So I was wondering, why is it that, well established hubbers write articles that are super short, yet, they get tonnes of comments and praises and I write really detailed hubs and I'm lucky to get just a couple of comments. Obviously it's because they've got more hubs and have being writing longer, but if we're comparing the detail and usefulness of hubs, then the very few hubs I have written, I think, are really good.
I don't get it - any feedback would be appreciated, thanks guys
Two things. Few organic (outside HP) leave comments and hubbers spotting a long, detailed hub that they haven't searched for (and are therefore interested in) are unlikely to read it so won't leave comments.
Like you I write long (1500+ words) hubs with as much detail and explanation as I can. They're just not on "fun" or "interesting" subjects to most hubbers and don't get many views from them. Out of 1,000 views about 40 are from hubpages and that isn't many visitors to get nice comments from, so I don't see many comments.
In order to get in the article in Google, the recommended amount of words is 500-800 words an article. This lets the article not be so complicated that no one can find it. I think this is the prime reason why a lot of the established hubbers write articles at this length. A lot of these articles are of quality without going over the 800 word limit.
It is a bit of a popularity contest at HubPages, and there are cliques of followers and friends that often comment on each other's Hubs.
I understand what you are saying. I wrote a very detailed Hub about Living Off The Grid By Generating Your Own Electricity, which included all the currently known practical options, pricing estimates, and positives and drawbacks. I only received a couple of comments. A few weeks later, another Hubber wrote a Hub about the same topic, which was much briefer, did not include all of the options, and did not have any details such as pricing, yet the Hub received tons of comments and praise. So it goes in life and at HubPages. Some people just have the rep or the X factor to get a big buzz going about what they write, whether it is excellent writing or not. But, that's also the way HubPages wants it. They are looking for writing that brings in traffic, not necessarily quality pieces of writing.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean their articles any good? "/
Having Followers makes a big difference- it's the difference between Hubbers finding your work by chance on the site and Hubbers seeing your work in the Feed and in email updates.
Getting more Followers is by no means impossible- one of the most effective ways of doing so is to:
1. Regularly publish more high quality Hubs
2. Leave insightful and meaningful comments on others' Hubs
Hope that helps!
Why is it necessary to be accepted by google adsense brfore you can be an EBay associate or be part of the hubpages ad program?
I think it is just about keeping standards of writing high without HP having to check out writers properly for themselves. Basically if you pass the Adsense requirements you are a fairly 'safe bet' for HP, and all the checking process has been completed by Google.
If this is the case then why does HP not trust its established veteran writers to be instantly featured. I asked this in the other thread but apparently TPTB haven't noticed it.<~(sarcasm)
I'm guess, but probably because it would be used against them.
A scammer comes around, waits for the 6 months or so, writes a few hubs and, as soon as he's give the freedom promptly begins producing trash that no one looks at.
Who mentioned 6 months? Some of us who aren't instantly featured have been here for 3 to 5 years now.
Yes, and some of us that have been here for 3 to 5 years have a subdomain chock full of junk. This whole thing just isn't as simple as you make it sound, Randy.
Given that low traffic hubs need to have a no-index tag (and I'm not sure I agree, but that seems to be the opinion of TPTB) I just see more and more difficulties in applying it. It most definitely isn't a simple concept to implement.
How do you know this, Wilderness? You seem to be there every time a question is asked and most of the time you seem to be guessing. Are you guessing? Do you have any real facts to throw around, and if you are correct, then why doesn't one of the crew come out here and simply say the same thing? Seriously!
You lost me a little there - if you are referring to the difficulty of implementation both Paul and Derek have plainly said the same thing and I've just paraphrased them.
But here, Randy, how about this. It should be in line with their overall plan and shouldn't be too expensive to do as much of it is already there. How about if HP looks at the average traffic per hub for anyone with >50 hubs and if it's over a given amount then give them a "bye" on the pending process. Eventually, when time permits in several months (from Paul again), they will look at every individual hub, but until then give that "bye" to anyone proven to produce a goodly number of hubs that get the traffic to not go pending.
Would you support that? It should be doable for a reasonable cost, it will stop the spammers (they have to write 50 hubs) and long time hubbers (that have proven they don't need the pending according to already established guidelines) don't go pending.
But if they always feature a writers hub, I mean every single time, what do they prevent by even having them go through a pending stage where the--in my opinion--detrimental no-index tag is applied? They have a record of who's hubs aren't featured after the pending stage. And they have a group now who don't have to go through this.
First, I have no idea how many hubs are turned away during the pending stage, and neither do you. Presumably it's a fair number or HP would not continue to pay for the whole QAP process. As far as I know they aren't unpublishing hubs the day after they clear so must be catching them during pending. We do know that most of their effort right now is directed to new hubs, not old ones, and I can only think that it is accomplishing something for the money being paid out.
The same thing applies as I said above if you let people through that have shown they can publish decent stuff - soon enough you'll have the spammers that have learned to publish a few good hubs before they start spamming.
Yes, they have a group of guinea pigs, but I haven't the faintest what is being done with them. All we know is that they are test group - we don't know why, how they were chosen or anything else. For all I know they're letting junk through that group to hit the hub hopper and see if it's found - we just don't know. A test to see if hubbers hub hopping can and will do the job of MTurk, maybe.
But what do you think of my suggestion? It would certainly need a lot of fleshing out, but would it interest you?
I'll be honest with you Wilderness, I've never seen any suggestion by any Hubber implemented unless it was about some little piss ant accolade or some other harmless idea. We begged HP to get rid of the crud before Google slapped the hell out of this site. Now look where we are and the same people refuse to still take it off of the site. Oh yes, a backlog they don't have time to remove. Do you really buy this?
Actually I do buy the backlog vs new stuff.
Seems to me that the biggest problem with suggestions is that we hubbers never take into account the HP side of it. We don't know their problems and we don't care about the cost or income loss. Any suggestion that we make has to be filtered through those considerations and we very seldom if ever do that. Few of us are programmers and haven't a clue what it takes - when SimeyC and someone else mentioned the complexity they were shouted down and ignored and that just doesn't work in the real world.
Backlog - we all know the backlog is huge and will take considerable time to clear as well as cause a huge uproar when it's done. We also know that there are large numbers of junky hubs being written. We know that funding, manpower and time are all limited, although we don't know what those limits are or what it costs to find and dispose of a bad hub.
Is it better to remove junk while allowing more junk in? I don't know - which is easier, cheaper and faster? Which one takes more additional programming? The MTurk fees should be the same, I would think, but finding those hubs will cost in terms of time and programming and I don't know how much. As HP can't find enough MTurk workers now because of the high requirements (and low pay), they can't move any faster so time shouldn't matter. Is the percentage of new hubs that are bad higher or lower than the percentage already here?
We don't know any of those answers and can only assume that HP does and is acting in the most prudent manner regardless of what we'd like to see. It might be true, it might not, but none of us can have any idea, particularly as we have no idea what is being caught in the new hubs checking.
One thing we do know for sure, is they didn't listen to good advice the first time around. And another thing we do know for sure, is the same junk Google slapped HP for is still here. I'm not so sure about the huge outcry as many of the worst hubs have authors who are no longer on the site. I'm sorry, but it would be a simple thing to check for hubbers who haven't been active here in a while. I don't buy it. But lets just see how concerned they are with getting rid of the junk. They haven't touched it in 2 years unless its posted on the forums . They ignore flags too. But I will personally apologize to you and them when they do something about it. Don't hold your breath, though.
I don't know if I can agree that they should have taken junk down years ago, either.
I wasn't here then (or anywhere else), but my reasoning is that at the time the junk wasn't hurting much, or so I've been told. It produced income, which at the time HP desperately needed as a startup company; without that income it is quite possible that none of us would be here.
The google slap you mention was purely an effect of Panda; something that no one but Google had any idea was around the corner. Yes, Google has always made some effort to promote quality, but the architecture of HP easily over rode that effort and the site was very successful as a result. Hubbers didn't like the junk, but it brought in the money that HP had to have (plus, I assume, padded the pockets of the owners and financiers) so there was no real reason to take it down.
That goes back to what I said earlier: we either supply suggestions that are in the best interests of HP and its owners or they will be ignored. That particular one was in HP's interests but it was not apparent at the time and only Panda made it so.
It's a world of business, Randy, and not one of altruism. We either work within those constraints or get left behind. You don't have to like it (I know I don't) but if you're interested in improving HP into something better than it is you will have to do it in such a way as to help the owners as well as yourself.
Just as HP itself does. We now believe that the junk is hurting HP in spite of the subdomains; you can expect it to be taken down ASAP. That won't be soon enough for any of us, but it will be done simply because it will improve HP's bottom line. Unless, of course, they disagree and I think that that is something that is quite unlikely. If they think that then they must be the only site on the web that does.
With that, it's past my bedtime. We'll meet again, unless you go back into exile, but think about that concept. To convince HP to do anything it has to be in their best interest. If we hubbers want change, then, come up with something that will increase HP's income as well as our own. If we can't do that, can't provide a suggestion that will benefit the company, then we may as well keep our mouths shut because they are here for the money just as you, I and most other hubbers are. On the plus side what benefits us generally benefits them as well, but that is not always the case.
To be honest I just don't know Randy. I can only guess that my own term 'fairly safe bet' is exactly that, not definitely a safe bet, but safer than someone with no checks whatsoever having been made. I for one do not bypass pending and that is largely because in the early days I did post humorous hubs that were double entendre / innuendo based and that ultimately got unpublished as 'Adult Content' (lol). A handful of other hubs had issues with HP for other reasons, such as my one on self defense gadgets for women which was considered as promoting weapons. I think any chance of my ever being able to bypass pending now have long since been destroyed
I understand what you mean Misty, but it is very frustrating. I got rejected by Adsense and the explanation was: not meeting their standards, however they don't tell you what these standards are? I give up with AdSense, Thank God, I am writing hubs because I really enjoy it and not because of the earning aspect. If that were the case I would be stressed all the time. I've joined two weeks ago and have been focusing on writing. I am going to start reading other hubs I am interested and particpate more in the Hub community.
It's because adsense is an integral part of the HPads program, as is the eBay thing. We don't see it from our end, but HP does and has to have our adsense connection to make HPads work for us. And then the only way to get the eBay is to have the HPads and you're back to needing adsense.
I see, so in other words you can be on hubpages for years without ever getting accepted by Adsense
You could be in hubpages forever and never get adsense. Adsense has it's own rules.
Thank you for your honest answer. I applied and got accepted by amazon, and I thought it was a given that if you were accepted by one, the others would follow suit. Can you earn $ just by being on Amazon.
Absolutely, although I find it more difficult and it requires a different style of writing.
Really? that is very interesting. Are there examples of these writing styles in the learning center?
No. Basically it amounts to writing an advertisement or other type of hub about a particular product. A review, maybe, or instructions on usage.
A hub on traveling to Florida with an Amazon capsule selling suitcases won't sell anything; a hub on choosing the right suitcase for airline flight might.
Discuss the item in the Amazon capsule, then, and make the hub about that item.
I don't like writing those, they're boring and no fun to write but they can sell.
Hi Fresh Ploon, I understand your frustration. Here are some tips I can give you from my experiences, and certainly understand that I too, do not always get several comments on my hubs either. Firstly, choose topics that you think will be appealing to a mass audience. If you choose a topic that is not interesting, people won't read it. next, make sure you do your research and have a clear message and order to your hub. Next tip and i find this pretty important, make sure you do a spell check and catch any errors you might have in your articles. Sometimes, and I am guilty of this too, if I see hubs with spelling errors, I may not continue to read it. Start networking and reading other peoples hubs and commenting on them. Begin to follow people and this will help you grow your audience. Participate in the ad programs, ask questions, answer questions and try to be a key part of the Hub Pages community. Before you know it, you will have a nice following! But, remember this takes work and time. Good luck!
i feel that well established authors are receiving more traffic and comments mainly because they either have a large audience of people that are following them, they have some high quality hubs, or because people are interested in the hubs they post no matter how long or short they are. the best thing for you to do would be to comment on others hubs, leave behind fan mail, answer and ask questions and post hubs that interest you and you feel would also interest others. also, around the holiday season the best thing to do would be talk about that holiday if you wanted to about two or three months in advance so that the hub will receive alot of views as the holiday season comes by and passes.
Hi Flesh, I noticed that most of your hubs are about body building which is a topic only a few hubbers are interested about. Don't worry too much about having no comments and feedback. What matters most are views outside the site so continue on creating quality content. Good luck!
Thanks dailytop10, Yes most of them are about body building but I do intend to write articles about other topics too - I have many interests and though the body building hubs would be a good start for me to get underway since I know the topic.
haha, I had just read a lousy hub (imo), maybe 5 sentences, and it had like a dozen or two glowing comments and I thought, what the heck?
The writers do not write on one site to begin with. They also have friends, family, and fellow writers from other sites that follow each other, promote each other, etc.
I cant post on FB, I don't want my mom or kids to see my page. lol
You could start a facebook fan page specifically for your writing activities.
It's funny, my writing is so personal. I don't mind absolute strangers reading it, but I wouldn't really want ppl I know to read it. That seems kind of backwards. I spose I could start a writing page on FB and invite ppl with a link to my hubs and blog, but it seems a bit cheeky. Im worried I might annoy ppl.
Why? I not only post hubs on my timeline but on a FB page I started on my niche topic as well.
My mom and kids don't really need/want to know about my sexual side. lol
Let alone the whole conundrum Im facing with divorce. Ill let them know when Ive figured it out.
I'd have to go with you there, too!
A partial solution for me was to set my close friends and family up into groups and then not share all my hubs with them. For a while I was posting several hubs per day and it became obnoxious.
Mostly, though, I now just put a few per month on my person page and save the rest for that niche page designed for that purpose.
that's a good idea, I might try the FB thing, I will keep my hub profile and personal profile totally separate.
that is hysterical Beth, I totally understand the FB issue.
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