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Do You Have Trouble Holding Your Tongue In Forums?

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Hubpages Forum Opinion

I like reading the posts in Hubpages forums even if I never comment.

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Forum - Good Places To Get Advice?

Published on March 5, 2014. Mary McShane, All Rights Reserved

For the most part, the majority of forums on Hubpages are ideal places to ask opinions and questions, interact socially with other hubbers, and even learn about how to handle issues outside of Hubpages.

When there is an interesting question or topic posted in a forum, most people enjoy reading a good conversation, but don't always leave a comment, which is fine. Some will click “Follow” so an email notification can be sent to alert them of more activity on the forum.

In some forums, the helpful information is not always accurate or it will contradict other responses. Some forums are started by spammers with nonsensical text and best ignored. Other forums have posts which are not always written in a good spirit or in true forum etiquette. Some forums have threads of comments that turned from positive to negative.

It is nice to know there is usually someone to put the thread back on track, or a moderator who will intervene to set the record straight. But that is not always the case.

Considering we all come from different backgrounds, countries and lifestyles, some hubbers are borderline insulting to responders whose comments seem harmless to those of their culture, but are taken the wrong way in other cultures. Some insults are laced with innuendo which can be taken two ways and often are.

This, in turn, makes people respond again and again, causing the forum to become very active. More activity makes the forum move to the top of the main Hubpages feed, thereby attracting the attention of more readers.

Would you continue to comment?

A forum topic that you already commented on, has gone far afield in subsequent comments, even attacking other members. What would you do?

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Consider this "hypothetical" scenario

This is an illustration only; it is fictitious.

The players:

Jane Notherrealname - original posting hubber

Bob992 - one of the first 5 hubbers to answer, left forum shortly after, returned 12 hours later

Millie123456 - a veteran hubber

MarianZ - supportive hubber

Forum Activity:

Jane Notherrealname's Question:

I have three Hubpages accounts, which is acceptable by HP's TOS. This one is my primary name. I have one I use for posting recipes and a "quieter" name for posting poetry. I responded using my "recipe" name to a forum question about "how high fructose corn syrup can be hidden in recipe ingredients." Several of my responses drew a lot of heated replies so that my "recipe" name was being attacked for my opinions by many hubbers.

I signed out of my "recipe" account and signed into my "quieter poetry" account. I know this part was wrong, but I needed to protect myself and I couldn't do it under my "recipe" name because no one was listening to me. As my "poetry" name (which nobody knows is me), I then posted responses that defended the "recipe hubber" to say she was entitled to her opinions, which some people listened to and commented favorably. I politely said that people shouldn't attack someone for their views in a forum where we exchange ideas. The end result was I was banned for 3 days from Hubpages forums on my quiet "poetry" account because someone reported me saying I was using hateful speech, which I never did. If anything, they were using hateful speech against me!

My question is this: For any of you who have multiple Hubpages accounts, would you defend yourself with another account when attacked? And, has it ever happened to any of you? The Learning Center FAQs didn't address my question. Thanks to anyone who replies.

Within two hours, Jane Notherrealname received five replies to her question. Since she was satisfied with the information, she thanked everyone in a comment under each of their replies and never returned to the forum.

With no more input posted, the forum activity went quiet for several hours.

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Later ...

Around five hours later, Millie123456, a very active veteran hubber of about 6 years, was reading the forum replies and saw a comment made by a follower of hers named Bob992, a hubber she had a falling out with in another forum. She decided to comment on his answer to the multiple account topic.

She wrote: "Bob992 is an authority on this subject because, after all, he has five other Hubpages accounts which makes him well qualified to answer the question."

Posting this comment moved the forum to the top of the main Hubpages feed and attracted the attention of others. Within minutes, the forum got very lively with new comments:

  • "I didn't know you had more accounts, Bob992." by Millieskid1a
  • "Which ones are yours? Do I follow any of them?" by Millieskid2a
  • "I think you guys are totally out of line trying to expose Bob992's other names. We're allowed to have more than one account, so leave him alone." by MarianZ.

MarianZ's response earned her the distinct honor of replacing Bob992 as the new whipping boy for Millie123456 (and her friends) to kick around in the forum, which they did.

When dealing with confrontation ...

Do you think MarianZ's experience with Millie123456 will deter her from participating in future forums?

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From one innocent question

Despite the fact that Millie123456 was breaking many forum rules, MarianZ took it like a champ, until the conversation took a personal turn.

Millie123456 accused MarianZ of reporting certain long time hubbers while participating in another forum not long before, which resulted in two of her hubber friends being banned from the forums and one hubber who lost his Hubpages account.

True to her style, MarianZ reported each of the attacks using "report" button. She then posted in a reply box asking for a moderator to come to the forum. After half an hour, when no moderator came, she backed down, stopped responding and left the forum.

What started out as a sincere question by one hubber and was resolved in a few responses, now had more than 50 posts, scarcely related to the original poster's question.

Moderator input

Do you think moderators should step in when conversations resemble bullying in the forums?

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Moderate or not moderate?

Often a moderator will step in and give input on a posted forum topic, especially if it is a question to which they have an answer or when they want to straighten out some misinformation.

It is uncanny how they are around when those kinds of questions are asked, or when posts discuss the topic at length, but when someone is attacking another person in the forums, they are no where to be seen. Just sayin'.

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Report or not report?

Choose one answer. If you are attacked for your views expressed in a forum comment, or for your past actions, would you....

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Fast forward 12 hours.

Jane Notherrealname's forum comments continued for some time between the pack of hubbers who had descended on Bob992, alternating between commenting under Bob992's comments and continuing to attack MarianZ's comments. The comment thread now had over 200 posts.

Bob992 Returns

Bob992 did not have email notifications enabled on his account to be able to see the replies to the forum he had participated in earlier.

He went to the forum list to locate the question asked by Jane Notherrealname, but got waylaid when he saw it at the top of the main Hubpages feed. He was surprised to see over 200 comments by other hubbers, thinking what a wonderful place Hubpages is that people are so helpful.

Eager to see what other advice had been given, he entered the forum room and was horrified that some hubbers (names of people he followed and had considered friends) were talking about him and not the original posting party's question.

Upon reading the comments, he felt that these people were bullying him by exposing in a community forum that he had five other Hubpages accounts. He didn't mind that some of his friends knew of his other personas, but to air it in the Hubpages forums, it was a different matter. After all, he was not the topic here.

Bob992 wrote a response acknowledging that he had 5 accounts, but that the number of his accounts wasn't what was up for discussion.

He wrote that he resented being attacked by Millie123456 which incited others to continue negative posting. He reported the whole thread to Hubpages by selecting 'personal attack' from the drop down menu under the response. He saw how MarianZ was also attacked and he reported that thread too.

Commenting in Forums

Do you fully read the question and all the comments before replying in a forum?

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Activity means it's a good forum, right?

After seeing a high number of forum comments next to a title, any newcomer might think that the forum is quite lively.

Only after entering will they see from the comments if the forum is fun, if the information is truly educational, or if the forum has become a free-for-all in attacking other hubbers who commented.

So do you lurk? Or do you comment?

It is a matter of personal choice.

To be fair, a high number of comments usually indicates an active forum, promising much member input and exchange of ideas. Many people will keep updating subsequent posts with information they know to be fact and/or adding their opinions or experiences. There is usually much to be learned in this type of forum, so it pays to bookmark, to take notes and/or be a lurker here. But it also can pay to be a commenter here too if clarification is needed. In this type of forum, one can likely ask questions without fear or intimidation.

But in another type of forum, if many new posts are an attack on the previous posting party, or a post where someone is taking the side of one who has just been attacked, those types of forums have little or nothing of value to offer. Anyone commenting in this type of forum may become a target like MarianZ and end up caught in the fray.

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Disabling notifications

"I love the forums. I find the interaction there to be very educational, not to mention entertaining in some cases. It is a nice way to get to know other hubbers."

Many hubbers have this opinion, especially new hubbers.

But if the conversation borders on attacking not only the posting hubber, but also the views of people who answered, sometimes this can sour anyone on ever speaking in a forum.

Hubpages advice is just to bow out.

My advice is similar: If you know you can't hold your tongue, it is best to just leave.

So you don't keep getting notified of the latest posts, try to disable notifications to that forum. (see FAQs). If you can't do that, delete the messages without reading them as soon as they come to your email so you are not sucked in to returning and be enticed to comment.

So, what works for you?

Veteran hubber harassing other hubbers for viewpoints

If you were new to Hubpages, and saw this kind of behavior in a forum, would you even bother using a forum to ask a question?

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New to forums?

In a forum incident recently, a nice cordial discussion that started out with a few people conversing back and forth, changed drastically when one veteran hubber entered the room and literally took every person to task who commented with positive opinions.

The volley of posts went on for more than 4 days. Two other hubbers entered the conversation on day three to support the veteran hubber in her rants against the others. Many commenters said they were reporting the hubbers and the thread.

Because they were still posting there, it is obvious that nothing had been done about it.

See poll question "If you were new to Hubpages."

Are you helpful?

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Helpful hubbers

Sometimes a hubber will go out of their way to be helpful and post answers that are worded in such a way that they are well received, without appearing to be a "know-it-all."

Sometimes hubbers post answers like they have access to the "Hubpages Bible" and get annoyed if their answers are challenged.

Sometimes moderators let this go on for 30 or more posts. We have to understand that there are just so many moderators on duty, only so many hours in the day, and many forums that probably need attention.

While I have noticed many, many hubbers are helpful with advice and/or answers to questions asked, I have also seen hubbers ridicule people for posting their question in the first place. They are told to go read the Learning Center FAQs and to click the link included in their response.

It's been done to me several times, making me regret ever asking a question in the first place.

I believe all any posting hubber is trying to do, is to expedite all that reading, looking for a quick answer from experienced hubbers. When one is told to go read FAQs, it smacks of your parents telling you to go look it up in the dictionary when you asked the meaning of a word.

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To Report Bullying

If you believe you are a victim of forum bullying or any type of bullying on Hubpages, there are steps you can take that are safe steps.

1. You can click "Report" on any profile, hub, forum, or post and complete the "private" form to Hubpages.

2. You can ask the assistance of a trusted friend on Hubpages.

3. You can openly ask for assistance in any public forum where the bullying is occurring.

4. You can click on this link to contact Hubpages directly.

5. If all else fails, you can click on any Hubpages staff member's profile, then click "fan mail" and send them an email about your experience. Note: The top five are pretty busy, so start near the bottom of the list at the link.

If you have any suggestions to add to the above list, please add them in the comments.

What is your opinion of how bullies should be handled?

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I'm proud to be a member here; that doesn't make me proud of all members here.

As of March 2014, I have been a Hubpages member for about 4 months now, and so far I have not referred a single friend to Hubpages.

There are a lot of reasons why.

One reason is when I put a signup post with my referral link on a hub, I get the message at the top not to do that. So I am at a loss where I'm supposed to put my referral link. Looking in the FAQs and posting in forums has not given me an answer. Yet I see many other hubbers put the sign up posts on their hubs. So, do hubbers just ignore that message? Hmmm

Another reason is the forums themselves. The forums are my second "go to" place to find answers to my questions. Of course, my first place is the Learning Center FAQs. As much as the FAQs are a wealth of information, the volume of information is overwhelming. People go to the forums to post their question looking for a fast answer. I've done the same thing.

For the most part, forum reading can be quite entertaining because many of the comments are joking back and forth. I can't deny that I have received much support, good advice and laughter.

But I can't guarantee my referred friends will receive the same, especially if they are made to feel awful about asking their question in the first place or they get pounced on for voicing an opinion that rubs someone the wrong way. I know, I know... I can't control that part.

I'm proud to be a member here; that doesn't make me proud of all members here.

What is your opinion? I promise not to bite you or start a fight in the comments here. lol

© Mary McShane -3/5/2014

© 2014 Mary McShane

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    Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

    I love what you are doing here Mary. As you know by now, I stay completely away from forums. I've been here over two years now, and it took two attempts very early on to make me swear off forums forever. There are some very unhappy people who hover on forums just waiting to pounce, and that's not why I'm here at HP.

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    Mary McShane 3 years ago from Fort Lauderdale, Florida

    @Thank you Bill. What's that saying? "I think I see the light!" After this past week, I truly do.

    While in some ways the forums can be a good source of info, they certainly keep me from busy work, for sure.

    Thanks for reading and commenting. :)

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    moonlake 3 years ago from America

    Answer to your question "yes." I have seen people lately that I thought were kind give very nasty answers to people's questions. I go on the forums but not often and stay away from forums I see fighting going on. At times it's hard and I have put my two cents in but I figured it's just unkind and better not to say a word.

    People should never ask for an opinion on their hub they will get some very nasty remarks that in most cases are not deserved or could have been said in a kind way. There are bullies on the forums and I think we all know who they are. I’ve been here many years and I see the same ones all the time with a few new ones added to the bullies.

    Enjoyed your hub voted up.

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    Shauna L Bowling 3 years ago from Central Florida

    Mary, the sign up widget (which also features your latest posts) is meant to be placed on your own personal website. HP rules say not to ask people to sign up for HP in your hubs. You'll get no credit for the account if you do. The idea is to attract people who are not within the site.

    As far as the forums go, I only answer if I have something to offer or if they are asking a question that I also have.

    I participate in many LinkedIn groups. In one of them, someone (a newbie to freelance writing) asked a question about content mills. Many of us offered our experience, which was the purpose of the thread topic. One member came in and started bashing the member who posed the question, then felt it necessary to bash everyone who commented that they had (or do) work(ed) for content mills. After days of this, I had to go back in and remind this member that we are a family. We are here to support each other and answer questions. We are not here to chastise or demean other members. I reminded him that we all have to start somewhere and in today's online environment, oftentimes that's with the mills because we simply don't know any better. Of course, he had to bash me for my comment. I don't know if he was excommunicated from the group or what, but finally he shut up.

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    Mary McShane 3 years ago from Fort Lauderdale, Florida

    @moonlake - you probably do know of whom I speak. They converge in what I call "packs" - maybe 5 or 6 at a time and they are relentless. One starts out all supportive and as soon as one of her friends comes in and starts negative posting, she flips and becomes chameleon like and posts the same. You wonder who you were talking with a few minutes before.

    Like billybuc says, these are people who lay in wait, just to pounce on others. I too find it hard to keep quiet and so I lurk now if it is a subject of interest. Otherwise, I'm trying very hard to not even look anymore.

    I last spoke 2 or 3 days ago and it will be the last time I speak, if I can help it. I don't know if the bullies will ever be weeded out and thrown out. I don't think they will because they are high earners and active hubbers. I learned a lesson many years ago that I have to keep remembering or I will have to learn it all over again, the hard way. You are judged by the associations you keep. Even if you are one of the good guys, if you keep with bad company, you will be viewed as bad company.

    Thank you for your comment and vote. :)

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    Mary McShane 3 years ago from Fort Lauderdale, Florida

    @bravewarrior - I wondered about the signup thingie. I see many hubbers putting it on their hubs and I thought, "why are you putting it there?" Then I figured they were trying to recruit outsiders who come to read. Thanks for straightening that out for me.

    @ forums - same I as wrote to moonlake. I have to keep practicing at it so I hold to it.

    @LinkedIn, it sounds very similar to the way the forums here are. I'm sorry you got bashed, you are too nice a lady for him to do that. Like my mother used to say "Consider the source!" and don't give it any credence.

    Thank you for reading my article and for your comment.

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    John Hansen 3 years ago from Queensland Australia

    Mary, I sometimes post a queston in the forums if there's something I desperately need to know, or check one out if it is started by a friend and I may be able to help with an answer or contribute to the discussion. Rarely do I check out forum topics in general. The few I have been involved in have varied. Some on light hearted fun topic have been a joy to be involved in others downright nasty. Some hubbers seem to be on the lookout for topics they don't agree with and are armed for a fight. Any hub that is to do with religion is always bound to turn into a fight...Christian vs Atheist etc. I have occasionally asked an innocent question, just looking for some advice to feel put down by another who has a false God complex...believe me there are a few like that on here. Sometimes it's easy to take a written post the wrong way too, I admit, especially if there is cross culture conversation involved, and people can get upset over something not intended to be confronting. This is an interesting and well written hub. Voted up.

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    Mary McShane 3 years ago from Fort Lauderdale, Florida

    @Jodah,

    Hi John, I too stay away from the religious oriented forums. However I tend to gravitate to the ones about copied content and Hubpages topics about writing in general and stay away from topics like everyday life type of questions, polls and specific hub topic discussions.

    I guess the main reason I wrote this is because the hubbers who "I thought" were helpful with Hubpages knowledge and who "I thought" were fun to exchange ideas with and offered advice to someone new like me, turned out to be bullies in disguise. And that was pretty disappointing. I admit they were ok as long as they were on their own, but as soon as friends joined the forum, they turned into people I didn't recognize and went on personal attacks. These are not people I wish to be associated with, and I will not be.

    That is not to say that all the people I talked to in forums were bullies. Some were very helpful regarding filing DMCA notices, etc. But the ones who attacked others, if they are reading this, will recognize themselves within these words. Any others who respond saying they take offense at this article and the comments, that they are not bullies need to find a quiz that questions "Am I A Bully?" and see how they score on it. I find that people who comment to protest against something like this, saying they take offense at being called a bully (or any other name), deep down there is a knowledge that they know they are in that group or they would not have protested or took offense in the first place.

    I think any new hubbers coming to this site will get a good welcome and constructive "true" advice, but as soon as they say or agree with something that rubs the bullies the wrong way, they are in for the experience I have had. I have heard from 4 others via email who do not wish to answer on this hub who said their experience was as bad (and two said it was worse). Two have inactive accounts; they keep them open to read and comment via email but not on hubs. Two said they will probably stop writing here, close accounts and go elsewhere. The pack-like mentality obviously worked for these bullies and are chasing away new blood which this site desperately needs and until this site gets a handle of policing their site so that they at least "appear" to be in some control, the site will not draw "quality" new sign ups. The multiple account issue is big here, with people talking in forums under different names, so one doesn't know if they are talking to one bully, four bullies or the same person with four accounts.

    Thank you for reading this and for your always welcomed views.

    Mary

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    John Hansen 3 years ago from Queensland Australia

    Wow, this is obviously worse than I imagined. I never even considered having multiple accounts and didn't realise that others did until recently. Maybe all forums need a moderator or harsher penalties be introduced for bullying. If people are banned it doesn't have much effect if they can just join under another name or already have another account.

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    Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia

    As an almost 5 year HP member--and presently banned forum poster--I can only comment about the forums as they once were. Sure, they were often contentious, sometimes funny, and often downright silly, but they did often give the writers an idea how a certain hub subject would be received by the masses.

    Writers--the best ones by my reckoning--have tough shells and do not need to be protected by the so-called moderators. I understand the need for someone keeping profanity to a minimum, but some of the bans are simply ridiculous in the extreme.

    Now the forums are so utterly boring I'm not tempted to comment on them even if my ban was rescinded. Just sayin'. :)

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    Mary McShane 3 years ago from Fort Lauderdale, Florida

    @Randy Godwin. I agree there are some good ideas floating around the forums to inspire hubs. This hub was one of them, but only because of an experience, not because an idea had been presented.

    I'm not saying I do or do not have a tough skin. All I know is that no one deserves to be attacked for their views in a place where views and ideas are exchanged, or when the OP posts asking for an opinion.

    Boring? lol I'm up at night sometimes until morning depending on my schedule and the forums come alive at night, especially around 3AM USA time. Unfortunately they come alive with the wrong types. It is the smart person who reads and doesn't comment, or just stays away. I've made a resolution; I'm staying away. I won't be missed in the least.

    Thank you for reading my article and for your comment.

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    Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia

    lol! Not trying to imply you aren't a good writer at all, Mary. And I do agree with you about some trying to make the newbies feel bad when they ask questions. You'll find that some are immune to being banned while others are not appreciated by the mods when they ask tough questions about certain site changes such as the Related Search ads placed on our hubs which we do not share in.

    This hub is accurate for your short time being here. I'm sorry if I indicated otherwise. :)

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    Mary McShane 3 years ago from Fort Lauderdale, Florida

    @Randy Godwin, I didn't take offense at all.

    Sometimes my written comments come across as terse when they are not decorated with all kinds of smiley faces and exclamation points. I meant it kindly, and I again agree with you about the 'immunity' and how some can do no wrong.

    High profile, active hubbers who write on timely topics that bring in traffic tend to be teflon coated and can do no wrong, no matter what their extra-curricular activities are.

    Those dang Related Search ads are so off base! I hate them! We should get a share, they are taking up "real estate" on our hubs! lol I appreciate your views very much. Thank you for following me. I'm glad to follow you back.

    Mary

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    Mary McShane 3 years ago from Fort Lauderdale, Florida

    Hey Randy, I just found your post

    https://hubpages.com/community/Goodbye-To-Hubpages...

    and read through all 2143 comments. I wanted to leave a comment there, but a couple of your replies redirected people to another spin off hub thread. I just want you to know I agree with your hub. You know where I stand since we talked here about it. :)

    I wasn't going to share the following incident because I was afraid of getting kicked off this site. I'm to the point now where I'm not caring anymore. I am losing interest and incentive, and maybe I might do better somewhere else.

    But after reading your 2143 comments, I wanted to share this with you and all readers. Some of your commenters touched on it and I do believe that they are right on the money.

    I reported one "lady" for harassing another member in a forum. At the bottom of the report message screen it says, "you have just sent a private message to Hubpages."

    OK? Wait till you see how "private" it was.

    So I wrote in the message box, "this lady is mercilessly bullying two people in here and we need a moderator."

    Not 3 mins later, the bully says, "if anyone thinks this bullying, you have a real thin skin. I'm giving my opinion." Hmm, I thought, what a coincidence.

    So I clicked "report" again on her next comment and wrote, "We REALLY need a moderator in here NOW. This bully is out of control."

    Again 3 mins later, the bully writes in response to the person she was after who said she had no right to talk to her that way, "I'm NOT out of control, I am expressing MY opinion and anyone who doesn't like it can leave."

    I thought ok, one more time, so I can be sure. I clicked "report" on a new comment of hers: "This lady used to be REAL nice and now she is not. We need a moderator in here right this minute."

    again 3mins later "Sorry, I'm usually REAL nice but this just pissed me off. I'm responding to attacks made on me."

    Ah, no she wasn't. She was instigating the attacks.

    Anyway, that was about 5 or 6 days ago. It was the last day I ever spoke in a forum and it will be the last day I ever speak in a forum. If I look, I will restrain myself from reading, but I probably won't even look.

    It took 3 times of reporting for me to be sure that I was right.

    The bully was the moderator; the moderator was the bully.

    She had 3 friends helping her gang up in attacks and I am 90% certain she was at least two of those identities.

    Within 15 mins, she went back and deleted most of her comments that were bashing - on her name and 2 of the others.

    The replies of the 3rd "Friend" stayed up for about 24 hours. Last time I looked, they were gone and now all the convo's looked stupid - like people are replying to a ghost.

    I now have no respect for any HP moderator because this incident tainted the whole lot. There might be a good one or two in the lot, but too bad. Like I said in an earlier comment, "you are judged by the company you keep."

    Thanks for your supportive comments.

    Mary

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    Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia

    Coincidences happen often here, Mary. Unfortunately, HP does not guarantee equal treatment on this site. I don't believe any site I ever wrote on did either. The moderator system here leaves too much room for abuse, as many presently banned posters can attest to.

    You always have the same people defending HP's banning policies--coincidentally the same ones who get away with a slap on the wrist at the worst. Believe me, it's like pulling teeth to get a straight answer from the anonymous mods. Yes that's right, they don't have to identify themselves at all. "Trust us!" lol!

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    Mary McShane 3 years ago from Fort Lauderdale, Florida

    No, I don't think any site guarantees anything, much less equal treatment. There's always going to be teacher pets and favoritism. But you are right, there is too much room for abuse, and as long as multiple identities are permitted, you'll never know if you are speaking to a wolf in sheep's clothing or not. I choose to bow out. I've had enough of them.

    Finding your hub written long ago managed to make me certain and sure. I'm done in the forums.

    I'm reading over on that website you gave me the link to. I'm having a grand old time reading and now, it looks like my afternoon is cut out for me :) Thank you again.

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    Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia

    Feel free to comment on our group hub, Mary!

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    Devika Primić 3 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

    I don't take part in forms Qs and As if I did then I would answer directly. I tis not worth my time to argue online and be taken for the bad one.

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    Mary McShane 3 years ago from Fort Lauderdale, Florida

    I haven't been back to any of the forums. They have a bad name and it isn't worth getting my blood pressure up when someone attacks me. Until someone higher up starts doing something about the bullies, I'm staying away. Thank you for reading.

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