I'm confused about the effects of editing a featured hub that does wel

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   WannaB Writerposted 12 years ago

   If updating a hub that is featured, say your best hub, a Hub-of-the-Day hub, a contest winner, or such, puts it into a no-index state until it's reviewed again, why would one want to ever update it?
   
   I have such a hub that has an almost constant broken link symbol. Every time I've checked the link in the past, it works. But to check it, I have to edit and republish to get rid of the warning. And two days later the warning is back. Evidently the site it links to doesn't always load quickly enough for the robots checking it. However, if what I understand is true about going into editing mode sending a hub into pending, this hub would always be pending unless I remove that link, which does add value to readers, for whom it probably does work.
   
   A couple of days ago I published a new hub which is now featured, but when I wrote it, I forgot that adding another photo it was too late to take that night would put it back into pending. Seems a shame to improve the hub right now because of that.
   
   It seems HubPages is making it harder and less likely that people will want to update hubs to add value when doing so will take their hubs out of the search engines for a period of time.
   
   Am I misunderstanding something?

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      Rain Defenceposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Once it has passed pending, editing it doesn't put it back into pending or add noindex.

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      Isabel Melvilleposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Rain Defence is right. Editing a featured hub does not put it back into pending, although as you found, editing a pending hub means it stays in pending for longer
      If your 'broken link' isn't really a broken link, you can just go straight to http://hubpages.com/my/hubs/broken-links from the stats panel and click to re-check. That'll remove the broken link symbol if the link is good.

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         WannaB Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks. I was not aware of that. I'll have to try it.

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      moonlakeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I'm always changing my hubs and adding pictures including ones that are featured. It never hurts them and they don't go into pending. If I forget a picture I go ahead and add it.

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      Simone Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      When a Hub has been updated and is Pending, it is not given a noindex tag and is still Featured.
      
      It sounds like our broken link tool is being buddy with that one link in your Hub- sorry about that, and feel free to ignore it! Do keep in mind, though, that editing a Featured Hub won't hurt it. The only Pending Hubs that have noindex tags are those that:
      1. Have been published for the first time
      2. Were not Featured before they were edited
      
      Hope that clears things up!

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         WannaB Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks, Simone. It's always nice to get an official answer. I believe I can proceed now to do what I want to do.

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   WriteAngledposted 12 years ago

   As I understand it, though, editing a hub does subject it to judgement by the Mechanical Turk rabble and thus puts it at risk of being downgraded and idled by someone with no education and probably no other form of expertise in the subject. 
   
   I have new photos and new information that I could use on a number of my hubs. However, I am not willing to undergo this new process. I will wait until these hubs are idled for other reasons and then I will remove them from here, improve the content and place them on another site.
   
   I also have ideas written down for over 100 new hubs, but am not willing to invest the effort in producing any of them while this situation continues.

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      SimeyCposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      "I will wait until these hubs are idled for other reasons and then I will remove them from here" - I'm just wondering why you don't delete them and move them now? (No I'm not bashing you and saying - move along!). Wouldn't it be better to try and establish them now elsewhere and take the 'hit' now rather than waiting a few months?
      
      I have some hubs in a niche that I will be moving soon - not because they will become idle but because they are better suited to a full site - I'm trying to figure out if I should create new content for the site first, then move these articles once the site is established - or move them now and use them to establish the site! It's a dilemma I haven't really worked out yet!

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      Millionaire Tipsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I recommend going to Mechanical Turk and seeing how these hubs are rated.  Even if you don't want to rate them.  It is interesting to see the full table of the rating criteria
      
      http://hubpages.com/help/hub_hop_table#informational
      
      and the samples of hubs at different ratings.
      
      Together, these can help you evaluate your own hubs.
      
      In order to rate hubs, you must qualify, and you must keep meeting the rating accuracy stats in order to keep rating hubs, so there are stops in place to avoid people can't or won't provide accurate ratings.
      
      I have found that it doesn't take a lot of time to evaluate the rating for the hubs.  I actually do this for a living (give a standardized rating to writing assignments), and we have found that oftentimes doing it faster gets a better accuracy, because once you have internalized the criteria, you can go by your gut feel instead of analyzing each little detail.
      
      In Mturk are only a few samples, and they don't answer all of the questions I have about how to rate the hubs, but they do provide a general idea about what is expected.

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         WannaB Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks for that link. When I have time, I'll check it out, since that information would be helpful. Lately I've been focusing on writing for Squidoo again, but my last writing inspiration had HubPages written all over it, so I came back here to write it because it fit the only real niche I've carved out here. Deciding what to do with unfeatured hubs is the next project when Christmas is over.

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         WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I refer you to the link I posted above, from which I cite again:
         
         "“Turkers” were less accurate than a simple machine learning program at the task of categorizing businesses as a restaurant or a clothing store"
         
         If these people do not even possess the single brain cell and/or are not willing to spend the time needed to do the above properly, do you really think they are going to do a proper job on anything more complex such as judging writing quality?

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   WriteAngledposted 12 years ago

   " A 2010 study published by the online reviews company Yelp found that “Turkers” were less accurate than a simple machine learning program at the task of categorizing businesses as a restaurant or a clothing store (see “AI Defeats the Hivemind”).
   
   If you put something on Mechanical Turk, it’s easy to get cheated,” says Luis Von Ahn, a crowdsourcing expert at Carnegie Mellon University. The main problem is low pay. He estimates that Turkers, who are based mostly in the United States, make only $1 or $2 per hour. That’s a big incentive to submit nonsense or poorly researched answers."
   http://www.technologyreview.com/news/42 … algorithm/

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   WriteAngledposted 12 years ago

   It takes a lot of time to move things, and time is something I am always lacking. What little of it I have is going on creating new material elsewhere at the moment.
   
   I suppose I also hope that HP will see sense and reverse this mistaken policy of farming out critical tasks to people who have no investment whatever in this site at rates of payment that positively encourage slapdash work and/or gaming the system.

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      SimeyCposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Fair point - and probably the same reason why I haven't moved mine yet.
      
      
      What I'd like to see (and requested it before) is 'ratings' of my hubs - this way we can give constructive feedback on how this 'system' is working - if it seems to be working well then that is a good thing - if as many suspect that it is giving wrong ratings then HP needs to know our views.
      
      Without seeing the 'data' we cannot know how good or bad mechanical turk is - aside from external views of the system!

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   derek gulbransonposted 12 years ago

   To address WriteAngled's point about variation of Turker ratings, we have a somewhat robust (but in active development and improving every day) system to assess the accuracy of our Turkers and kick them out if their ratings are not well-considered and accurate. To attempt to more directly address the issue of Turker assessment variations causing a Featured Hub to no longer be Featured, Featured Hubs enjoy a slightly lower threshold than newly published Hubs and require higher confidence in the rating to remove its Featured status.
   
   So if a Hub was Featured, it's our intention that it's highly unlikely that it would loose it's Featured status due to simply noise in the rating system. But if you do notice something like this, please do point it out in the official bug report forum because we want to track it down.

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