Backlinking and one hand clapping

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   J Sunhawkposted 14 years ago

   A Google wizard came down from the mountaintop recently and gave a reading on proper backlinking. He blasted backlinking farms and paid-for linking. Instead, he suggested going to social sites and sundry other venues and writing original content that will relay relevant and helpful information mirrored by another web site.
   
   So I galloped off to SheToldMe and wrote up a synopsis of my hub page. Dozens of hub pages have suggested this or some facsimile of this. Apparently this earns a backlink to the HubPage. And backlinks, we�re told, is the path to SERP nirvana.
   
   I�m trying to get �proper� backlinking in my sights before I do something stupid.
   
   If I go to 25 social sites and various bookmarking sites, I�ll get 25 backlinks and this will help? I don�t get this. Even if the information you�re relaying is original and helpful, you�re still self-promoting yourself and the Google team apparently looks favorably on you?
   
   Isn�t this gaming the system? Am I reading this backlinking zen correctly?
   
   I also read recently of a hubber ripping out her backlinks because hub pages had penalized her for one reason or another. It would be good to have some clarification by hub page staffers of �proper� backlinking before chasing these chimeras all over the web swamp.
   
   I�m having a �one-hand-clapping� moment.
   
   Thanks

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      J Sunhawkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Good grief! Why are all those little question marks surrounding my words?
      
      Here it is w/o question marks, I hope.
      
      A Google wizard came down from the mountaintop recently and gave a reading on proper backlinking. He blasted backlinking farms and paid-for linking. Instead, he suggested going to social sites and sundry other venues and writing original content that will relay relevant and helpful information mirrored by another web site.
      
      So I galloped off to SheToldMe and wrote up a synopsis of my hub page. Dozens of hub pages have suggested this or some facsimile of this. Apparently this earns a backlink to the HubPage. And backlinks, we’re told, is the path to SERP nirvana.
      
      I’m trying to get “proper” backlinking in my sights before I do something stupid.
      
      If I go to 25 social sites and various bookmarking sites, I’ll get 25 backlinks and this will help? I don’t get this. Even if the information you’re relaying is original and helpful, you’re still self-promoting yourself and the Google team apparently looks favorably on you?
      
      Isn’t this gaming the system? Am I reading this backlinking zen correctly?
      
      I also read recently of a hubber ripping out her backlinks because hub pages had penalized her for one reason or another. It would be good to have some clarification by hub page staffers of “proper” backlinking before chasing these chimeras all over the web swamp.
      
      I’m having a “one-hand-clapping” moment.
      
      Thanks

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         tritrainposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I thought you just had a lot of questions.

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         sunforgedposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         1. Yes, paid/automated = usually bad
         
         2. STME, Is ok - is worth doing for some, in some topics.
         
         3. Not really worth it, social bookmarks have very little benefit and can actually be harmful to your ad revenue if you get lots of looky loos rather than intentional search traffic.
         
         see 'NoFollow"
         
         4. Probably, Whose system? Perhaps the system is the game. What is your intent?
         
         5. Didnt quite read that right it seems, a hubber claimed to be making those steps as a precautionary measure not as a reaction to punitive measure by HP = the step has proven to be  uncalled for, if it even occurred.
         
         6. this is a solid and logical approach from TheLearningcenter
         
         

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            J Sunhawkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            "Perhaps the system is the game."
            
            Something to ponder.
            
            Thanks for the feedback.

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      MyPostingIDposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Nowhere in Google's terms does it state you cannot build your own backlinks.  You'd be hard-pressed to find any rational person with Internet marketing experience to disagree.
      
      Guest posts, social bookmarking, article marketing, blog commenting, and even blog farms are fair game provided content is good and is made for the reader.  Spamming sites is not OK nor are most automation tools.
      
      Buying links is acceptable to a degree according to Google.

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         Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Inaccurate and quite misleading.  I'm not going to get into another pig fight over this, but I strongly advise the OP to thoroughly examine both the articles in the Learning Center (link is at the bottom of every page here) and what Google itself itself has to say about it.  After that, I invite you to Google "SEO code of ethics" and read what REAL SEO firms think about gaming search engines.
         
         Do that and pay no attention to anyone here, including me, until you feel you have thoroughly digested all that.  There is a tremendous amount of misinformation presented here as fact and far too many efforts to confuse and misdirect.

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            MyPostingIDposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Not again
            
            Sigh....
            
            I guess I'll bite - please identify which part is inaccurate and misleading.

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            J Sunhawkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks for the tips. I'll check them out.

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   WryLiltposted 14 years ago

   There is a LOT of controversy about this at the moment.
   
   I believe the site team is currently working on sorting out exactly where it stands.
   
   *Sits and waits for Misha & Pcunix & Sunforged to turn up*

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      Sunny Robinsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      *Same here.*
      
      I'm not even fully sure what is going on since there is such a variation on all of this.  Usually, those three people clear everything up. ;D  Or sometimes make it even murkier.  Hmm.

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      shazwellynposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Oh Heck

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   SteveoMcposted 14 years ago

   This is purely an opinion, I am at the bottom of the learning curve and backlinking is a huge hill before me.  Don't take what I say to the bank, they won't cash the check.
   
   Simple backlinking like the stuff I do, is essential.  Those links generate organic traffic.   Now if you plan to make any money, which I do, you need the organic traffic.
   
   Someone who is not making any money, and has no idea what they are doing should not start paying for backlinks.  Where would the money come from?   
   
   Using social networks, bookmarking sites, and feed registries is a good way to learn about backlinking and testing your backlinking skills.   This is small potatoes compared to some of the big boys.   I try them all and find that I love having one or two visits from backlinks just as much as 50.  For example, Stumble Upon provides me with a few visits per week. I love them for that and it is a one touch deal.  You only have to post your link to them once and then you get random visits from it.   
   
   I do not have a website yet, but I understand that is the way to start building real backlinking visitors.   
   
   None of this is controversial, so you can do a lot before you have to move to more comprehensive backlinking schemes which do seem to be controversial.   This method for me generates about 200-300 visits a day.
   
   The best backlinking for me comes from forums where real people are asking for help and how to do things.   Every time I am able to point to one of my hubs, it generates quite a few visits.     A caution that I have heard, is that you have to avoid just posting links, you have to engage in the conversation and be a part of the community to make it work, otherwise the community will see you as spam.

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   tritrainposted 14 years ago

   Actually, Google's Matt Cutts says all sorts of interesting and supportive things about linkbuilding and SEO, that seem like they could be contradictory and questionable. 
   
   I think some stuff is clearly blackhat, but others are more greyhat, but still "ok".

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   skyfireposted 14 years ago

   

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   alternate poetposted 14 years ago

   As an 'about to start' website and do this for money type - I think I understand that proper backlinks show the 'veracity' or kinda quality of the hub - so if it keys into the broad topic that the hub is within, and then it gets referenced and looked at, then it goes up in 'value' for Google.  SO as I understand it - if I write something that is for say TRAVEL IN CHINA, then link that to many hubs about travel and China - and then link any parts of them to 'popular' or high value sites the Google value goes up.
   
   One hub or web page will be about teaching in China, I intend to link this with a series of hubs about teaching English as a foreign language, linked to articles that I have published in a major newspaper, and hopefully also linked to a couple of Uni sites with a couple of academic papers.  According to my reading of the 'google stuff' this should get me linked all around from travel agencies to Universites.  I am hoping this is about right as I have written a load of junk if it wrong

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   shazwellynposted 14 years ago

   this might be helpful...
   
   http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php … amp;ref=mf

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   thisisoliposted 14 years ago

   I have a hub called the truth about backlinks which might help you out a little!

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      J Sunhawkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I'll check out your suggestion. Thanks.
      
      I noticed you have 13 backlinks going to your profile. I find that interesting. I never thought of backlanking the profile.

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   paradigmsearchposted 14 years ago

   "Backlinking and one hand clapping"
   
   Just wanted to say I loved the topic title.

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    sunforgedposted 14 years ago

    Backlinks can be used to cement a position in the SERPS or help to grow higher in the ranks,
    
    "backlinking" actually nothing is a magic bullet to make money or get seen or gain readers -
    
    on page optimization and proper targetting via keyword selection and titling is the first step - arbitrary and random "backlinks" will do nothing for you if you dont know why you are doing it and for what terms you are hoping to compete.

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