Why was my thread deleted?!

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   JPPI-Stuartposted 15 years ago

   I made a legitimate suggestion in the "Report a Problem or Suggest a New Feature" forum and now my thread is gone.  Why?

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      relacheposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Instead of asking the general forum, where none of us can delete a thread or give you anymore than a guess, why don't you just ask Maddie Rudd (the moderator)?

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         JPPI-Stuartposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Because the name of this forum is "Need Help? Ask here."  Just doing what I thought I was being told to do, but apparently there are a lot of "unwritten rules" here.

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   Mishaposted 15 years ago

   I did not see your thread - but the common problem threads get deleted is outgoing links posted by newbies. Did you have any?
   
   Based on what I see on your hubs and your forum activity I assume your post was not outright spam, was it?

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   JPPI-Stuartposted 15 years ago

   No, it was definitely not spam.  Yes, I added an outbound link, but as an afterthought, which I clearly explained when I added it.  The suggestion was about adding support for Revver videos, and (because I've had people mis-read the site name as R-E-W-E-R instead of R-E-V-V-E-R) I decided to go back and add clarification, and an outbound link to the site to make it easy to go check it out.  I don't own, work at, or speak for Revver.  There was no benefit to me in linking to Revver, other than the very same benefit that would extend to every HubPages user (i.e., the ability to use and earn from Revver-hosted videos if Revver support was added).
   
   Other threads in the forums clearly indicate that Hubs should not be used for one-line introductions to other sites but that this sort of thing is OK in the forums.  Mine was a thoughtful, logically-presented introduction to the idea of supporting Revver videos, and the outbound link was clearly identified as being an edit for clarification.
   
   Deleting my message just because I'm new and had an outbound link in my message -- with no regard to the merit of the message itself -- is asinine at best.  If that's really the case, you can expect my rapid departure from the site because I'm not going to waste my time and effort trying to appease childish or illogical behavior.

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   jimmythejockposted 15 years ago

   Would you by any chance be talking about a site called reVver,considering that you mention it quite a few times in your post.....JIMMY

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      JPPI-Stuartposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Obviously -- and your point?  Am I supposed to say "that site" and "the referenced site" and "the site in question" rather than using their name?
      
      

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         jimmythejockposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         My point is that naming the site as often as you have in your post is a well used spammers ploy, to get the name to stick in the readers mind.....jimmy

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            JPPI-Stuartposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            If you're looking for spam everywhere, you'll surely find it everywhere -- whether it exists everywhere or not.
            
            Oops, I must be spamming "everywhere" because I mentioned it multiple times.
            
            It's called basic English.  I've been writing for many years, and have a pretty good command of it.  My use of the company/site name rather than stilted work-arounds is just good writing.
            
            If you doubt my claimed experience that people will mis-read the site name, do a search on Google Groups for "Veoh Networks: A Strong Rival For Youtube?" -- you'll find a message thread dating back to early 2007 where this exact mistake was made.
            
            There, happy now?  I didn't use the site/company name once in this message.
            
            Good grief... 

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            JPPI-Stuartposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Given that I reached Prodigy level after my third or fourth Hub, and I've had positive comments on my Hubs, implying I'm a spammer is pretty offensive, don't you think?  The forum rules say " personal attacks... will be dealt with swiftly."  Yeah, we'll see.  A legit suggestion gets canned but something tells me that treating me like a spammer will be left in place.
            
            Thanks for making a newbie feel welcome...

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   Mishaposted 15 years ago

   LOL I'm not the staff, I'm a user like you, just hanging out here for a bit longer
   
   Of course this is up to you to take it personally and leave - but I'm pretty much sure this was a mistake - if it really was as you describe it. Shoot an email to team@hubpages.com and have it sorted out.

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      JPPI-Stuartposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      It's not a matter of taking it personally.  I've been interacting in computer-based message forums since the early 1980s, maybe the late 70s.  I have a thick skin -- but a low tolerance for stupidity.   And I do realize you're another user and not staff, so my comment about childish or illogical behavior was not directed at you.  Sorry if it came across that way.

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   Mishaposted 15 years ago

   I think I have enough online experience not to take this comment personally, too
   I just think you need to allow for other than stupidity reason for this mistake - of course if it was a mistake - a lack of resources. Hubpages did not have a dedicated moderator until just a couple of weeks ago, and now she is going through quite a backlog. I can imagine her current workload can cause some mistakes. We are all human, you know Again, I think the best course of action is to sort this out by email.

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      djtphn1posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Misha!!!!

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   Mishaposted 15 years ago

   Hi Honey!!!!
   
   Where have you been? I missed you

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   Maddie Ruudposted 15 years ago

   I think it's about time I stepped in here... in fact, looks like I'm overdue, but this thread is just now coming to my attention...
   
   JPPI, your thread was indeed deleted because it was reported by a reputable community member and appeared to be promoting another site, especially in light of the fact that you have very few hubs yourself.  I apologize if this was oversight on my part, but in general, threads entirely dedicated to touting the benefits of some site or other, especially from a new hubber, and especially when not solicited by a relevant request for advice, do appear to be promotional, and are more likely to be treated as such.
   
   We do ask that you establish yourself as part of the community before you start posting links in the forums, as clearly stated in the Forum Rules, and caution seasoned members to be frugal with their links as well.

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      JPPI-Stuartposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Nonsense, pure and simple.  It was a suggestion for HubPages and it was posted in the "Report a Problem or Suggest a New Feature" forum.
      
      I'm out of here.  And I'm sure you'll pat yourself on the back for running off a "spammer."
      
      Pathetic.

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   Maddie Ruudposted 15 years ago

   That's very strategic quoting you did there, JPPI.  I'm sorry you let a simple misunderstanding throw you off completely.  If you'd read the forum rules, you'd see we advise new hubbers to establish themselves in the community before posting links to avoid this very sort of situation.
   
   If you'd like to cancel your account, send an email with "Cancel my HubPages Account" in the subject line to team@hubpages.com.

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      JPPI-Stuartposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Nice implication that I didn't read the rules, but it's a false implication, because I did read them.  The rules specifically talk about links to, and I quote, "any site that you have a vested interest in promoting, especially using affiliate links."  Neither were the case -- no vested interest and not an affiliate link.  The rules also use the word "recommend" regarding new users establishing a presence on the site before posting links -- not "require."  (I'll admit my mistake in thinking that indications given by the site regarding the value of my contribution here, such as getting into the 90s for my author HubScore with a small handful of Hubs and receiving multiple positive comments on my Hubs, could be considered establishing a presence.)
      
      I prefer to remove all my links on other sites that point to my Hubs before I wipe out my content here, to avoid broken links -- a habit built over a decade of developing Web pages and Web-based applications.  Once I'm done with that, yes, the next step will be to cancel my account.

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         Maddie Ruudposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         It is a recommendation, yes, to "be on the safe side," as the rules state.  If you choose not to follow our "recommendations," I would hope you would exercise some sort of patience should your post be misconstrued.
         
         I'm sorry you feel so defensive as to have to leave the community over a misunderstanding.  Moderation really is nothing personal.  If you have anything further to add to this conversation, please email me privately.  The thread is now closed.

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