Proposal to HP! Fellow Hubbers Read Carefully! 80-20 Revenue Sharing!

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  1. profile image0
    andycoolposted 12 years ago

    Dear fellow hubbers,

    I’ve a proposal to HubPages for the benefit of all our best quality hubbers. I know here at Hubpages we have a number of good quality hubbers who can write professional quality stuff... right? But why would you going to write here at HP? A lot of most valuable hubbers have left. Some are engaged in their own sites, others are writing somewhere else!

    Post-PANDA HP lost the authority it used to enjoy before… hence there is little difference if you write at HP or if you write at your own site. Many prudent people are doing the latter! Developing your own site has another advantage… its chance of survival depends solely on you, ceteris paribus! Moreover, in your own site you’ll enjoy 100% AdSense revenue!

    On the other hand you don’t know and there’s no way to know in future (beyond one year from now) what would be the status of the content farms! Of course they will be present in the foreseeable future but it’s highly likely the authority they used to enjoy will not return back and there will be no difference between your own site and HubPages or any other content farm for that matter!

    A good business always stays ahead of the curve… HP is far behind so far as quality control is concerned. Mind you, their business and your business as an individual writer are different as a business model. Let me explain:

    If one good quality hubber leaves HP and instead 20 others join they will not lose anything significant in the short run. The loss from that quality hubber will be more than offset by the 20 new hubbers. And if you arrange competitions with ridiculous prize money to attract more writers your business will survive in the short run, which is quite understandable! But in the long run what will happen, when all your good quality hubbers are gone and you’re left with only amateurs.

    Fellow hubbers, will you still invest in such a business? Or will you start to develop your own site? I raised a topic in the forums a month back, “Is HubPages Dying?”

    Most of you thought I’m a villain! But I know the truth and I did it for a purpose, for the good of all our fellow hubbers! I knew the doomsday is just there in front of us! You did never believe me… you thought everything will be OK as before! And I knew that the business of the content farms is in bad shape unless they distribute at least 80% of the ad revenues to their writers! I posted it that day because I knew I’ll post the proposal today for the benefit of ours! But before that I’ve the task to convince you guys, my fellow hubbers!


    Fellow hubbers just think about it and if it sounds reasonable to your ears please leave a comment supporting the proposal. Please remember things will not change overnight but if we continue to demand this HP will be compelled to consider it someday!

    Thank you,

    1. 2besure profile image80
      2besureposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You seem to pretty much have all the answers.  Why don't you start your own revenue sharing site and give your writers 80/20?

      1. profile image0
        andycoolposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Hey 2besure will you join my site? BTW if HP announces tomorrow the 80-20 model won't you be happy?

        Where the mind is without fear and the head held high... a Nobel Laureate wrote!

  2. Haunty profile image75
    Hauntyposted 12 years ago

    Andy, HubPages is not as well-off in terms of profitability as you might think. The cost of running the site is simply too high.

    The loss of a quality hubber is not offset by 20 new arrivals. Plus such a change will not bring that many more sign-ups.

  3. R-J-T profile image61
    R-J-Tposted 12 years ago

    The cost of running HP is a lot of money. If they switched to a 80-20 share that would be the end.

    The best thing they can do is keep the 60-40 split and concentrate 100% on stopping spam content from entering the site.

    1. Glenn Stok profile image95
      Glenn Stokposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I totally agree with this. That is the most important thing. But in addition to that HP should have some help pages describing how to recognize poor quality hubs that need to be flagged.

      HP introduced the new flagging reasons recently, but I am surprised to see good Hubbers leaving positive comments in poor quality hubs, even hubs that are obviously spun? How high-score Hubbers find value in spun Hubs, I'll never know.

  4. White Teeth profile image60
    White Teethposted 12 years ago

    If they were concerned with people leaving, then they would stop f’ing over people. But they haven’t. It’s not clear that revenue share would make a difference to the people leaving. And if your argument is true that getting 20 new writers for each experienced writer leaving is all they have to do to keep making money, then it makes no sense for Hubpages to offer a higher revenue share.

    Sunforged made the observation a few days ago that Hubpages is becoming a writer’s mill. A steady flow of new writers is all they need.

    1. Mrvoodoo profile image57
      Mrvoodooposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      'If they were concerned with people leaving, then they would stop f’ing over people. But they haven’t.'

      ^ That pretty much sums up the current situation.

      1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image83
        Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I'm definitely irritated with the "pixelated image" thing, they seem to unpublish my hubs as fast as I can "repair" them.  Other than that - I'm still cool with this site.

        1. Mrvoodoo profile image57
          Mrvoodooposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          That's pretty much my issue too.  Barely a day has gone by for the last month where I haven't woken up to a couple of unpublished hubs.  I can deal with the loss of traffic/earnings, that can happen on any website.  But the fact remains that I could spend the next year writing a couple of hundred new hubs, only to find that at the end of the year, HP suddenly decides to change the rules again, and unpublishes them, without warning.  Making for a lot of wasted time, and effort.  It just doesn't seem worth the risk. 

          It might sound harsh, but in the space of a month. HP has gone from one of my most trusted sites.  To a web presence, I now rank alongside the likes of Kontera, and Helium. hmm

    2. profile image0
      andycoolposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I know that "A steady flow of new writers is all they need." But that will not sustain in the long run... when it'll be well established that experienced people are in mass exodus new signups are bound to drop. That's common sense, but with 80-20 revenue share they would be able to stop the mass exodus (which is yet to start in full swing) and it will encourage new signups (serious people) too! A win-win situation for both hubbers and HP! smile

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I doubt very much that an 80-20 split would stop any mass exodus.  If I am unwilling to adapt and take steps to increase my traffic it would take around a 130 - -30 split (give me all the adsense plus more) to put my earnings to where they should be.  Anything less will still leave me at a loss.

        Therefore, I shall have to adapt and find the new strategies to gain traffic or move on to something else. 

        Win-win?  Not likely!  A 50% loss of income to HP (from 40% to 20%) over the tens of thousands of hubbers here will not be made up by new signups anytime in the near future.  In addition, new (serious) people will not join when HP is still full of scammers and spammers - that means deletion of more writers, hubs and income before "serious people" will be happy to join.

  5. Will Apse profile image90
    Will Apseposted 12 years ago

    It seems to me you have nothing to contribute to this site, andycool. Bizarre and unfounded speculation is certainly not a contribution.

    Thank you,

    1. profile image0
      andycoolposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." - George Bernard Shaw

      1. psycheskinner profile image81
        psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        But you are asking the Hub Pages world to adapt itself to you--apparently without a good understanding of their business model.

        Adapting yourself to the world would be working out how to make money off hubpages, or going somewhere else in the world where money making is easier.

        (I can't speak for people who have left, but I am making more from the new hubads than I was pre-Panda from adsense. I am not sure how Hubpages is f'ing anyone).

        1. Garrett Mickley profile image70
          Garrett Mickleyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          The new hubads is great.  Tripled or quadrupled my CPM from Adsense.  I don't need 805 adsense, I'm happy with the new HP ads!

      2. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image83
        Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Hats off!  That's a great quote, and a perfect response.

  6. classicalgeek profile image82
    classicalgeekposted 12 years ago

    Each site has benefits and detriments. You have to weigh the relative merits of each site and decide which is best for you. I write articles at HubPages because the layout and options are beneficial for some types of articles which do not fare as well at other sites. I write for some sites with 90% revenue share, some with as little as 50%. It all depends on what I want that article to accomplish.

  7. Glamorously Jacob profile image60
    Glamorously Jacobposted 12 years ago

    I like HubPages a lot. In fact, I'm shutting down my blog of 2 years and migrating all my content to HP because I got tired of maintaining a blog.

    I want to focus on writing and writing alone--I don't want to maintain the backend of a website or deal with advertisers. HP does all that for me and the revenue split I feel is fair.

    There are spammers and scammers here, and I"m doing my part to flag those individuals and their hubs when I see them, and if all the quality writers on HP would continue to do the same, I think this product has a lot of promise.

    I am a new writer of only 3 weeks and plan to make it to the top before the end of the year.

    It's all what we make it at the end of the day!

    1. earnestshub profile image82
      earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You sound like you have a pretty good handle on being fair minded about it.

      It's not just hubpages who have copped the hit, some big companies have lost up to half their traffic and are hiring writers to change their content.

      1. Glamorously Jacob profile image60
        Glamorously Jacobposted 12 years agoin reply to this


        1. Rosie2010 profile image68
          Rosie2010posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Hi Jacob, welcome to Hubpages!  You and your hubs are a breath of fresh air here on Hubpages.  We need more new hubbers like you.  Your positive attitude is appreciated.  Best wishes

          1. Glamorously Jacob profile image60
            Glamorously Jacobposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Awww, thanks Rosie! I'm so glad to be here! smile


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