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   gmwilliamsposted 11 years ago

   
   To Moderators and Hubbers out there, do YOU believe that the banning rules regarding forums and the answer section of HubPages are too strict/stringent?  Do YOU further believe that such rules should be lessened and/or abolished altogether?  However, certain cases apply i.e. if the responses and/or answers are highly antagonistic and/or contentious in nature or if there is hate speech of any kind.

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      wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      No.  While one hears of occasional instances where it seems a little on the stronghanded side, for the most part I find it quite reasonable.  And it's not the end of the world to be banned for a day by a moderator that got up on the wrong side of the bed.

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         ziyenaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         like your humor 

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         IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         This is the problem though isn't it?
         
         It does seem as though a moderator got up on the wrong side of the bed sometimes. I have been here long enough to see some real insults thrown on the forums, and no banning ensues.
         
         So, it is one rule for all, or one rule for just some that the moderator (who got up on the wrong side of the bed) doesn't like?
         
         And why do some people always seem to get off with it, while others are permanently banned for some misdeamour or other?
         
         Personally. I've been banned a few times and wonder when the permanent ban comes.
         
         The permanent ban is the problem really.
         
         Everyone can get het up during a discussion, but the rules do not make it clear how many strikes it is before you are out. The more you post, the more likely you are to be banned, yet HP have adverts on the forums now, so you would think heated discussions would be encouraged.

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      bBereanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Currently it appears restrictions and banning are enforced in response to complaints.  Certain mindsets, personality types and ideologies are more likely to place those complaints, so it seems the rules are disproportionately administered.  If there are going to be rules and enforcement, it should be consistent.  If it were actually policed instead of just being reactionary, many more folks, including some of those initiating the complaints, would get banned and there would be an outcry for the restrictions to be relaxed.  If HP does not have the staffing to do this, they should only address the most egregious violations.  Presently it seems too selective.

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         gmwilliamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Totally agree with you bBerean.  The restrictions should be lessened!

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      relacheposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      No and no.  In fact, I can think of certain occurrences where I feel the rules are too lenient.

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         Marcy Goodfleischposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I agree with you, Relache. 
         
         BTW - in regards to the idea that corporations don't care if employees insult each other - that's not true. Corporations have rules regarding how employees conduct themselves and how they treat each other.

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      ziyenaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Never been banned before ... so how do you know you're getting penalized?  Do you get a friendly notice via email or you're not able to post anymore without warning?

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         paradigmsearchposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         It's your basic popcorn surprise. No warning whatsoever.

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            ziyenaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            nice

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   Beth37posted 11 years ago

   Im all for everyone getting banned that deserves it... except for me. I prefer to claim diplomatic immunity.

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   gmwilliamsposted 11 years ago

   I really think penalties are ridiculous re: adults.  This is an adult environment, we are not children. The world is not a sensitive place.  There are going to be more hardier, tougher, and rougher souls out there.  In the real world, people are not penalized for harsh verbiage, really now.  This is not school, this is the adult world.  Do you think the corporate world cares if workers insult each other?  The main thing is profits, not hurt feelings.

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      sheilamyersposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      If you work for a good company, the supervisors and higher ups do care if their workers are insulting each other. Insults, teasing, etc make for a very uncomfortable workplace. Employees will not be as productive, work as a team, or produce a quality product if they're always worrying about someone else insulting their efforts, their beliefs, the way the dress, or anything else. The rules are in place to make everyone feel they're an important and active member of the company.
      
      That said, I believe HP has their rules in place for the same reason. Sure there are times when those rules seem a little strict, but I'm sure at least most of them were in place when you and other people signed up. When you clicked to create your account, you were saying you agreed with all of the policies then in place and any that would be created later. So why should anyone now complain about those rules?

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      TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      gmwilliams:  Have you actually LOOKED at some of the things people say and do on these forums.  This is not just harsh wordage, it is often extremely cruel harassment, and I for one am really happy we have these rules.

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         gmwilliamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Cruel harassment is BULLYING and should NEVER be tolerated.  It is THEN when the rules are applied and with just reason.  Yes, the rules are just in many instances.  I agree.  HubPages has its standards and I applaud such standards and the Moderation Team.  Thank God!

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   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   No.  I am fine with how it is.

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   paradigmsearchposted 11 years ago

   

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      Marcy Goodfleischposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      What is that?  It looks . . . menacing

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         bBereanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Cattle prod --- from when only farmers had tasers.

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            Marcy Goodfleischposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Ahh - have never seen one before.  I must buy one.

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   cheaptrickposted 11 years ago

   I use to be a forums anarchist until I started reading the comments section on YouTube.If you think the forums are rough here you should check out the free zone comments section there.

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      Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Do you want a waffle?

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         cheaptrickposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Only if it has walnuts...and butter...and Maple syrup...or are we talking about another kind of waffle?cause I'm to old for that...

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            Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Is that a euphemism? Waffle? If it is, I didn't know that.
            Yum, walnuts. That sounds good.

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   WriteAngledposted 11 years ago

   Trouble is, Izzy, you are looking at the matter objectively. However, as someone outside of the US, like me, you need to remember that they have fairly ludicrous rules of political correctness.
   
   Unfortunately, if you are banned, you do not get any indication of why this has happened. Instead, you just get faced with a totally pointless huge picture of an anonymous fat woman with a mentally defective grin, who is standing on a children's scooter and telling you that you are banned.

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      IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Now that is not fair WA. Take it back immediately.OK a lot of Americans are fat, but hey, this chica isn't bad by any standard.
      
      I was quite embarrassed actually by a recent program about British children.
      
      Fat is normal nowadays, yet they come from deprived families?
      
      As an experiment, - well not so much an experiment as a useful time line, I put Mum and I onto a diet of supermarket meals
      
      When living with a demented person who demands your time, all the time, cooking becomes a luxury.
      If you have spent an hour or more preparing a dish, it is upsetting when your intended recipient chooses to go to bed instead of eating.
      
      So, the new diet of cheap supermarket meals takes on an especial sigificence,
      Only been on it two weeks, and already I am fatter while eating less....
      
      Says it all really.

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   EmpressFelicityposted 11 years ago

   
   
   I have always thought the HP forum moderation policy to be at best arbitrary, and at worst, indicative of the very low esteem in which HP holds its members. "Infantilisation" is the word that springs to mind - that "mall cop" picture you describe being a case in point.
   
   GM is right - in the world of adults, it hardly matters whether some random person calls you a d*ck on an internet forum.
   
   Sustained campaigns of bullying and harassment are a different matter, of course - but I haven't ever seen anything like that here (although it could be that I've simply never spent enough time on the HP forums to notice it).
   
   /delurk

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