Another reason to let us have two or three sub-accounts

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   Shadesbreathposted 13 years ago

   I know I keep banging this darn "can I just have another name under my main account" thing, but I would just like to point out that I have discovered another reason why we should be able to make 2 or 3 names to write under beyond just convenience and all that.
   
   So I finally broke down and made an account for writing sales oriented hubs because there are things I wouldn't mind writing about (because I care about them) that can make more money through searches than do my stories about asthmatic vampires and me in a kilt drinking scotch and burning up Hobbit towns. (Don't wan't to ruin my "humor brand" with a bunch of boring stuff).
   
   The problem is that HP and other hubbers don't know that the new account is just another account of an existing hubber, so they are treating it like a separate person. One of them has even been nominated for a hubnugget. Honestly, this makes me feel like I am stealing opportunity from genuine new hubbers, pilfering accolades that might really help them get a good emotional start writing for HP. (Losing that hurts HP too.)
   
   To me, that's a pretty good reason to consider letting us have at least 2 and maybe a few names on an account.  It really is about branding.  You HP guys are business people; you get that.

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      Mark Ewbieposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I was wondering about this as well.  Having shamelessly promoted this ID what would I do with my other ID?  It's not allowed to post in the forums (I think), so would it just write sales hubs all day?  And how would it ever get popular / noticed?
      
      I'd feel kind of sad for my sales ID although I suppose I could leave comments saying "what a fantastic hub about rectal thermometers" to cheer him up.  But I suspect eventually the pressure and loneliness would lead to an inevitable end.

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         Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         LOL @ bi-polar you, hubbing and commenting to yourself. And such a tragic end.

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            evvy_09posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            So commenting on your own hub to make it look more important is bad?  Hold on gotta delete a few comments made by 90_yvve

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               saleheensblogposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               another account for self promotion is a TOS violation too. So, its bad.

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                  evvy_09posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Joking, too lazy to have another account    Guess I'm too tired to be funny

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                     saleheensblogposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     

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                  Toby Hansenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Well, yes it is. But everyone knows that there is always sock puppetry going on.

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         Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         But Mark, isn't that the point?  The purpose of your sales ID is to make money.  You don't make money by promoting yourself within the Hubber community - so that sales ID needs to get busy getting links outside HubPages, not within it.
         
         Becoming part of the HubPages community is great - forum chat, feedback and comments keep you motivated, and you can learn a lot from other Hubbers.  But it doesn't make any significant contribution to your earnings.  It's just for fun.

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            Mark Ewbieposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Yes Marisa, it is the point.  A point I have completely missed while amusing myself writing indulgent nonsensical pieces of half truths and wondering why a wider world is not beating down my door, adsense wise.
            
            Still, the fan mail must be worth something - isn't it?

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               Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               For the ego, yes.  Otherwise - nope!

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      Lisa HWposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I had a similar thing with the one other account I have (and one Hub on it so far).  The Hub got a couple of comments from people I kind of know, and I felt like a fraud.  I couldn't answer them because I felt like saying, "Hey - it's me.  Lisa!"   I imagine the only reason the few people who followed me did it because I looked like a new person.  Originally, I started (and still have) the account for the purpose of having a different type of writing on it.  I'm not comfortable with it, though; and I've decided not to have any comment boxes on it (in order to eliminate that particular "inner conflict" for me).
      
      So, if/when I decide to do more with it I suppose I'll make no secret of the fact that I also write under this name.  That kind of defeats my purpose, though.  (I know people do fake names and fake identities - the whole thing - all the time; and I'm OK with a different name, as long as I don't have to interact with someone who kind of knows me.  Then it just gets to be something I'm not comfortable with.
      
      I'm not worried about getting the account to have a decent score or traffic, because what I plan to write on it are likely to be more the "the standard, web-article, fare" for search engines. Still, it will have to be a "silent" member of HubPages who doesn't participate in anything.

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         travelespressoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         These are the same issues that have stopped me having a separate account Lisa. 
         
         I'd like a second (or third) one for branding purposes.  It makes sound business sense but so far am having a difficult time reconciling my thoughts on the matter.
         
         If I did have a new account and I was then welcomed as a newcomer and nominated for a HubNugget it just wouldn't feel right knowing I had so much more (but still not enough ) knowledge and experience here than a newbie.  I'd feel a fraud.
         
         So for me, at present I can't make a decision on it.

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         Baileybearposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         yeah, I had that happen too, but I'm not very active on the other account.  It has a few hubs, but a few people found me there too.  It was possible for them to connect the dots, but I just wanted a more anonymous account that family didn't know about - I'm sure they're already having multiple heart attacks over my deconversion from christianity hubs on this account - I weighed up where to put them.

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   lrohnerposted 13 years ago

   So why don't you just create a hub under your main account where the asthmatic vampires wear kilts and drink scotch while they peddle your products?

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      Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Damn!  Why didn't I think of that?

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         simeonvisserposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Well, I'm wondering this as well? Why are you separating these hubs? Because of different audiences? We now already know that you write sales hubs so you might as well have them on your main account. If HubPages becomes hard to handle when you have too many hubs then the software needs to be changed.

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   Mark Ewbieposted 13 years ago

   I think I understand why Shadesbreath wants to separate accounts. 
   
   Because his main account is a humourist, artistic, creative style - that is the brand.  You visit a Shadesbreath hub you will get a certain thing, and within that account it will be the same kind of good stuff.
   
   This works for the target audience who will be disappointed if they stumble on a straightforward sales hub.
   
   The sales angle is completely different.  I am not sure you can successfully combine humour and sales.  It would seem that selling might be best achieved by a different profile and profile picture - selling the image of a straightforward, honest, hard working, clean living lifestyle.
   
   I'm thinking Martha Stewart, but without the convictions.
   
   Sorry to Shadesbreath for taking liberties and pretending to know his angle, but it's certainly where I feel I am with regards to proper grown up selling.

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      evvy_09posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I feel the same way. I've written (or attempted) a couple sales hubs and afterwards felt like I was cheating on evvy's video game hubs.  I hope to become an gamer expert of sorts who people google to find out about a game they want, but I would like to write about other things too.  But maybe only the main account can participate in forums or comment on other hubs.

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   SunSevenposted 13 years ago

   Getting into the newsletter or the hubbnugget thing can be a big boost to traffic and earnings. Perhaps we should re-invent - re-incarnate in new avatars and get a new life at HubPages!
   
   Best Regards

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   GmaGoldieposted 13 years ago

   As a marketing director, I must shout - Hurray!  Yes, branding is key.  The avatar and the profile must match.  When readers follow, they are following a philosophy, a subject matter.  The brand is key.
   
   Google has succeed to modify its logo to promote many different holidays, countries and events.  It takes a very strong brand to vary from the logo to keep the brand image intake.
   
   Hub Pages would be stronger, IF branding were allowed.
   
   I can see guidelines where only Hubbers over a certain number of Hubs / Hub Score can actively promote and maintain different pen names.  Perhaps, this would be another way of rewarding and motivating them to continue with Hub Pages. 
   
   Hub Pages has great leadership.  I am sure it is simply a matter of time before multiple pen names and avatars are allowed.

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   frogdroppingposted 13 years ago

   Shades you don't need to be incog-neato ... just declare who you are on your (new) profile.
   
   Oh and writing 'by the way it's me' won't do

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      Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It's not a matter of being ashamed of it. The profile is Smart Reviews, and I'm perfectly fine with what I've written on there because it still comes from a place of integrity.
      
      It's just branding. Marke Ewbie got it perfectly right. Because I write only humor or at least entertainment on this avatar, and because I estimate about 8% of the people who "follow" actually do so because they read, those folks are doing so because they enjoy the silly stuff and the funny drawings and sarcasm etc.  For me to write a thing about car safety kits or co-write something with my wife about bread making is not to be ashamed of, but, it is NOT what the 8% who actually like the humor expect or want to read.  It would be like subscribing to the Wall Street Journal and having them fill up pages with romance stories; that's not why you buy.
      
      It's hard enough to establish a writing base in an Internet of noise, and if you do happen to amuse a few people with your style of humor, the last thing you want to do is bore them with a "Hey, you should have an emergency kit in your car" hub or one about making bread.
      
      That's all.  And while I'm perfectly fine with my hubs on that account, I do feel like I have a totally unfair advantage over any new hubber when it comes to getting a hubnugget (for whatever that might get someone). I've been here for two years, been reading great articles on how to make hubs, and, well, you get the rest.
      
      Anyway, would really like to see it happen. Would like to be able to pull my other account into my main too so I didn't have to lose it too.  But, it is what it is.

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         evvy_09posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I just looked at your other account.  Your wife is really pretty but you know that already   Good hubs too

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         frogdroppingposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Oh heck Shades I didn't mean anything by what I said - I just meant you could always link on your new profile to your main account.
         
         I write commercial hubs for the main (now) whereas I didn't when I arrived. I didn't even begin to realise the potential for HP when I joined. That said - I have three other accounts, all purely commercial that I don't link across to my main account. And like you it's nothing to do with feeling ashamed - I gotta earn, simple as that. And there's a lot of earning power on the site - so I use it. It (now) pays my rent, keeps the wolves from my door.
         
         I agree with you about the Hubnuggets thing. I'd feel the same.

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   Abbasangelposted 13 years ago

   I totally agree, branding is key. Because shadesbreath could definitely get a brand and probably (haven't checked) but doubt there is alot of competition on the word Shadesbreath and people can just say oh for random awesome stories you should check out Shadesbreath - How do I find him? I don't know just google it.
   
   I have found my name has little competition and with HP great ratings it did rank fairly high last time I checked.
   
   I don't know if I need another account at this stage or sub account. Managing one is hard enough. I can see that Shades branding might be hurt if he had sales hubs.

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