Anti-religious fanatics use certain words and phrases in their arguments on these forums. I'm making a little study of the ones most commonly used. Here are some of my finds: Hilarious (as in, not funny at all), fallacy (not to be confused with phallus and relating to any kind of belief that has not been certified as true by Saint Richard Dawkins, sorry that's DR. Richard Dawkins), brainwashing (regarding teaching children right and wrong), psychotic religion (an immovable preoccupation by atheists with the god of the Old Testament as representing ALL religious practice). Please be so good as to also share some terms that you seen used repeatedly. Cheers.
I think the reason why I find 'false logic' an awkward phrase is because the argument revolves around one person believing something which is unprovable. It is no good to simply call the person a liar.
I'm pretty sure the brainwashing that some people refer to isn't simply about teaching children right and wrong. Certainly teaching kids right and wrong can be done outside of any religion. When I hear people claim that kids are being brainwashed it's usually about telling kids that they are being judged by God, going to heaven or hell depending on how they live their life, gay is a sin etc. I guess if that's teaching children right and wrong for some people then you are right. I just have a different perspective.
But why does it have to be brainwashing? If that is the case then all parenting is a form of brainwashing. We look up to our parents, they have opinions, we take them as gospel until the time when we begin to reason for ourselves. It may be that we come to different conclusions, or not. The reason I started this thread was that there are certain words which are used specifically in relation to religious people but not for other sort of ideology. I would simply say that not encouraging your children to think independently is poor parenting.
And I suppose if you were in charge, you'd ban all religious teaching? What I'm saying is that a normal parent shares his or her beliefs with their children. Beliefs about racism, for example, or vegetarianism, or a right to bear arms. Are strong opinions neccessarily abuse? If you seem them as abuse coming from one ideology, it must be the case with all ideology. And yes, brainwashing is abuse.
If you mean do I think idiotic creationism should be taught in schools, I absolutely do not.
I'd love to see COMPARATIVE religion taught in schools. That is, a course covering ALL major religions and atheism and agnosticism and even some of the minor religions. I'd like to see kids learn their history, their derivation, what distinguishes them and so on. I think that would help get rid of of a lot of fundamentalism.
Ohhhhh I will sooo look forward to your hub on this.
I've seen some other terms from other sites as well.
Some of my favorites are the Bible being referred to as a 'book of fairy tales'. 'rational' and 'reasoning' are almost constantly used as an argument against 'faith'.
I've also seen God referred to as 'an angry kid' who likes to throw temper tantrums. Oh the list goes on.
Since people cannot see beyond their ceiling, they don't want anyone else to either. And when you counter their argument by stating they are attacking you and to quit it, they claim that they were attacked first! I'm like huh? I didn't attack you, you attacked me. And then they say, nooo some other fundamentalist, gun-toting, womanizing, money grubbing fool hurt them.
I still scratch my head sometimes. So I just say, hey man, you need to see a shrink, this has nothing to do with God at all.
Why should religious people get any more respect than UFO nuts, or the crackpots who think our leaders are all reptiles?
I will absolutely defend your right to practice your religion, no matter how crazy it sounds to me. I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with you screaming my lungs out at anyone who tries to interfere with your right.
But I'm not going to *respect* your silly belief. That's asking far too much.
Here's my thing: If you don't bring it up, I'm not going to either. But the minute you do, you are fair game in my book.
I disagree. I don't think we should simply be courteous. Courtesy is a skin -deep manner. I think we should train ourselves to automatically respect whoever we encounter and also to try and love them. What a wonderful world if we all did that.
On a different note from the one already brought up, the religious probably don't have a right to call foul on this one. I've noticed a propensity on their part to imply that the nonbeliever is either dense, ignorant or deaf when it comes to spirituality. They tend to turn a blind eye to their own behavior.
I think the problem is that what is deemed vitriolic by one side of the debate is heralded as repartee by the other. Those who want respect for their views must be respectful of other views. This is a difficult concept for the devoutly religious, at times.
Pretty damning? I agree. But, I'd tread lightly with that particular argument. The views of many religious damn the rest of us simply because we disagree. Out of curiosity, what have you been taught is the ultimate fate of the non believer?
We were brought up to believe that if you knew the truth but chose to ignore it, you would be in danger of having a tormented soul in the afterlife. The non-believer gets an easier time, a fact which tends to be the source of much bitter mirth when you're young and rebellious.
Well, both sides have said that I'm not a Christian... Which is pretty awesome.
I tend to use the word zealot a lot. Hypocrite, judgmental, and intolerant too. I bring up "God's referral program" pretty often... but that's because "God's pyramid scheme" is a little harsh.
The "your religion causes so many wars" thing is brought up a lot... It always makes me laugh or roll my eyes. Mainly because it's a huge oversimplification and generalization that amounts to empty rhetoric.
Well with the first example, we can show that Chinese products are not symbolic of Chinese people. It isn't hard to prove this. In the second example, there is no evidence which completely rules out the miraculous, and therefore there's nothing fallacious about the conclusion. It is a matter of what the individual believes.
It is false because it is not the only possibility. Therefore, it is false to assume it is the only truth. It is called observational selection. Avoiding other possibilities to make the outcome absolutely true.
I'm not saying it couldn't be true.
They are different kinds of fallacies. The Chinese example and the god one.
The first example contains an untrue premise, invalidating the conclusion.
In the second example, there may be nothing fallacious about the conclusion, but there is nothing true, either. The logic doesn't follow and therefore the conclusion, true or not, doesn't follow from the statements.
The intent of the second example is to replace the statement that "Mr A was cured of cancer" to "God cured Mr. A of cancer", but it is not worded that way because it would become another premise, requiring proof. Thus the logic is false.
One of my favorite "words" to religious fanatics on HubPages would be, you're arrogant in thinking you know something that you can't possible know. Something that NO person on this earth can know. In regards to God and which religion is right even though they are all wrong
What's difficult is when those who are Christian or who have some sort of faith in God, who actually appreciate logic, respect other beliefs and other people, and who do NOT think that non-believers are stupid, dense, etc. get labeled by the same derogatory terms that those who are closed-minded, hateful, etc. get labeled with (and maybe sometimes deserve.) Unfortunately the stereotype of the Christian as a senseless idiot who blinds themselves to science, reason, logic, etc. has arisen because so many Christians have chosen to act in this way. Therefore, those Christians that are the exact opposite, are in immediate danger of the same stereotype and sometime spend more time fighting the stereotype that actually getting to voice what they really feel and believe and why they believe it. I hate the hatred, scorn, and disrespect that people of ALL beliefs and opinions have for those who don't believe the same. The worst for me to tolerate is the high-horse attitude which laughs and mocks at those they deem stupid. This applies to both Christian and non-Christian. It's sad Why can't people just love and understand each other (yes I'm an idealist. That's not reality. I know)
These are true but very simple examples. Sometimes we come across something which we intuitively know is true, like taking care of the elderly, for example. We know it and we don't look for proof for it. Is it an illogical fallacy to make such an unstudied generalisation? I would say that our logic, ie: our powers of deduction, is connected to our intuition. You cannot learn intuition, you are born with it. But how is it inherited? It is fine to call it natural alturism if you like, but I would say that it was equally fine to call it a spiritual facility: a connection to a spiritual God. There is no fairy to tell us this is true, but there is no genetic evidence to prove its existence either. In the end, we go with our inclination.
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