Google November 2019 Update Has Struck

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  1. paradigmsearch profile image60
    paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago

    Enlightening indeed. There are a few comments I'd like to make, but I am going to defer. Suffice to say, I'm going to keep doing exactly what I have been doing. smile … 19/334803/

    1. OldRoses profile image94
      OldRosesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      My traffic usually slows in the fall and winter because I write mainly about gardening, but it is usually a slow decline.  This year, it has fallen off a cliff.  My traffic is drastically less.

      1. lobobrandon profile image88
        lobobrandonposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        I just compared year on year and my dengarden articles are up 5-10%, 84% down on my Caloriebee article which was once my highest trafficked hub (still the highest total number).

  2. PaulGoodman67 profile image95
    PaulGoodman67posted 4 years ago

    As I understand it, Google have since confirmed there was an update, but say it was just a minor, routine one that they do regularly.

    Google Confirmed Search Algorithm Update Rolled Out; Here Is What We Know - SE Round Table

  3. eugbug profile image94
    eugbugposted 4 years ago

    My traffic's down 20 % and 50% on one hub due to the latest upodate and the BERT one.

  4. Em Clark profile image93
    Em Clarkposted 4 years ago

    Blue arrows everywhere with no real rhyme nor reason. I have articles on a niche that are doing fine traffic wise while other articles on the same niche are plummeting. It's just how it goes. My traffic is still down considerably for November.

  5. paradigmsearch profile image60
    paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago

    Yeah, my HP traffic is starting to look pretty grim. And this is Google Analytics talking, not the HP stats page. By comparison, my website month-to-date traffic is now significantly higher than my HP month-to-date traffic. I want to update my articles here, but there is that fear-of-HP-editors thing. Meanwhile, I'll just keep writing whatever comes to mind and throw it against the wall and see what sticks. Amazingly, I even wrote a religion article recently that Google originally hated, but is now being sent daily double-digit traffic; never saw that one coming. As for medical; yep, still continues to be deader than a door nail; no surprise there; Google has outright said they'd do that.

  6. Kierstin Gunsberg profile image93
    Kierstin Gunsbergposted 4 years ago

    I honestly don't get it. More and more this year I've had to DIG to find results in the SERPs. I don't mean on my own articles, I mean on information I'm seeking (a product review, advice, etc.). It doesn't feel like it's HubPages that's not keeping up, it feels like the SERPs are just getting worse and more irrelevant to what I'm hoping to find by searching in the first place. I find so much s-h-*-t on the first page that I'm usually not clicking until I get to the second page anyway.

    1. Kierstin Gunsberg profile image93
      Kierstin Gunsbergposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Also, my earnings are abysmal compared to this time last year and the year before. Again, I don't blame HubPages. It just seems like in order to be a first-page result on Google now, you have to be a crappy catch-all blog with sponsored posts.

  7. Rupert Taylor profile image94
    Rupert Taylorposted 4 years ago

    Contrarian here. My numbers are doing very well this fall, helped by several articles that people have spotted and posted somewhere that gets others to visit. I know a lot of people look at SERPS ( I have no idea what they are) and incomprehensible (to me) Google Analytics to divine their success or lack thereof.

    I'm an old-fashioned chap who believes that if you write a well-crafted article that ignores SEOs (again, whatever the blazes they are) some people will read it, and, through the miracle of digital gobbledygook that passes all understanding I will end up with something I can exchange for a bottle of wine.

    1. paradigmsearch profile image60
      paradigmsearchposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I took a quick look at your profile page. You are writing from the heart. I say keep doing what you are doing I say. smile big_smile smile

      Postscript. I'm doing the same.

  8. Butterfly67 profile image88
    Butterfly67posted 4 years ago

    Yes traffic down here too. My traffic is now about 10% of what it was last year :-(

  9. Will Apse profile image87
    Will Apseposted 4 years ago

    We need an update that gives us a boost rather than a kick in the head.

    Having stated the obvious, I will decide which wound to lick.

    1. paradigmsearch profile image60
      paradigmsearchposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      "Entropy: Meaning, Concept, Examples". Stick that in Google.

      1. Will Apse profile image87
        Will Apseposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        I have a feeling that more is it at work than mere entropy. Quite what it is, is hard to say.

        I know what I would do if I was up to me, though.

        I would cull any pages that had poor dwell times, all Amazon ads on pure info pages and remove any writer called pinky23 (or similar).

        I would also make all staff wear stetsons.

        Not sure if the latter would help, but it would amuse me no end.

        1. PaulGoodman67 profile image95
          PaulGoodman67posted 4 years agoin reply to this

          Sometimes the updates relate to purely technical issues though, rather than the actual writing content. That's why I'm always a bit wary of blaming the content. Sometimes it is, of course, but certainly not always. There is some stuff simply out of our control. In fact, most of it is out of our control. But it's still easier than doing your own website if you're more interested in writing than coding. Hehe!

          My views are generally down, but only 5% or so as far as I can see and that was after a partial recovery from the earlier shenanigans. Earnings is more of a concern in some ways for me.

          1. Will Apse profile image87
            Will Apseposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            When the niche sites first launched traffic was excellent. Now many people (but not all) have seen a downturn.

            Since the launch, Google has pumped out its usual slew of updates. At the same time, the niche sites have acquired a lot of new pages. And a few new features.

            Competition from other sites has also intensified.

            So, somewhere within the cauldron of algo changes and niche site changes and competition changes lies the culprit for decline.

            Given there is nothing we can do about Google's algos or the competition, it is worth looking at the HP network sites.

            The niche sites launched with nothing but tried and tested articles. All had high traffic. All probably had plenty of inbound links and good user metrics.

            Are the new articles doing as well? Are they supporting the niches or dragging them down? I would take a tranche and look at their dwell times.

            If there is an issue, revisit criteria for selecting new articles. Maybe shorten the trial period for publication.

            edit: I should say that I haven't been through recent articles looking for terrible stuff and have no reason to believe there is any terrible stuff. It is just the logical thing to check the success/failure rates of newer pages to make sure the selection criteria is robust. Maybe it has already been done...

            1. PaulGoodman67 profile image95
              PaulGoodman67posted 4 years agoin reply to this

              I would be very surprised if they aren't constantly doing that.

              I've had a few articles kicked off niche sites over the years.

              The truth is that out of the 300 hundred or so hubs I have published, most of my traffic is generated by just 10% of them. Those 10% are the ones that really matter to me, and presumably to HP.

              HP are in a situation though where they can't be too draconian as they don't want to discourage new writing. They need new hubs to expand. I think it's a balancing act. I mean, I've been here for years and consider myself pretty thick-skinned, but it does put me off when I get articles declined by the niches. If you've put in the hours for nothing, it takes a lot to dust yourself off and start again from scratch. Most newbies will just walk away in that situation, even if they have potential.

              1. Will Apse profile image87
                Will Apseposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                Encouraging new writers is part of the equation, for sure. Things are getting a bit severe for many right now, though, so I reckon everything should be looked at.

                It would be nice to check the performance of the newer pages and find they are all doing fine. If they are not, it would be nice to have found something constructive that could be done on HP's end.

                1. PaulGoodman67 profile image95
                  PaulGoodman67posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  I think it's also important to always bear in mind that the different niches perform differently. The niches I tend to write for are generally doing okay. I've always stayed away from say, health, which has a great potential for instability. My understanding is that the toughest thing for HP to assess is not visit times and technical elements like that, but the actual quality of the content, by which I mean in this context the verisimilitude. Google can afford to employ hundreds of people to assess whether they trust a site, or niche in this case, but HP hasn't got the same resources. The editors are generally checking the grammar, spelling, layout, but less so the content. When I was doing the Mechanical Turk thing of checking out hubs for publication, I got dinged because I marked down hubs that I suspected were presenting inaccurate information, because I'm supposed to just assess things like spelling, grammar, layout. It's a problematic area that has yet to be resolved, as far as I'm aware. Obviously, with some of the niches, eg Soapboxie, even Dengarden to some extent, have more subjective elements.

                  1. Will Apse profile image87
                    Will Apseposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                    I reckon your post points to some of the most important issues of our time but I also think you are being wildly optimistic about what is currently practical.

                    Apparently Google has 10,000+ human reviewers that check how well the  search algo is performing but they can only read a tiny proportion of the billions of extant webpages.

                    It is quite possible that no Google human has ever read an article on the network sites. It is the algo that handles the actual ranking of pages.

                    The algo tries to look at a lot of stuff including expertise, authority and trust (EAT) but it is not tasked with assessing verisimilitude. How could it? It is just a mindless string of equations.

                    The EAT thing, incidentally, is why I mentioned "Pinky23". Weird author names destroy trust. And rooting them out is a practical step HP could take to improve the site.

                    At some point, search results from Google will have to become genuinely reliable, with actual verisimilitude baked in or our societies will just be buried in falsehood.

  10. poppyr profile image91
    poppyrposted 4 years ago

    My traffic is good but earnings are low. I'm still working for HubPages out of the love of writing, but it'd be nice to see some reward for my efforts. Just got to keep trucking along, I suppose.

  11. paradigmsearch profile image60
    paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago

    It is sad there are so many obstacles and blockading gateways to contributing to society. All we can do is just keep trying.

    1. Will Apse profile image87
      Will Apseposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      As things stand at the moment. I can do the required amount of exercise to stay alive, or do a couple of hours of work. My contribution to this thread constitutes half a day's work.

      So, some TV for me and hope I stay awake, lol.

      That is where the entropy comes in...

    2. Will Apse profile image87
      Will Apseposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Just to revisit your observation... I thought I would update one of my pages but decided to check its health first. So I took a paragraph and dropped it into Google search.

      My page was nowhere to be found. Instead I got a rip off copy on a site with about 20 other pages (all copied as far as I can tell) and launched in June this year.

      I thought I could at least report it as a copyright violation to Google. Except, I can no longer remember the tortuous route that leads to the complaint form.

      Searched around a bit, got distracted, ended up playing a video game.

  12. NNazir profile image67
    NNazirposted 4 years ago

    Could you help me please? I can't search for any specific phrase of hubber(s). All I see is a magnifying glass giving me some catagories which sends me to external sites. where is the search bar? so frustrating!

  13. paradigmsearch profile image60
    paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago
    1. Will Apse profile image87
      Will Apseposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      That is where I started earlier, lol. Do you have the direct URL for filing a DMCA with Google search? I used to keep the URL to hand because I did not want to start hating the internet.

      Edit: Okay, I ran a search for "google dmca form" and found it. … tice?pli=1

      It will go in my bookmarks.

  14. paradigmsearch profile image60
    paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago

    Yeah, the maze from the URL that I posted to the URL you posted is indeed considerably longer now. I wasn't sure what was applicable and it's only going to get worse. I give our society less than 50 years before total collapse, "COMPLEXITY: Collapse expert and historian Joseph Tainter has proposed that societies eventually collapse under the weight of their own accumulated complexity and bureaucracy": … n-collapse

    1. Will Apse profile image87
      Will Apseposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      In this case, the complexity has to be deliberate. They want to discourage writers from reporting copyright issues.

      Becoming aware of the contempt for writers, is one reason the maze is so hard to navigate, You start to hate the creator of the maze, and hatred is an unpleasant feeling that does bad things to cognition.

      Anyway, reported the copyright outrage, will wait for the wheels to grind.

      Another issue: how concerned should I be that my page seems to have a significant Google penalty? My snippets of text should be coming up first in search, not way down the list.

      Maybe start another thread when I stop hating Google.

  15. paradigmsearch profile image60
    paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago

    Something is wrong. Google Analytics says my website traffic (both user and pageview) are literally double my Google Analytics HP traffic for Monday and Tuesday. Either my general-topic website is becoming awesome (yeah, right) or Google and HP are having another squabble (the latter being the more probable). Something is definitely going on. As a general-topic website, my website is nothing more than a minimal benchmark for me for what HP should be accomplishing. The subject matter for both groups of my articles is generally the same, the only variable is the platform.

  16. paradigmsearch profile image60
    paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago

    "Squabble" is not the appropriate word. "War" is.

    1. Will Apse profile image87
      Will Apseposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      How old is your site?

      I have to wonder if age is a problem for sites these days. The niches launch, they get a lot of traffic. A few years later it slips away.

      HP tried updating every article on axleaddict (or maybe on another niche) in a short period. Heard nothing about the results but I am guessing the benefits were not staggering or the exercise would have been repeated.

      Maybe something happens over time that is irreversible. Penalties accrue, pages are copied, etc etc and traffic is trashed in Google's relentless search for what it thinks readers want.

      edit: maybe the most important asset that HP has are the individual pages while the sites (any sites) are a liability over time. Instead of updating pages, rebrand i.e. mix up some new sites, and take the few years of traffic that Google will allow you.

  17. paradigmsearch profile image60
    paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago

    "How old is your site?"

    It's coming up on 9-10 years. And I'm pretty sure, "Old is beautiful." Reason being Google Analytics just welcomed me with this message: "Great work! You just hit a new record for monthly users." If it wasn't for the editor barriers, I'd be doing the same experimentation here on HP. Meanwhile, am still fond of HP. That, but also somewhat resigned.

    1. Will Apse profile image87
      Will Apseposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Old should be beautiful, but that is not the way things seem to be going here.


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