Google Algorythm update Fred downs traffic for spammy websites

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   TessSchlesingerposted 2 years ago

   There may already be a thread on this, but I can't find it. So the two reasons I can find for the Fred update (9th March) were backlinks from ureputable websites and for websites which had a lot of advertising Some sites have apparently dropped 90% in traffic.
   
   I truly doubt that HP is going around backlinking from spammy websites to HP. Of course, there may be hubbers who are doing that in the hope of gaining traffic. The problem is that it affects everybody - if that is what is happening.
   
   This site says it affects people who use black hat seo.
   https://www.webtexttool.com/hi-my-name- … le-update/
   
   This site says it spammy backlinks and excessive advertising.
   https://www.techwyse.com/blog/search-en … ed-update/
   
   This site says it's sites which were created to earn Adsense.
   https://www.seroundtable.com/google-fre … 23538.html
   
   Can't really find anything on Moz.
   
   I dropped about 20% in my views. What percentage have others dropped, if any?

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      wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I also dropped 20-25% in views.  But if this early morning is any indication they are beginning to come back.  Way too early to tell for sure, but this morning is almost normal.

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         Patty Inglish, MSposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         OMG - This morning, my views finally fell 20%!

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      yogyogiposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      yes there was google update about 7 days back. My views took a drastic dip.

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      Sherry Hewinsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      My earnings are down about 50%, mostly due to my top earning article losing 3/4 of its traffic. It fluctuates a little, but has not substantially changed since the nosedive on 3/9. I'm pretty sure Fred is the problem for me.
      
      Since that article is still my #1, despite the drop. I will leave it here. It is on Healdove, which is not really a niche I write for much. Just a personal experience I wrote about, and it happened to catch fire.
      
      However, this is not my first rodeo, I've had the rug pulled out before. This experience has inspired me to create a website of my own. I understand how much work it is, and I appreciate all HP does for us.
      
      I'm not leaving. I will probably keep most of my content here. Still, I feel like it's time I sink or swim on my own. Thanks HP, for the platform and the inspiration.

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         TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Sorry to hear that.
         
         How are  you going to make a website of your own, annd how are you going to drive traffic there? What are you going to focus on?

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            Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            If you build your own site on a specialist niche that isn't overly saturated, there is no need to drive traffic - it will come on its own. 
            
            This is another of those things that has changed so much since HubPages began.   Then, you could write on HubPages and its reputation was enough to draw traffic to your Hubs.   Whereas if you wrote on a little blog, it would probably languish unnoticed.
            
            Whereas now, if you can create at least 20,000 words of material for a specialist blog, it will get traffic. more easily than HubPages, because it doesn't suffer from HP's bad reputation.   
            
            There are two big snags, of course - one is that you must have a specialist subject which you can write huge swathes about.  The other is how to make money from your traffic.  HubPages has negotiated advertising deals for us - it takes a different kind of skill to make money from a blog.

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               TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, well, for me that's an issue in two places. Still not sure what is going to happen with Adsense, and while I could probably write about a lot of things, I seriously can't think of anything that anyone hasn't already written about.

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                  Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  There is nothing that hasn't already been written about on the internet. Just like they say there are no new plots for novels.   It doesn't mean you can't write a best-seller.

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                     TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                     I understand that. I also understand that I would need a website that had something marginally different, and that is beyond my capacity to do. We have to know our strengths and our weaknesses. So, for me, it's out.

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                  Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  When you're running a blog, Adsense is usually not your main source of income.
                  
                  As for hunting for a unique angle - I think you can over-think that.  For instance, I started a blog on ballet but found that most of my enquiries were about pointe shoes, so I ended up creating a blog on pointe shoes.  But if I hadn't started my general ballet blog first, I wouldn't have noticed the need. After all there are blogs in existence already on pointe shoes - it just seems that mine struck a chord.   So sometimes you just have to start and see where it takes you - there is nothing to prevent you changing the focus of a blog after you've started it.

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                     TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                     Well, how do you earn income on a blog without Adsense? My understanding was that you had to have about 100,000 viewers before you could get sponsors.

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                        Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                        A number of alternatives. I have a hub on it, "how to monetize your blog".  Rather than rewrite the whole thing here, I suggest you go and take a look, it's on the slider on my profile.
                        
                        Of course, reading that Hub, you'll notice that you need to pick a subject that lends itself to selling products or services.

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                           TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                           Aha. So basically, you'll be selling Amazon products. Marisa, I am so unworldly in that way. If I could think of a product that would selll, I would write a hub on it on HP.
                           
                           I'd go read it anyway.
                           
                           Thanks.

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                              Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                              No, you misunderstand me.  You don't have to think of a product that will sell.   
                              
                              You write about a subject you have a lot of knowledge about, one where you can provide useful information and advice to people.   Alongside that, you recommend products that will be useful to those people.  They may be Amazon products but they are more likely to be products from other merchants with whom you form a relationship - perhaps an affiliate relationship like Amazon, or perhaps a directly negotiated personal relationship.  Also you can offer consultancy services, or ebooks.  As your reputation builds, you will ultimately find suppliers who want to partner with you and who are willing to pay for advertising on your website and newsletter.

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                                 TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                                 Okay, let me think about that. I'm ready for a change. I'll be in touch via email.

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         Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         You might find my advice to Jim useful, Sherry
         
         http://hubpages.com/community/forum/140 … and-google
         
         Note - if you're creating your site on Blogger, the equivalent of Categories is Labels.   Many people think Labels are tags - they're not.

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            Sherry Hewinsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I decided to go with Wix. It seems like it has a lot to offer for a beginner.

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               TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               How does Wix allow you to earn money?

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               Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               No!  No! No!   Run don't walk!   Wix is not a good choice.  It looks very pretty but it has all kinds of problems.
               
               The biggest one is that if you're ever unhappy with them, you can't transfer your website to another host.   You will simply have to close it down and start from scratch.   
               
               As you've learned from HubPages, internet companies change all the time - you don't want to commit yourself irrevocably to one company because the internet just isn't that predictable. 
               
               If you create a blog on Blogger or Wordpress, you can transfer the whole blog to another host any time you like. Unfortunately with Wordpress.com, you are not allowed to use advertising unless you take a paid plan - so if you want to blog for free, Blogger really is your only choice.

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   Nell Roseposted 2 years ago

   Mine were not to bad over the weekend but have dropped again now.

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   Bedbugabscondposted 2 years ago

   I did a little investigating of my own. I tracked what many Google employees were saying on their social media accounts. They give us clues on what is happening. After comparing that various websites accounts of Fred, the social media of Google employees, and rereading the google quality rater guidelines I am starting to see a pattern.
   
   First, replace the word spammy with the word low quality. Just because something gets dinged as low quality does not equate to being spammy. Although all spammy websites are going to be marked as low quality. Or at least they would in a perfect world.
   
   Sometimes web pages are marked as low quality over something that can be changed or fixed. Both the responsibility of the website owner AND the person who wrote the content, are considered during quality rating.
   
   There is a reason Hubpages reminds us to create bios and to use professional looking names.
   There is a reason the staff keeps talking about editing stuff and reminding us to do the same.
   
   Go straight to the source. Get a copy of the quality rating guidelines. Read very carefully, and look up the terms you don't understand. Use critical thinking to apply the guidelines to your content, your bio, your profile, and anything else you have control over.
   
   Trust that the Hubpages staff takes responsibility for their end. Focus on what is under your control on your end.

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      TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The problem is that the site on which one is on does affect one's own hubs, regardless of whether one has fulfilled all the requirements. I believe my hubs to be high quality, and I'm sure other high quality hubs have taken a drop as well.

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         Bedbugabscondposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         I am just saying that everyone needs to go back and reread the guidelines post Fred. You might be surprised what you find. We all need to encourage each other to do do the same.  No matter how high quality we believe our articles to be, none of us is perfect.
         
         The only way to prove that Hubpages is a reputable place for amateur writers is to create a reputable atmosphere. Like I said, trust that Hubpage employees are doing their jobs to the best of their ability.  And really, how can rereading them hurt you?
         
         YMYL pages are scored more critically than other types of pages. The guidelines helps us understand what changes can be made to improve those types of articles.

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            TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Um. I'm a professional writer. So are many others here.
            
            No, my stuff isn't perfect. However, none of my stuff is problematic in the sense of what Google is looking for. From long experience, my stuff fails or passes strictly depending on the website it is hosted on.
            
            Amateur means one isn't doing something for a living. Professional means it's your full time work.
            
            Writers often don't have a choice as to where to publish, especially if they don't want to host their own website (like me). So they publish on content and blog websites (like hubpages). Their work, no matter how good it is, will  only rise according to the ranking given by google to that website.
            
            Five years ago, on HP, a lot of my stuff was at number one (under a different incarnation), then along came Panda, and out went quite a bit of traffic. I still did well, though. Now it's a struggle, but the quality of my writing is better. Writing always improves.
            
            This is the same for everybody who takes this seriously.

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               Bedbugabscondposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               I use the words amateur writers because that is how hubpages represents itself. Not as an insult to you. You do not have to defend yourself to me. This is not a personal insult to you or your credentials. I simply made a suggestion and I apologize if I put you on the defensive.

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                  TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  How does Hubpages advertise itself to amateur writers? It advertizes itself to writers - regardless of whether they are amateur or professional. That was always my take, anyway.

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                     Bedbugabscondposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                     You know what. The place on the website where I saw that now uses different language. Maybe they don't advertise themselves like that now.

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                     Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                     When I first joined HubPages, there were plenty of professional writers and professional bloggers here, because the earnings potential was as good as any other option.  Nowadays, I doubt there are many professional writers actively writing on HubPages, although many still have a portfolio of Hubs which they use for passive income.  For most professional writers, the hourly rate on HP is simply too low - they can make more money doing almost anything else.
                     
                     There are a few active Hubbers here who make a living from their writing, but most of them run a blog or blogs and do freelance writing, and those activities provide the bulk of their income.  There is also a small number of Hubbers who make a high monthly payout, but IMO that's due to their ability to write on a particular subject, not just their ability to write, and one wonders how much they'd be earning if they'd put those articles on a dedicated blog instead.
                     
                     Tess, I know your particular circumstances mean that Hubbing suits you, but in my experience, it's unusual for a writer with your background to be relying on sites like HP to earn income.

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   FatFreddysCatposted 2 years ago

   
   
   I never trusted that damn Fred.

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      TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You just made me laugh!

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   lobobrandonposted 2 years ago

   As I and others have pointed out quite a few times, HP should experiment by stopping interlinking among the niche sites.
   
   Right at the beginning when people were saying Fred was an Ad update I said that the link profile on HealDove was fishy when compared to Caloriebee for example. I still stick to this.

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      TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That's really interesing. I think that's a pertinent piece of advice. I didn't realize that they were interlinking.  The problem with that is that if one site isn't acceptable, by virtue of its links to the other sites, it's going to lower the standards of those sites.
      
      When I tried to upload two of articles on niche sites a few weeks ago to flipboard, it said that the site wasn't accepted on flipboard (Wanderwisdom).
      
      Did you have a drop in traffic?

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         lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Not at all. One of my articles that consistently gets 400 a day has dropped to 350 and one day 250 too, but it's beginning to improve again. Even though it's pretty consistent at 400 there were times where there were a few days where it dropped.
         
         What I mean by consistent is that the traffic is not dependent on weekends, season, etc.
         
         This is my article on caloriebee, that is why when I compared the two sites I used caloriebee as a base since I knew caloriebee does not have an all around drop.
         
         P.S: Writing from my phone, there may be some grammatical and spelling issues.

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            TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Okay. Thanks. Difficult for me to know. Most of my traffic comes from Google and Pinterest. (I didn't put my links there.)

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               lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               A gardening hub of mine gets constant traffic from pinterest. Never added them myself, but some lovely people on the web have added mine and yours too hehe.

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         Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         It has always worried me that the niche sites interlink with Hubs on HubPages.
         
         After all, the niche sites were created to get out from under Google's perception that the main site was low quality.  Which I thought was a great idea.  So then what do they do?   Put masses of links on the niche sites, linking back to Hubs on HubPages!

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            TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Duh! It doesn't make sense, does it?
            
            And apparently, Fred, is about backlinks. HP should remove the backlinks immediately.
            
            Perhaps hp put in the links to drive traffic to the niche sites. After all, when it transferred articles, one way or another, it couldn't just let the existing sites go. Still, they refer all articles back to hubpages.

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               Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               I'm talking about links FROM the niche sites back TO HubPages.
               
               Each old Hub that's transferred does have a 301 redirect TO the niche site, because if it didn't, we'd lose all the age and backlinks they gained.  I'm not too worried about that because I don't think Fred is looking at inbound links.   
               
               However, the links from the niche sites back to HubPages are outbound links and that is a problem.

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                  lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  From what I am seeing it's inbound links, Marisa. Maybe outbound are also targetted, but inbound is the problem. If it were outbound don't you think all niche sites would be affected to some extent? They are not.
                  
                  And the redirects are not the problem, those are not counted as inbound links.

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      Jan Saintsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I think it's also good if they can stop using related hubs from HP!

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   iAnilKumarposted 2 years ago

   This updated was first launched in January 10, 2017, and is related to pop-ups that block content, especially on mobile devices. This update seems to have been aimed at combating private blog networks (PBNs). As we can see the list of major google algorithm updates in different forums, many webmasters and SEO professionals who are using PBNs have seen their Projects have been hit by this update. (Published on business 2 community, titled "Google’s Fred Update: Algorithm Changes and Updates"
   And Search Engine Watch also have covered it as "The Private Blog Network Purge – Are You at Risk?"
   
   Please search these topics and get updated, hope this will helps you guys to overcome with the current issue.

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      TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry, the three links I posted initially are much more detailed. The first link you posted, not so detailed. The second link is better, but it has a pop up which is irritating.
      
      https://searchenginewatch.com/sew/how-t … ou-at-risk
      
      I have a question, though.
      
      Are you suggesting that hubpages has purposely put up blog sites just to direct traffic to HP? I seriously don't believe that.

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         iAnilKumarposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         No,  sorry for any misconception, I didn't mean that I just wanted to drive the information about the update, and may be Google's this update affect some of the HP's post. Because if some HP seen drop in traffic after this update, then the possibility to get affected with this update is high.

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            TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Well, I have definitely seen a drop in my traffic. Most of my traffic comes from google and from pinterest. I only share my links on social networking sites - Facebook, Google Plus, and sometimes linked in (which doesn't get  me any traffic).
            
            However my top performing hubs do have a lot of backlinks. They aren't put there by me, though. I once tried to trace them all, but there were too many. So this brings me to another question: Why would sites that are trying to drive traffic to their own sites back link to my article which is not on their site?
            
            I think what is being said is good, and it is well worth considering.
            
            I'm trying to figure out why hubpages traffic has dropped.
            
            I think the interlinking between the niche sites is possibly one reason.
            Perhaps hubpages puts up too many ads, though I have never found them intrusive and would find that difficult to believe, but some sites say that google is targeting sites with too many ads.
            Perhaps there are hubbers that have private blogs solely for the reason of directing traffic to hubpages, but that would need to be a helluve lot of hubs, and I can't see hubbers buying domain names, when the cost would probably be more than they ever earn on hubpages.
            
            So, all in all, I'm puzzled as well.
            
            Unless Google is hellbent on eradicating any site that purposely puts up a site in order to earn advertising. The entire reasoning behind that is bizarre, because all sites that aren't promoting a product are putting it up for adsense or other revenue.

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               Mark Ewbieposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               Just a minor thing but "all sites that aren't promoting a product are putting it up for adsense or other revenue" is not entirely correct.
               
               There are many sites that exist to promote views, share hobby interests or provide information absolutely FREE of advertising or commercial gain.
               
               Arguably it could be a way of determining genuine content.
               
               Would this site, blog, article exist if there were no financial reward?
               
               Now that would be a fun test.
               
               Of course none of that is why Google is making changes.  In their case it is ALL about the money.

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                  TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Hi Mark, Nice to see you.
                  
                  Surely it must be a small percentage? Or am I missing something? Remember people have to pay for their websites.

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                     Mark Ewbieposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                     Hi Tess. 
                     
                     Yes sadly it is probably a low percent.  But I was arguably correct that it isn't ALL.
                     
                     As part of researching my own stuff I often stumble on small websites for less mainstream activities run by fans and enthusiats who may never have heard of adsense.
                     
                     They create their site as part of their club or interest - to share pics, data and the date of the next meetup.
                     
                     An old-fashioned idea no doubt!

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                        TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                        Do they get a lot of traffic?

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                           Mark Ewbieposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                           I guess not.
                           
                           Although for them and their users they provide a simple place to go without a load of ads.
                           
                           Here is an example.  Morris Dancing.
                           
                           http://www.rattlejagmorris.org.uk/
                           
                           No ads as far as I can see.
                           
                           That is the sort of site I am referring to.  A minority interest created for their people - not for advertising.
                           
                           There are other bigger sites such as the appalling plagirist site Wikipedia.
                           
                           And the equally appalling taxpayer funded BBC UK site.
                           
                           But I was really thinking fondly of sites like the Morris Dancers who do it for love.
                           
                           The way the internet used to be. Much better in my opinion.
                           
                           Saw a great one on Axololotls the other day.  Not an adsense in sight.
                           
                           None of this is what the Google change is about.  Global non tax paying corporate monopoly with an agenda - they care nothing for the internet or its users.

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                              TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                              No, they don't care much for the users. We are just consumer objects. They use social networking to find out everything about us, and then they offer us a piece of bait to make us bite!
                              
                              Thanks for the example.

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                              Will Apseposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                              Apart from this:
                              Rattlejag cd's are available:-
                              Rattlejag Collection  £5
                              Trentside Tapestry   £6
                              Or £10 for both Cd's
                              
                              'professionally recorded at Swanyard Recording Studio - Retford'
                              
                              I reckon an article titled "The 10 Best Ciders to Make You Think Morris Dancing is Okay' would do well on that site. With Amazon ads, of course.

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                                 Mark Ewbieposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                                 Ah... well spotted Will. I just looked for Adsense and Amazon - the usual culprits.
                                 
                                 That CD might make a good Xmas present or perhaps a Secret Santa.

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                                    Solarasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                                    Seeing all these posts, I had to see what this Morris Dancing thing is all about.. ummm, no offense, but I like our native dancing costumes better than those of Nottinghamshire - also we use rattlesnake rattles for our Rattlejags. 
                                    
                                    
                                    now on line for corn dogs.
                                    
                                    

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                              Sherry Hewinsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                              So, do you think Google is looking with favor upon these noncommercial websites? It seems to me they are leaning more and more to the big names and cutting out the little guys, including those who are not out to make money.

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                                 Will Apseposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                                 It seems Google is favoring bigger sites these days on the basis they have more resources and are more professional. Or they are pushing more resources to established publishers to keep them healthy/afloat, maybe.

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                                 TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                                 I agree.

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                                 Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                                 There was a time when Google definitely favoured the big guys, then there was another change in algorithm which favoured the niche website, of whatever size.   I benefited hugely from that for a couple of years.  In the last year or so, I'm noticing my traffic dropping again.

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               iAnilKumarposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, I agree with you and ever I also don't see any sponsored link or ads on hubpages.  Since it is a money making channel so, may be in thsi regard Google have recognize it in fred update? What do you say?

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      Marisa Wrightposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting - if it's targeting blog networks, I wonder if the profile of HubPages and its niche sites look like a "network" in the eyes of this update?

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         EricDockettposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Blog networks are set up to point back to one main domain, right? Wouldn't the niche sites all pointing back to HP kind of look that way?
         
         In any event, it appears that HP has drastically reduced the linking back to the HP domain from the niches. I'm pretty darned glad to see that, if I am reading it correctly.

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   lobobrandonposted 2 years ago

   I'm going to have to disagree with Mark on this one. It's just like saying the best homes are the ones built by people who build homes as a hobby and give them up freely for anyone to live in.
   
   You can have a much better website if you are doing it for commercial gain against when you are doing it as a hobby. The end user needs to come first in both cases.

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      Mark Ewbieposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That's cool.
      
      I made a mistake.
      
      Ventured an opinion on the internet.
      
      Waste of time.
      
      Back to doing my stuff.

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         theraggededgeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         I think there's plenty of room for both. One type need not be better than the other as long as there is a gap to fill.

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         lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         I didn't say what you said was wrong, I just said it's not the only way

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            Mark Ewbieposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Yep it's OK lobo.  My bad.
            
            I gave up with forums a while back and then made a mistake getting involved.
            
            Apart from being pointless they just waste time - like I am doing now.
            
            I am annoyed with myself for typing crap instead of working.
            
            Cheers.

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               lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               Haha I know that feeling. Bye

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               Bedbugabscondposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               I'm just glad to see that your OK Mark. I was just thinking about you the other day and wondering if you were still around!

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      TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Um. San Diego Comic con Interational is entirely volunteer run. We all work for free. And, um, it's the biggest and best comic convention in the world - world famous. Their website is pretty awesome, too. Sorry, they're not there to make money. It's not a commercial site.

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         lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         So? Did I say that it's not possible. I said it's possible to have a commercial site that is equally good.

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            TessSchlesingerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            You said you disagreed with Mark. And he didn't say anything about a commercial site being as good as  non-commercial site. What he actually said was "Just a minor thing but "all sites that aren't promoting a product are putting it up for adsense or other revenue" is not entirely correct."
            
            For the record, I can't abide commercial sites. I completely and utterly avoid anything that promotes anything.

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   jansharesposted 2 years ago

   Traffic down again in the middle of the week? By 100 views. Is this Fred Phase II?

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      lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Which niche site? Not seeing weird stuff on:
      - Caloriebee
      - Dengarden

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         jansharesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Looks like HealDove again. It's my total 1 day views. I don't have hubs on the 2 you mentioned. Wed and Thursday are high traffic days for me so it seemed strange. Back later, got a client.

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            jansharesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            LetterPile article lost a chunk of views.

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               lobobrandonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               oh

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