly wrong and evil to you. Besides, that's exactly why you don't see that many crimes in Islamic countries...because people don't steal because of the stealing rule!
Start it!! I have studied Quranic literature and I will be more than happy to respond to any specific questions you have. Please...I am not here to argue. And you have the total right to believe in whatever you desire!
Sorry. I went back and deleted it. I decided that I didn't want to wake up dead.
Hehehehe...thanks for the laugh! Anyhow, thank you for your input on this forum. Remember that you always have the free will to believe whatever you please. Please if you have any specific questions, you can contact me through my profile.
Stop right there this is not an attack on a religion this is a look at how people view it all religions have fanatics what is being said is that their way of dealing with their belief is thier misunderstanding of thier religion all beliefs are the same and yes that makes those people stupid and violent
Hang on...I am confused. You mean that all fanatics in all religions are "stupid and violent?" Or are you just focussing on a specific group of people? If you consider all religions the same, then why don't we all make fun of Muslims, Christians, and Jews..etc all together rather than focus only on one group? My question is...why do we only disrespect Muslims?
This is too religions lailax people read thier holy books and see only what they want to see and I say that about them all not just Muslims but all Jews Catholics all your friend has her head screwed on right and uses her belief to enrich life but others don't and that allies to all religions
@Knight6 - there was no need for this ... what is the purpose? where did all this hate come from in you guys is what i would love to know. did believers throw their religious rules in your face? or are you just another fanatic who is exactly the same as the islamic suicide bombers BUT on the opposing side?
Pictures were not liked by Prophet Muhammad. there are various hadith where he specifically mentions pictures. for example ...
Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 72 :: Hadith 833
Narrated Abu Talha :
The Prophet said, "Angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or there are pictures."
Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 63 :: Hadith 259
Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
The Prophet cursed the lady who practices tattooing and the one who gets herself tattooed, and one who eats (takes) Riba' (usury) and the one who gives it. And he prohibited taking the price of a dog, and the money earned by prostitution, and cursed the makers of pictures.
The majority of muslims do not want a picture to be shown of the prophet because they fear people will start worshipping his picture as was done in the past. Maybe that is why the Prophet strictly prohibited making pictures.
arksys do not make the mistake of thinking this is an attack on a single religion it is not it is to prove a point all religions all over the world work if people use it for what it was meant to be used for and that was to enrich life enlighten minds share all knowledge but then some people decided they didnt want that and splits occured within all religions and these splits caused fanitics to do and say things for thier own needs they also use thier religion to commit some horrible acts of violence against other people and all in the name of thier religion priest and nuns of the catholic church raped and abused children and when it came to pay the price they hid behind cannon law and nobody said or did anything when a newspaper printed a pic of muhammad the muslim fanitics responded with violence and set about a fear that the whole world was afraid of print a pic of muhammad a pay the price with violence in israel the Israelis fight with the Palestinians over land that one believe according to thier religion belongs to them and the number of people who have died because of this is even more horrific why did you enter this topic was it because of the title did you think i was wrong to show a pic did i offend your religion and if i did then to YOU i say sorry but (and here is when it gets real) all those people all over the world who have taken a beautiful idea of belief and hope and i talk of all religions not just one or two and spit all over its purity and beauty and then use what bits they feel will help them in thier own personnal cause which 99% of the time is not for good then yes i do hate these people they have no right to destroy anyone for reasons they feel are right they do not speak for the majority of catholics muslims jews and every other religion too many too mention they are the minority and the human race needs to wake up and take back from these handful of people who have used fear and in timidation you control
before you think i am doing this out of a religion myself i am not and think people can follow what ever they want but if they start inflicting pain and misery on others then they should be prepared for people to look closer at thier beliefs and question them they should be prepared for people to find out that it is not religion that is at fault but a minority of people who use the religion they belief in for thier own needs i have no religious ties to anyone i question i ask i want to understand i am trying to come to grips with why and i say to the minority of people who misuse this beautiful idea people will no longer take it
agian arksys i say to YOU i am sorry if i have offended you and what you believe in but the minority must be stood up too for the human race to Survive fear is and will be its final down fall
no worries knight6 ... and thank you for apologising ... i know my faith is strong enough and a picture will do nothing to deter it... i was not offended as much as thinking ... "oh no... not another episode of pictures of the prophet and burning of the Quran".
I agree that there are fanatics who make lives difficult for everyone... i've had that done with myself for not agreeing to do something because i thought it was wrong according to teachings and have found myself to be more and more isolated with time within my own ppl ... but i don't let them get to me.
I've mostly stopped listening to the preachers and have recently started doing my own research when i need to know something ... one thing i have noticed is that the preachers say 95% of what is in the scriptures but also add 5% of their own story, which messes everything up. I also question the translations of the Quran ... after all its people who translated it. I will take me a lot of time to get a grip of it all ... but i know my way is right for me.
I also agree with you that its the poeple and not the religion at fault. but its a majority, not a minority who seem to be guiding and walking in the wrong direction.
First of All I am a Muslim, and I click on this honestly not to see the Picture of prophit Muhammed, the reason was Just to know your reason to post it. and I have to admit that this is a very honest and good discussion.
First of All I believe that God and Prophits should not been pictured or made fun of. If you were Muslim or Christin or Jew you should respect God and you should respect all prophit the only issue that non muslims have is that they don't believe that Prophit Muhammed was actually a prophit and sometimes try (not all of them) to offend muslims by attacking their prophit. nontheless I am not here to talk about religions and prophits and what is allowed and what is not.. I will talk about very simple thing its humanity which means that I should respect your humanity as you should respect mine. and in any conversation no matter what was it do not try to offend people or make fun of them because of their religion, color, country, their family try to make your conversaions about facts and not personal stuff and ((remmeber I may have a different opionin than you have but we are not different both of us are humans))
thanks Knight6 for this post and for your explanasion all what you said was right its the fault of people how are trying to make religion take us apart although we are all the same. execuse my missplling.
That's not a picture of Muhammed , he was very pale in complexion that man in the photo is to dark
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