New World Order? Are Conspiracy Theorists Right?
We have the USSR which, even in its current tattered form, is still pretty much a union. We have the European Union. Some might argue that the OPEC nations might be considered a union. And now there is talk amongst the conspiracy theorists of a North American Union coming. Are we really heading toward a more unified planet? Is this possible? And if so, what do you think it would be like?
Well, speaking as a conspiracy theorist, I see these unions as steps towards the global fascist government, global currency, global army and micro-chipped population otherwise known as the New World Order. The NAU already has the Amero coin planned to take over as the new currency, just as the Euro is planned to replace all the European currencies.
I think the NWO is to be opposed in every way because it will be a nightmare world much much worse than what we already have.
Please watch this short video as currently being recommended by David Icke to see what is going on:
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/21125Looking at our history before us, from the Romans and their Crisis of the 3rd Century, to the treaties and creation of the Triple Entente, I can't help but say that it is not possible, for there could never be a balance "of a more unified planet."
I'm not saying that such a reality could not be created; nor am I saying that such a power could not be tried, but what I am saying is, it would only be a matter of time before the scale of balance amongst the human element begins to favor a direction.
As for the NWO, Behold the Pale horse had some interesting suggestions about that.Looking at our history before us, from the Romans and their Crisis of the 3rd Century, to the treaties and creation of the Triple Entente, I can't help but say that it is not possible, for there could never be a balance "of a more unified planet."
I'm not saying that such a reality could not be created; nor am I saying that such a power could not be tried, but what I am saying is, it would only be a matter of time before the scale of balance amongst the human element begins to favor a direction.
As for the NWO, Behold the Pale horse had some interesting suggestions about that.We are unified right now. As I submit this, people all over the world can view it. The trick is to unify and still keep your personal integrity. Unity does not have to be a bad thing, nor must it be absolute.
What is the good of unifying? By that, I mean why should we unify? How do we benefit from it?
While I think Bard of Ely has a point, I don't think there's really a Master Plan or anything like that. Since the dawn of modern war, nations have realized that they cannot bear the costs of war alone, the US is currently finding that out the hard way. So first we have military alliances to spread the cost over member nations. Soon enough, we see economic cooperation and control. After all if it's good enough for the military, it's good enough for the economy, right? Finally we see political unification.
Now what most people don't realize is that most of these unions are based on control. Control of force, control of the economy and control of the political life of the union. In essence we're seeing the rise of a global oligarchy and aristocracy. It will be interesting to see how many, or even if, people will rediscover the benefits of liberty and property. I think four years of Papa Obama will wake most people up to the dangers of collectivization, we've always been behind Europe when it comes to socialism. We haven't seen more protests against collectivization here because it hasn't gotten bad enough. I give it about a year before the consequences of our tax and spend Congress comes home to roost and we see protests against the nonsense coming out of Washington.Yep, that's what I see too - some kind of rather natural movement, like small creeks joining to form a big river
Of course there is a master plan. International bankers and US/British oil companies are at the root of this plan. PNAC and Leo Strauss were at the root of this plan. It is a plan to hold the whole world in debt, to control the world through debt, and to limit the sovereignty of the nations through debt. Problem is, while on the surface this seems noble, it is a method for war profiteering, and war has been the surest way for this debt to increase. It is a plan, an evil one, and it will lead to ruin.
Whether Bard is right about the microchips or not, the control of the money by the private federal reserve, who represents international banking, is what leads the US and other nations around on a leash. If there is to be peace in the world, we must disable the international banking "community" and render it powerless. Otherwise we are headed to WW3.
Of course the conspiracy theorists are right, how can you think otherwise? Unless, of course, you are one who is trying to do the cover up. Hmmmm, I always suspected that about you...lol
Please stay where you are, we are coming. It's time for Re-Neducation.
I kinda see it as the next evolutionary step forward (not saying it's a good one, just saying it's a natural progression).
We all started out as loners, then gathered in small clans. From there, we hunted together until we decided to stop being nomads and cooperatively farmed together. After that, it went onto small villages, towns, cities, states, and then countries. Seeing whole continents unite seems to be the next logical progression.
Will things get worse? Well ... did things get worse when we (in the US) went from independent colonies to a union of states? Hard to say, though history doesn't seem to show it if it did.
However, human nature is bound to prevent a New World Order from ever occurring. We like being individualistic and we prefer to remain among those who we believe think like we do and are willing to defend our beliefs. With so many different ways of thinking in the world, I can never see a day in my lifetime where everyone will agree to fly the same flag.
Of course, some may offer that it will come about by force, but with big players such as the European Union, the US, the Russian Union, and China, I can never see where any faction would gain enough power to overthrow another and make it succumb.
Idealistically, there would be one flag across the world, but I also know the bad things that can come of a New World Order and can only hope that if it ever occurs, those in the future will take heed to the warnings that have been given in the past.
Rest assured, the conspiracy theorists have much to do with the fact that a New World Order is far off in the future, as they keep the fires burning to remind us of why we choose individualism over loss of culture and personal identity.- Ghost32posted 14 years ago
0My view on this has long involved a two part, "Bad News, Good News" double barreled theory, to wit:
Bad News: Conspiracies abound, oh yes indeedy, oh me, oh my.
Good News: Get three human beings together, and each two of them will plot against the third. Which, over time, tends to stick a lot of scorpions in the boots of the plotters while they're sleeping.
Conclusion: It ain't a purty picture, but them ain't over till it's over, neither. If you are worried about it then just put your head in the sand it won't be there to bug ya.
The New World Order exists now! Ever own a credit card? Have a SS# or an IM I.D.? This isn't some new thing that is going to happen but something that has been in place for a long time. The difference is that now it is showing more in the fact that yes Unions of nations are forming with defense and trade agreements while sharing a common currency. WOOP EE DEE DOO!
Just remember when they start handing out the chip implant that for some reason you couldn't make it down to their drone clinic that day! RF Sat tracking devices, they can google earth ya and see you from orbit! Not only that but they will also be able to track you using their new facial recognition technology from cameras placed in urban areas... RUN FOR THE HILLS! But remember that even the hills have eyes.It is inevitable if we survive that the planet will come together. I don't see it happening for a long time. The next union that is likely in my opinion is Latin America. I just hope that we can change our relationship to one of mutual friendship so we are not dealing with another powerful adversary to our south. President O'Bama has developed a good relationship with the presidents of Chile and Brazil. I hope we can continue down that road. The last thing we need is Latin America to be so alienated to the US that they form a union under Chavez.
- ralwusposted 14 years ago0
I don't think there is a conspiracy. I do think there are powers that be that are seeing the natural process of unions and are realizing that we are a shrinking globe. It will come as a natural political move. It's inevitable. War is not an answer and money rules the thinking of these powerful people.
Heh. People can plan and people can scheme but the world works according to its own rules. That's why most conspiracies fail in the end. They don't take into account the world and how it tends to equilibrium. You can cheat for a while, but sooner or later, things spring back to where they should be. If there were a real conspiracy, they would have to invalidate natural laws in order to be successful at whatever nefarious plan they have.
Since even they have to answer to natural law, they too will fail in the end.They already won. They fleeced the world with CDO's. Then they fleeced the US treasury for a bailout. They are already talking about substituting for the dollar. The fed will be our economic regulator and they are moving to a one world central bank.
I would say they have accomplished most of their goals already.No they didn't. They only succeeded if their plan was to fail. These banks failed. As in going bankrupt. You don't win when you go bankrupt. You lose. What we're seeing now is desperate attempts to fend off the inevitable. They're doing everything they can to fend it off, but it's like trying to keep the sun from rising in the East. It won't happen. All you can do is prolong the agony and do much more damage before you fall. Even if they did somehow create a one world currency, it would still fail and fall due to the fact that paper money is worth nothing. There is noting backing it but fantasy. Sooner or later the central bankers are going to try to spend us to prosperity again and we'll be right back where we are today.
- pgrundyposted 14 years ago0
There's no master plan. The people running these mongo banks aren't even that smart. Everybody is just scared and wigged out right now.
I think there will be a further collapse in 2010 through 2011 and then we will see major changes in the world by 2012. The nature of those changes is somewhat unpredictable at this point, but it won't be the same world after that.
Sounds a bit 'woo-woo' I know. But I don't think it's a conspiracy. It's just a major change underway.I agree 110%. Hopefully we won't repeat the mistakes of the past.
This is right from the Council on Foreign Relations mouth. Keep in mind that Gingrich, Clinton, Sawyer and many other famous people are members. This is a must read. The CFR is a shill for the international banking community: http://www.cfr.org/publication/9903/sov … ation.html
From the site:
"Globalisation thus implies that sovereignty is not only becoming weaker in reality, but that it needs to become weaker. States would be wise to weaken sovereignty in order to protect themselves, because they cannot insulate themselves from what goes on elsewhere. Sovereignty is no longer a sanctuary.
This was demonstrated by the American and world reaction to terrorism. Afghanistan’s Taliban government, which provided access and support to al-Qaeda, was removed from power. Similarly, America’s preventive war against an Iraq that ignored the UN and was thought to possess weapons of mass destruction showed that sovereignty no longer provides absolute protection. Imagine how the world would react if some government were known to be planning to use or transfer a nuclear device or had already done so. Many would argue correctly that sovereignty provides no protection for that state.
Necessity may also lead to reducing or even eliminating sovereignty when a government, whether from a lack of capacity or conscious policy, is unable to provide for the basic needs of its citizens. This reflects not simply scruples, but a view that state failure and genocide can lead to destabilising refugee flows and create openings for terrorists to take root."
As you read above bear in mind that we went into Afghanistan to build a pipeline for oil shipment from the Caspian Sea. The Taliban were wined and dined (actually they don't drink) in Texas in 1997 and refused a bribe to build the pipeline. That was why we invaded Afghanistan, as 911 was merely an excuse. One world government is coming and think about it, there already exist banks "too big to fail" and "too big to nationalize" in the real sense of nationalization as was done with the savings and loans in the 90's. These super banks are wagging the dog, the USA! We know that the Iraq War was for oil, and had nothing to do with 9/11. This guy was lying through his teeth and he is the head of the CfR! There is a NWO coming.
Now the main part is to actually agree on to what was mistakes, and what was not
Also from the above link we see that this person is seeking to redefine sovereignty, eliminating the absolute status sovereignty has enjoyed. This will affect the US as well:
"Our notion of sovereignty must therefore be conditional, even contractual, rather than absolute. If a state fails to live up to its side of the bargain by sponsoring terrorism, either transferring or using weapons of mass destruction, or conducting genocide, then it forfeits the normal benefits of sovereignty and opens itself up to attack, removal or occupation. The diplomatic challenge for this era is to gain widespread support for principles of state conduct and a procedure for determining remedies when these principles are violated.
The goal should be to redefine sovereignty for the era of globalisation, to find a balance between a world of fully sovereign states and an international system of either world government or anarchy.
The basic idea of sovereignty, which still provides a useful constraint on violence between states, needs to be preserved. But the concept needs to be adapted to a world in which the main challenges to order come from what global forces do to states and what governments do to their citizens, rather than from what states do to one another."All the CFR is trying to do is legitimize the neocon view of an American Empire. With the Pyrrhic victory in Iraq, they've lost credibility in the circles of power. This is a weak attempt to recast that failed policy in a new light.
These leaders are forgetting Locke. We only allow governments to rule over us until they become too intrusive. Then revolution inevitably follows. Leaders don't seem to realize that power has shifted irrevocably from aristocracies to mass movements. Mass literacy and the development of gunpowder weapons that are easy to use changed the balance of power forever.
These guys are confusing people penchant for keeping familiar forms of government with apathy. They can plot and they can scheme, but sooner or later, it'll backfire on them. We're entering unknown territory with the economy. Nobody can say with any accuracy what's going to happen. The best you can do is make general assumptions. In that way it's kinda like the Uncertainty Principle in physics. You can see somewhat where you're going, but there's always that uncertainly bit. I think our politicos are going to run smack dab into that uncertainty before too long.I certainly hope you are right. They misjudged the ferocity of the victims' walking away from bad house loans and usurious credit card rates may have caught these bozos off guard. But it could mean a doubling of their efforts. Again, I hope you are right. I am not as confident as yuu are.
Check out some books on microeconomics and check out http://www.mises.org
It's not some great conspiracy that did this, but rather ignorance and stupidity. Government economists use a Keynsian approach to economics which is wrong. The Austrian School predicted all of this stuff years ago. You can get a better idea of where things are going to go if you read up on it."When confronted with a problem involving the use of the reasoning faculties, individuals of strong intellect keep their poise, and seek to reach a solution by obtaining facts bearing upon the question. Those of immature mentality, on the other hand, when similarly confronted, are overwhelmed. While the former may be qualified to solve the riddle of their own destiny, the latter must be led like a flock of sheep and taught in a simple language...To the discerning few were revealed the esoteric, or spiritual, teachings, while the unqualified many recieved only the literal, or exoteric, interpretations. In order to make simple the great truths of Nature and the abstract principles of natural law, the vital forces of the universe were personified, becoming the gods and goddesses of ancient mythologies. While the ignorant multitudes brought their offerings to the altars of Priapus and Pan...the wise recognized in these marble statues only symbolic concretions of great abstract truths." The Secret Teachings of All Ages, Manly P. Hall 33, Philosophical Research Society, 1926
That's kind of like the answer I posted to the Nigerian Witch posting. I rather think there are two types of people. The first look for rational solutions to the problems we see around us. The other goes for the easy supernatural or luck explanation. I don't believe in the supernatural or luck.
This link puts your idea that it was accidental to bed: http://beyondmoney.net/tag/international-bankers/ From the site:
"If you don’t believe the pre-meditation involved please read the quote below from the Wall Street Journal, Nov. 27th. 2007:
“In 1998 the Basle Accord created the opportunity for regulatory arbitrage whereby banks could shift loans off their balance sheets. A new capital discipline that was designed to “improve” risk management led to a PARALLEL BANKING SYSTEM whose lack of transparency explains how the market started to seize up.
The “originate-to-distribute” model REDUCED THE INCENTIVE for banks to monitor the CREDIT QUALITY of the loans they pumped into...}"
And you rip your own argument again when you say you don't believe in luck or superstition. I don't either. I believe that a rational explanation for the housing scheme is obvious, and it was planned. There is a reason the regulators didn't regulate and the rating agencies rated junk AAA.
You are so naive.
I don't care about the illuminati stuff. I do see a NWO in facts and in statements made by those who have the power to pull it off. And the off balance sheet banking scheme was planned and was not an accident. I read Mises. They are wrong.
Of course the bankers underestimated the lack of will of people to pay their debts back, but they had plan B, the raping of the US treasury. They have that sort of power. No accident.
And finally, off balance sheet accounting was meant to deceive. It was meant to be hidden off balance sheet!!! The very concept is meant to deceive.
copied this from - theforbiddenknowledge.com/awaken/index.htm
I'm not so sure about the comment about the ufo movement.I take the view the there are ufos from elsewhere but I wouldn't put it our government to do a psyop operation as sighted here
The coming New World Order is based on this occult philosophy known as the 'Pure Luciferian Doctrine' or 'Illuminism.' The symbology for this religion is everywhere.
Unveiling of the Mystery Religion
This religions public unveiling is has been occuring for quite some time. Although the average person will only see the exoteric so will miss it completely. I will discuss this briefly.
In the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry the 30th degree to the 33rd degree are degrees of Illumination with the 33rd being the most sought after by the 'illumined man.' The 33rd degree is the highest publically known degree in Freemasonry. The number 33 signifies 'Illumination' and freedom from religious dogma (superstition). The human backbone contains 33 vertebrea with the cranium (intellect) on top.
The number 13 is also significant in the Mysteries. In the occult Gematria (number system) the number 6 represents man. The number 7 represents divine perfection or God. The Hebrew (Biblical) Gematria system is identical for these particular numbers. Thus it can be seen that the number 13 is a combination of man and divine perfection which is exactly what illuminism actually is, man becomes a god. The York Rite of Freemasonry has 13 degrees (only 9 publically). Also the Bavarian Order of Illuminati (Adam Weishaupt's branch) had 13 degrees.
The obelisk (which is a phallic symbol pertaining to Osiris) is also another important symbol in the mysteries. It symbolises the Lost Word of Freemasonry or the 'secret' of the Mysteries. The obelisk is a symbol of the generative force of the sun god (intellect). To understand this fully it is necessary to study the Osirian cycle but I will not go into that now.
Now consider the following examples.....
The Popes cassock has 32 buttons and his head represents the 33rd.
If you look at the roof of the United Nations General Assembly you will see a large light circular light surrounded by 32 smaller lights.
If you look at the United Nations own symbol you will see a circle divided up into 32 sections with the center being the 33rd.
On the United Nations symbol you will notice 13 leaves on the olive branch depicted. The symbol for the Soviet Union also has this feature as well as 32 rays emenating from the sun with the sun being the 33rd. The United Nations flag is in reality the Universal Flag of Freemasonry and this was confirmed by the Grand Lodge of Scotland's homepage.
The Washington monument is an obelisk.
There is an obelisk at the Vatican surrounded by a circle. This represents the union of Osiris and Isis (exoteric). Also these two symbols are surrounded further out by 32 archways on each side of the courtyard, in all it is an outdoor temple of the Mystery Schools.
Look at the two Great Seals of the United States on the U.S. One Dollar Bill. Count the number of thirteens. On the eagle one wing has 32 sections while the other has 33. The symbology in these two seals is very blatent to those who understand the symbolic language.
13 inches is equal to 33 centimetres. So this relationship even shows up in our measuring system which originated in masonic France in the 1790s.
666 divided by 212 Farenheit (boiling point of water) is equal approximately to PI (3.14...) and 32 degrees Farenheit is when water becomes unfrozen which corresponds with the degrees of illumination in the Masonic Lodge. D. Farenheit was most definitely a student of the occult.
As well as these few examples you will notice that many buildings (particularly those owned by foundations such as the Rockefeller Foundation) are having symbology incorporated into their designs. Look out for symbols of the sun, pyramids, obelisks, the all seeing eye of Osiris, the circle with a dot in the middle, a snake in a circle biting its tale.
The list of symbology goes on and on, it is all over the place.
The entire UFO movement is laced with the Mysteries symbology. All these people are running around believing in aliens from other planets and because they do not understand the symbolic language they are being unwittingly decieved. Also if these people were to take some time and seriously study what the theory of evolution actually teaches and the evidence it is actually based on they would learn that life cannot evolve (I myself was stunned when I found this to be true). This fact upsets many people unfortunately because of its philosophical implications, yet it is a provable fact!
All you folks who are caught up in the New Age belief that there will be an extra-terrestrial landing and that these entities will lead humanity through the next jump in evolutionary development are being intentionally decieved. From my studies I consider a STAGED alien landing to be quite a probable event in the future. The evidence indicates it will be an intentional HOAX. Do not be fooled.
The New Age movement is full of the symbology of the Mysteries as well, just go into a newsagent and flick through the magazines in the New Age section. You will see the sun and other symbology everywhere.It is intersting to note that the Scottish Rite Journal was called the 'New Age' up until the early 1990's. The New Age movement is just a revival of occultic mysticism whereby it is taught that every human being can tap into their inner christ consciousness and become their own god. Yet because these people have not studied history to see the roots of what they follow they do not understand the true principles of what they follow. It is interesting to note that New Age teachings were prevalent during the rise of the Third Reich. Now we see the rise of the Fourth Reich.
What I have explained here about the Mysteries is only a very broad overview of such a subject. It is very difficult to describe this subject by being so brief. Volumes and volumes can be written on this subject. These people who practice this religion are seated in many of the most influential positions around the world. I urge you to look up just how many Presidents of the United States have belonged to the Masonic Lodge for example. You will find just about all of them. The street plan of Washington D.C. even incorprates Masonic symbology.
I have learned the hard way that most people when presented with this information immediately dismiss it as just the figment of the imaginations of crazy conspiratorialists. This is the view the mass media and society in general holds. This is the one thing that saddens me the most, very few people think for themselves these days. So few people are willing to even check this information out to see if it is true or not. This is factual information and can be documented from the vast amount documentation which exists in the public domain, but you have to look into it for yourself. It takes effort! World leaders, established education and the established media will never bring this subject to the light which it deserves.
The truth I have found is that most people today do not want TRUTH, they would rather feel comfortable. Most people do not want to learn truth for they fear it will breach their comfort zones. Most people simply choose a world view they feel comfortable with and if evidence contradictory to that world view is presented to them they ignore it. They believe that if they ignore it it will go away. Truth also tends to interfere with a persons plans. Also it is a matter of pride. Human beings naturally do not like to admit to themselves that they have been decieved and led down the primrose path.
Human beings naturally like to hide from unpleasant reality. This is why some women undergo cosmetic surgery as they get older, while others of all ages cake on the makeup to hide what is true. People prefer fantasy and what feels good. It also applies to those who refuse to investigate this particular world view I am expounding.
I consider myself a realist. I like to be able to recognise the real world in which I live, not the fictional reality which political, economic and religious leaders would like us all to believe. Unfortunately most people are in fact foolish apathetic sheople, this is not something I like to say or feel proud of saying, it just happens to be the truth.
When Adolf Hitler was building his power base in Germany there were a few people who awakened and realised what was going on. There were some people who were sounding the alarm of what they could see happening but these people were ignored by most. Some Jews listened and left the country. Some Germans listened and left the country also. Those who ignored the warnings soon found themselves living in tyranny and many wondered how this scenario could have happened to them. It is exactly the same today. People are to distracted with everyday things to stop and think. Also as in the late 1930's people are going to be shocked when the hard times come and they lose their freedomsQuestion, are you free and accepted, a Mason?
Hi there
Yes, you are right about a more unified world.
David Ike though is not completely right.I have read his book.The truth shall set you free.
The real power behind the scenes is the papacy.It controls the world through secret societies such as the freemasons.They may openly oppose them but they also secretly embrace them.St Pauls in London has a compass and set square on the cealing which is the main symbol of masons and is infact a sex symbol.The G stands for generative principle
Study Revelation and Daniel in the bible about the prophecies of the Antichrist.You will discover that the papacy meets all the criteria.The reformers openly told who the antichrist was.
Interestingly enough the Papacy claims Sunday as it's mark of power.It says it changed the bible from saturday to Sunday and that she is above the bible.You can google Romes challenge to Protestants.
This is the mark of the beast.America is also in bible prophecy.It is the lamb like beast.
One day in the not too distant future America will issue a national Sunday Law. It will become an international Sunday law and nobody will be able to buy or sell unless they pay homage to the papacy by keeping Sunday holy.
I can say a lot more but I do not have enough time but if you go on youtube and type in walter veith+new world order you will discover some interesting things.
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