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   Eric Cauncaposted 4 years ago

   Hi, hubbers.
   
   I have a question about terminology.
   What do you call when you look at a photo that looks ordinary but when you stare at it, you see another image. For instance, when you look at a painting you see no horse on it, but when you stare you see an image of a horse? Is it called depiction, discernment, perception, recognition, or what? Thank you.

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      Misbah786posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Eric, it’s Optical illusion like this one
      
      
      
      Blessings

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         Eric Cauncaposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Thank you, Misbah but I am not asking for optical illusion. For sentence example,
         
         
         
         In this abstract painting, Eric (depicts? discerns?) an image of a white elephant.

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            Misbah786posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I can see an animal in it, but can't resemble it to  an elephant ..
            
            
            
            Abstract are like this one

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               Eric Cauncaposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               I know it. , but I no longer search for a more beautiful abstract art.

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            bravewarriorposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Eric, if you are the artist, you "depict" the image (active verb). As the viewer, you "discern" it (passive verb).
            
            Does this answer your question?

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               Eric Cauncaposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, that's what I am asking. Thank you, Shaunna.

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                  theraggededgeposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  There's a really useful online thesaurus to help you find the right word. I use it all the time.
                  
                  https://onelook.com/
                  
                  So put in the nearest word you can think of - maybe 'see'? Then you can play around with it until you get to the one which fits best. You can lightly click on words for the definition or hard click to open up their synonyms.
                  
                  But, yes, I'd go with 'discern'. Or, depending on context, 'perceive'.

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                     Eric Cauncaposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     There are buttons for it. Thank you, Bev.
                     
                     

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                  bravewarriorposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Glad I could be of help, Eric. Discern means to perceive or recognize. Again, it's a passive verb.

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                     Eric Cauncaposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     Thank you, Shauna

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   Eric Cauncaposted 4 years ago

   So the term for it is just "see"?

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      Misbah786posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Let me check it for you

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      Misbah786posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Will this work it is illustration
      
      
      

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   eugbugposted 4 years ago

   I think there's a specific term for this, let me investigate.
   
   
   Edit: Ambiguous, bi-stable images?
   
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubin_vase

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   eugbugposted 4 years ago

   On the subject of optical illusions, this is the shadow checker illusion. Squares A and B are the same shade of grey. If you don't believe me, save the image, cut out the squares and place side by side.
   

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      bravewarriorposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Eugene, he's not talking about optical illusions. He's talking about seeing images within images.
      
      My brother is an artist (who's also color blind) and he does this quite often. It has nothing to do with optical illusion. It has to do with the viewer REALLY looking at the artwork. My brother will often create images within water, or folds in clothing, or whatever strikes him. Those not-so-obvious images help tell the story of the piece.
      
      Artists are story-tellers. It takes the observer to find them.

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         eugbugposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         I know, see my earlier post. They're called  ambiguous, bi-stable images. Like the Rubin vase. Not sure if that's exactly what Eric means. The brain's process of making out what's in images in general is called visual perception.

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            bravewarriorposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            That isn't what he's talking about, Eugene. Here are a couple of my brother's paintings. If you look closely, you'll see images within the main image, but you have to look closely.
            
            
            
            Here's the same painting, but I've zoomed in on the hidden picture:
            
            
            
            
            
            And here's another. Do you see an entity behind the focus of the painting?
            
            
            
            

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               Misbah786posted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Shauna, The last one is so beautiful but this is abstract, right?

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                  bravewarriorposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  It depends on how you see, it, Misbah. When my brother first sent the draft to me, I was mesmerized by the colors and the sad story I perceived. I saw the angel behind the woman who was bound by the chains of her heart and wanted to buy it from him. He and I both struggled as to what to name this particular painting. (He gives all of his work a title, based on the story behind them.) We struggled and struggled and suddenly, she flew herself off the window sill where he had her perched, and several other of his paintings that were already firmly planted on the wall, flew off as well. He became spooked. His take is that she doesn't want to be named. After about a year, she's calmed down and now graces one of my brother's walls.
                  
                  My brother and I are part Cherokee Indian. He has much more of the spirit than do I. She spoke to him and he listened. She's now happy, sharing space with my brother. She doesn't belong anywhere but where she is.

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                     Misbah786posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     Shauna,
                     What a beautiful relationship your brother have with his arts, I am amazed
                     Thanks for sharing
                     Blessings.

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                        bravewarriorposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        Misbah, my brother is a beautiful soul. Thanks for recognizing that.

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                           Misbah786posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           Surely, he is
                           God bless both of you

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               eugbugposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               So are the images deliberately setup, or in the eye of the beholder like in the case of the Rorschach test?

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                  bravewarriorposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  In my brother's case, Eugene, they're a part of the story he tells as he paints. He never knows what the outcome will be. His muse guides him. His stronghold on our Cherokee heritage has a very solid guide to his hand. It's hard to explain, but nothing he paints is deliberate. He gets a "vision" and goes with it.
                  
                  The few exceptions are when he's commissioned to paint something specific, such as a portrait of someone's dog.

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               Eric Cauncaposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               The painting is beautiful. Why don't you write an article about it?

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   theraggededgeposted 4 years ago

   And Eric was asking which word best described the act of seeing, recognising, perceiving such a 'hidden' image. Not what the images are called.

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      bravewarriorposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Exactly, Bev. There is no word for it.

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      Eric Cauncaposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, that's what I'm asking. Thanks, Bev and Eugene.

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   manatita44posted 4 years ago

   It is your perception. In the words you have chosen, it is the closest, but perception applies to so many things! It is a personal experience for us and perhaps you can call it just that --an experience that you're having, in and through the painting.

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      bravewarriorposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Precisely, Manatita. That's why there is no name for this type of art. Art is subjective. It is a personal experience. When artists embed images within images, they are giving a part of their soul that only the enlightened can see. You have to look beyond the obvious.

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   Kenna McHughposted 4 years ago

   What you see is what you get.
   
   Beth, thanks for the link to OneLook. It's nice!!!

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   Eric Cauncaposted 4 years ago

   This would be the sentence that I want to write. I would like an interrogative sentence for it. This the flag of Ukraine. It represents a wheat field under the sky.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   Do you ‘discern’ an image of the wheat field under the sky? 
   Is this correct? Thank you.

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      theraggededgeposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, without the quotes and 'image' And with the indefinite article.
      
      So, I would write it thus:
      
      Do you discern a wheat field under the sky?
      
      Actually, I'd probably use 'see'. Shorter is nearly always better.
      
      Or even, if you want to get poetical, 'Does the flag remind you of a golden wheat field under a bright blue sky?

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   Eric Cauncaposted 4 years ago

   Thanks, Bev. I would choose the poetical one. Thank you

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