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   wildernessposted 13 years ago

   I am writing a hub on travel in Idaho, but am unsure as how to tie it into the hubtrails program.  In particular, the idea of a capstone - one place says use it on the first one I write, another says don't use it, and I can't figure out just what to do.  Help here, anyone?

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   lrohnerposted 13 years ago

   I've been trying to figure out the same thing myself. Will be interested in the answers that you get.

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      wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Well, Ohma designed or helped design the system and wrote a hub on the whole thing, but I still don't get it.  Just dense today, I guess.

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   Cagsilposted 13 years ago

   In recent events occurring and conversations to the topic, I will attempt to help you figure things out.
   
   As for a "capstone" hub- this applies to all 50 states, all provinces and all territories in each country.
   
   If there is already a capstone for that location, then you cannot make another. Your hub would be tied to hubtrail via the keywords/tags.
   
   If there is not already a capstone for that location, then you would insert the "hubtrail capstone" keyword/tag.
   
   To get your hub included, is only required to ensure the keywords.
   
   hubtrail americas  - this keyword is to be tied to my hub, which is for all the USA.
   hubtrail *state name* or *province* or *territory* - this tag is used also.
   
   I hope that helped.
   
   You can view the hubtrail global map:
   http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8& … 6&z=17
   
   The map should have all the latest hubs in hubtrail. If you are unsure about it or have a question regarding a possible error on the map, the Hubber Arthur Fonte should be the person to contact. He is putting up the names and labels on the map.

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      wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      OK, so now I have hubtrail-(americas, united states and idaho) + one for just hubtrails.  I read the instructions as that the americas one only went on a capstone, and that without anything else in Idaho I would need a capstone.
      
      Thanks, Cags - I appreciate it.

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Okay, the tags you should have, just to be sure-
         
         hubtrail americas
         hubtrail idaho
         hubtrail capstone
         
         You can use "hubtrail", but isn't necessary. You can use "United States" as a keyword by itself without hubtrail added to it.
         
         I am connecting all 50 capstone hubs for each state, to my Americas hubtrail hub, when I have all 50 states covered, which I presently do not.
         
         You can add hubtrail capstone - if you wrote about the State of Idaho. If you covered only an area of it, then it is not a capstone.
         
         People write about just specific places inside a state, hence the reason for needing the "hubtrail capstone" for each state, so they can be tied together.
         
         The capstone says it is the hub to go to first about a state, then you can have access through the feed on the capstone, to get to others. You can also visit the website Marissa put up.
         
         http://hubtrailtravelguide.com/
         
         Keywords/tags feeds(RSS) are tied to that site and a couple of others, from a couple of other hubbers.

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            wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Yep - pretty confusing, but I'm getting there.  I have the americas (which I thought was the western hemisphere (continent level), not the USA.  I have the united states, which I thought was the country.  I have Idaho, even though there are no other articles on that state.  I added the hubtrail by itself because someone else did and I didn't think it would hurt.
            
            I do NOT have capstone because my hub is about a tiny part of Idaho, not the entire state.  I may write other hubs about parts of Idaho, and maybe one about the whole state - if I write about the whole I should make it a capstone because there isn't one yet about Idaho.  Correct?  Or should I add the hubtrail-capstone now as you indicate?
            
            And after I write the next 3 hubs about Idaho (that'll cover the state pretty well ) then you can tell me know to link 'em together.  I haven't seen anything at all about that and kind of wondered.  I've been to the site and read Ohma's hub as well as some others, but didn't catch that.  (Wasn't really looking, either, and probably skipped over it.)

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               Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Ohma's hub on Hubtrail
               http://hubpages.com/hub/Hubtrails
               
               Travelespresso's hub on FAQ's on Hubtrail
               http://hubpages.com/hub/World-travel-hubtrail-FAQs

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                  wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, those are the two hubs I used most for my information.  However, travelespresso indicates that I must group my hub under a capstone, while Ohma indicates a single hub should be a capstone, but then that it has changed and should not be, but that it should include the tag "hubtrail" and that it can simply include the "hubtrail-pennsylvania" instead.  He doesn't mention what if there is no Idaho, as in my case.
                  
                  Interestingly, Ohma's hub includes a link to mine now, while travelespresso's does not.  Neither can search for it with "idaho" on the hubtrails website (it is only a couple of hours old).

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                     Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     I find Ohma's Hub totally confusing, she needs to rewrite it to remove all the old information (nobody cares how it used to be), and set out clearly what tags to use NOW.
                     
                     Both Travelespresso's and Ohma's Hub tell people not to use the continent or country tags unless they are writing a capstone. That's not the way it has always worked.
                     
                     At one time, every Hubtrails Hub needed a continent tag, plus a country tag, plus a city or region tag if it was about a city or region.
                     
                     If a Hub doesn't have a continent tag, it won't appear on my Hubtrails website, but I'm assuming Ohma has changed this because it's stuffing up other aspects of the project. That's fine, I only started the website because no one else was doing it originally - I won't bother renewing it when it expires. However that does mean a lot of Hubtrail Hubs are tagged incorrectly.

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                        wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Thanks for the information, Marisa - I think I've got it right now. 
                        
                        Sorry to hear that it will expire one day, though - it sounds like a good idea, and seems to have quite a few people using it.  I would help out with it, but my computer expertise consists of finding the "on" button and I know even less about the net.

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                           Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Wilderness, there are only 158 posts on the site right now, and if people aren't using the continent tag now, I'm not going to get many more.  So the site isn't offering much value, and I haven't got time to manually upload Hubs. 
                           
                           Maybe some other Hubber might like to take it off my hands?

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                              wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Marisa, I completely understand your frustration.  I have been "trapped" in the past into volunteer work where all my fellow volunteers disappeared and the extra work load can be overwhelming.  Rest assured that I really do appreciate your effort, but will totally understand if the service dies a natural death.  Thank you.

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   lrohnerposted 13 years ago

   I must be really, really dense. I have a few hubs that I included the hubtrail-americas, hubtrail-united states and hubtrail-(state name) quite a while ago, and they're still not included in hubtrail. What am I doing wrong?

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I am not sure. I know some people have run into problems with the feeds. Edweirdo did up a good hub about the feeds, if you're interested. Maybe that can help you.

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      rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I think I remember someone saying that if there's over 15 tags, the RSS feed may not pick up the hubtrail tags if they're not included in the first 15 tags.
      possibly Ohma, Marisa or Cags may know more how that works.

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         HubPages RSS feed only works off the first 15 tags setup on the hub. Anything over that amount, HubPages feeds ignore the tags.

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         lrohnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I did read that and made sure they were in the first 15.

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            Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I just had a peek at one of your New England Hubs and while Hubtrail-united states was in the first 15, the other Hubtrail tags were not.

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      wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Irohner, I looked at a couple of your hubs and found two of them on hubtrails by searching for hubtrail-united states.  Other tags were more than 15 down the list.

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      Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      When you say they're not included in Hubtrail, which part of Hubtrails aren't they in?

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         lrohnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I have hubs on Connecticut, Maine, Vermont, Rhode Island and California. So that's Americas, United States and the individual states. What am I missing?
         
         And it looks like I can't reorder tags??? I deleted a bunch of them so that the hubtrail tags would be in the top 15, but when I reinput them, instead of going to the end of the list they go right back to where they were.
         
         Why am I just not getting this?

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            Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            What a bummer.  Have you checked whether the tags work?  I wish HubPages would fix the tag problem!
            
            http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/47258#post1087980
            
            We have to remember Hubtrails isn't an official HubPages project, it was just a bright idea by Ohma that snowballed before anyone really had time to work out the logistics.  That's why it's clunky.

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   jenblacksheepposted 13 years ago

   I thought I understood all this stuff for hubtrails, I guess I left it so long to sort mine out that I forgot again.
   
   I currently have 5 hubs about volunteering in venezuela which are only about a specific part of venezuela that I wanted to add, but as far as I know there is no capstone for venezuela.
   
   From posting on Ohma's hub I was under the impression that I needed to write one hub that tied all mine together but I didn't need to write a capstone one about venezuela as a whole. Is that right?

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You do not need to write a hub to tie all yours together. You only need to use the "links" capsule to tied them together.
      
      The keywords/tags would tied to Americas, because you are hubbing about a place in South America, which is under Americas.
      
      hubtrail americas
      hubtrail venezuela
      south america
      
      Would be good enough to tied it to hubtrail.

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   jenblacksheepposted 13 years ago

   ok, so all 5 hubs were linked to each other anyway, so I literally just have to add the tags 'hubtrail americas' 'hubtrail venezuela' and 'south america' to each of the five?

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      That should do the trick for you.

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         jenblacksheepposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         THANK YOU!!

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            Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            You're welcome.

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