Have you seen the "Biggest losers" list of so called "Content Farms?"

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   Aware1posted 13 years ago

   These 2 links are rather alarming with testing done to see sites hit the hardest by Google Changes.
   
   First:
   
   http://www.sistrix.com          /blog/985-google-farmer-update-quest-for-quality.html
   
   link above didn't show.
   
   Then check this out:
   
   This one shows a table of percentages of each sites percentage of visibility lost in indexing along with percentage of indexed keywords lost!
   
   http://searchengineland.com/who-lost-in … ange-66173
   
   According to these stats, Hubpages lost ranking positions for 102,820 Keywords (equivilant to 67% of keyword rankings
   
   These are early stats, so things could change.
   
   I also learned on another forum that "EZINE Articles links" just suddenly became "NO Follow" over the weekend.
   
   It is very saddening to hear Hubpages to be labeled a cntent farm. I really only pay attention to some great writers here, I suppose.
   
   What are your thoughts??

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   ryankettposted 13 years ago

   Wow!
   
   Why didn't anybody else think to post this? I mean, it's not like half us haven't seen our traffic smashed to bits.
   
   It would have made a great discussion topic over the past 4 days. Oh wait, that HAS been what we have all been talking about for 4 days.

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      Aware1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I have read a lot of posts complaining about traffic losses, Ryan. Though, I have not read anyone have any insight as to stats other than their personal traffic....
      
      I guess you already know, thanks.
      
      
      Just trying to share some insight of "figures" I came across...

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         ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Ok fair enough, yep these have been shared several times

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   waynetposted 13 years ago

   This is news to me lol!

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      ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Really? Where have you been Wayne, in a cave?
      
      Hows your traffic?

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         waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Ha lol! I knew all about it really! Google always has a habit of changing things. I've been around just been busy on ebooks and my websites and youtube vids too.....
         
         Traffics down 500 views a day but it's stable for now!

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            ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            How do you promote your ebooks Wayne?
            
            And do you produce them on Lulu or Createspace or something?
            
            I intend to move into that area too. Do you make much from them?

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               waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I've been experimenting with ejunkie for now with the $5 a month which you get 50MB space to upload your pdf files, although I've been testing it out with PLR ebooks to test the payment processes and it has an affiliate program too which you can set the rate at which others earn too....
               
               Got my own first ebook out soon, a drawing ebook with original drawings and I have a plan in mind to use youtube videos to promote and also a few ebooks to help promote the paid ebooks as a viral marketing tactic....
               
               And I am also considering createspace too as it's links with Amazon seems to be a good move for digital distribution!
               
               Haven't made much so far, because it's always been on my list to do,so this is the year for ebooks!

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                  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I've been using E-Junkie since November of 2008 and have sold 258 books for a total of $3,222.10 in my pocket, all sold through my own website (except for a few affiliate sales) and I suspect that is far, far better than I ever would have done had I tried to shop this through a publisher.
                  
                  It keeps on ticking, too.

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                     waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     That's good to know!
                     
                     I like the whole idea of it and it's easy to follow to add your files and stuff on Ejunkie.
                     
                     Nice to hear a success story with them, I know the problogger Darren Rowse uses them too.
                     
                     Been with them for a year planning my stuff and possibly wasting some time along the way drawing tattoos for people who didn't really want tattoos in the first place.....

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                  sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Im an ejunkie affiliate and would be happy to spread your links and story around my art sites and social media.
                  
                  I do this as a fan of your content and videos not just an opportunistic git

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                     Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     I'd be happy to do it as an opportunistic git
                     
                     (but am also a fan of your work)

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                        waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Lol, ok that's great too!
                        
                        I'm an opportunistic git too, so it's all good!

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                           Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Well, in all seriousness, I do have a few pages related to art and would happily put a blurb on those - especially as it is very easy as an E-Junkie affiliate.

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                              waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Ok it's a deal then, will let you know when finished....
                              
                              Back to the forum thread at hand....Content farms? Is this old Mcdonalds farm or some farmer we don't yet know about?...lol!

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                     waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     lol!
                     
                     Ebook 1 is nearing completion -  How to draw skulls, variations of skull art. followed by How to draw fantastic fantasy creatures which is 70% complete (ish) also How to draw tattoos to sell is still in the works!
                     
                     Many more in the works too....I'd probably tip the sales % in your favor as I'd want to get more subscribers to my sites, blog and YouTube channel primarily, so will let you know when it's all up and running! Cheers!

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                     lakeerieartistsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Same here Wayne, especially as your stuff is art related.  Please let me know when it is done. 

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                        waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        That's 3 great hubbers interested in flogging some of my ebooks....Cheers LakeerieArtists!

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               Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Take a look at Smashbooks, Ryan.  If you don't want the ability to print the books as well, it looks like a good way to go.  It produces the books in a range of formats to suit different readers, it distributes through Barnes & Noble and it's about to start distributing through Amazon. 
               
               I hadn't looked at E-Junkie, I assumed it was better for internet and IT related stuff.  Must check it out.

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   qeylerposted 13 years ago

   I am so upset about this Google stance because it is one of those "I told you so" things. I write, I edit, I post, I see an error in spelling, edit again, and put out my best work...(yeah I know, you're all nodding your heads, cause you all do that too...)  and although the people I follow are just like that, I had a feeling there were others who were posting crap and all kinds of SEO words so as to get hits for crap.
   
   I kept thinking that without a human moderator something could happen...and now it did. 
   
   There has got to be a human mod somewhere to prevent this.

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      waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      They'd have to be a super mod to moderate all of the stuff that gets posted on here! Leap crap hubs in a single bound!

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      White Teethposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Many of the sites that took a hit had human moderators (Ezines, Buzzle, etc...)

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   sunforgedposted 13 years ago

   nah - the thread is old news.. there are plenty of other open hp threads on the topic already. All with dead discussions along this line.
   
   Your positive non hp/non google search reliant expert based income strategy is way more interesting.
   
   Plus as an American, i dig the accent while watching skulls get drawn

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      waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah the YouTube promotion just seems to be the best thing to do and maybe I can increase the average of 4500 hits a day on youtube and double it or just gain more subscribers and sales of my ebooks and eventually graphic novels.
      
      As for my accent,people have mentioned that they thought I was Austrailian or something and they hear my voice and they're like whoa he's a London gangsta( and I ain't even been to London, not once!!)

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   RedElfposted 13 years ago

   I have a small site dedicated to "art stuff", and would be happy to promote your books, blogs, etc., there too - PC, sunforged, waynet, lakeerie.

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      waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Ahhh cheers now! 5 so far, me included! Makes me feel special, I'll be happy to up your affiliate %'s and anyone else wishing to promote them!

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   SpamLeakposted 13 years ago

   Main reason why Google did this fix so fast and brutal this time is because of the pressure from media.
   
   If not for the negative press, Google won't do it so heavy handily. It's overkill.

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      Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Fast and brutal?
      
      They've been working on this for over a year.

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         Mark Ewbieposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         You could argue fast and brutal in terms of impact.  But actually I'm not going to bother.
         
         I am turning to crystals to get me through this difficult time - healing mystic crystals rather than the methamphetamine sort that is.

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            Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Think of Annie:
            
            "Ta-marrah! Ta-marrah! The sun'll come out ta-marrah!"

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            Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            If you can't smoke it - don't bother.

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               Mark Ewbieposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               You scatter them round the cushions, add a pentagram and take your clothes off.  Oh and draw the living room curtains first.
               
               I'm toying with ideas for a new hub.  Under the new Google I reckon I'll go global with it.

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                  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Yeah - I know.
                  
                  Go with the ones you can smoke. Really.....

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   accofrancoposted 13 years ago

   @wayne, i am working on an article and later a book on African art drawings, i would also love to flaunt your art ebook and youtube links on my to be hubs...for a share..lol, how do you view  that?
   
   To mars with google...its all good, perseverence is the key to any business...have one.

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      waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah! the more the merrier!

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   ryankettposted 13 years ago

   I may as well join the bandwagon and give you a little push too

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      waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      A % of affiliate income has been set aside in advance!
      
      I'd be happy to return the favour and promote your ebooks when they are released as I have a few YouTube accounts on standby one of which deals with Ebook reviews! Cheers!

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         Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         With E-junkie, you pay affiliates at the end of the month.
         
         You do have to remember to do it though!

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            waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah I know! my word is my bond. If anyone promotes anything of mine now or in the future I will payout because that's not fair, had it happen to me with a few dodgy affiliates, so I'll not want to inflict that upon anyone else!

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    2besureposted 13 years ago

    I am shocked eHow was not on the list.  My articles on eHow have not changed.  But about a year ago eHow dumped a lot of sub-par articles.  I guess they knew this was coming.  It would have been rough if two of the site I write for got hit!

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    puter_drposted 13 years ago

    I don't know, my traffic was slightly low this weekend, but google earnings were abysmal. Today for me, traffic is normal as well as earnings.
    
    I feel sorry for the Hubpages moderators today with all the renewed hopping activity. I am sure they have their hands full.

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    Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago

    For the first time ever, I earned more yesterday from Adsense on Triond than Hubpages... And I'm sure we all know how much crap is on Triond.

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