How Much of a Hub Can be Copied from Your Other Hubs?

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   Mutiny92posted 12 years ago

   I notice that there is another tactic to get a lot of content published:  reuse content from your other hubs.
   
   In particular, http://hubpages.com/search/include:hubs … protection
   
   The titles and parts of a couple of paragraphs are changed, but everything else is reused. 
   
   If this is an ok tactic, please let us know.  I was under the impression that the copy-check would prohibit these.
   
   Thanks!

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      Mutiny92posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      They are also copied from (or to) http://spam-emails.info/
      
      https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=% … p;filter=0

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      Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I would definitely flag them. It is not allowed.

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         Mutiny92posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         UW:  I am not too sure...This hubber is 4 years old and has 1M+ views.  It also has passed HP's copied hub filters, I suspect.

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            Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Maybe she has been flying under the radar of Hub admin. It's kind of ridiculous if you can use exactly the same content over and over.

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               Mutiny92posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Its possible that the copying started after the account was highlighted a few years ago:
               
               http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/1471#post6739

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   Mutiny92posted 12 years ago

   It looks like a lot of copying is going on.
   
   http://hubpages.com/search/%22+“My+do … lergies%22
   
   And, from another part of the same hub:
   
   http://hubpages.com/search/Poultry+by-p … centrated.
   
   Simply copy and paste various parts of hubs for quite the variety!

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      IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      How does she get away with this when sunforged, one of the best site writers, gets his great hubs pulled?

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         Mutiny92posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Izzy, I do not know.  I wish the management would take a look at the priorities they are communicating to the honest hubbers out here.
         
         I suspect that these authors with troubling hubs are more of a risk to the site than Josh...Placing them on probation is an interesting approach, especially since most of them aren't publishing under those names anymore.  Its a non-punishment.  They are still allowed to earn income from their junk hubs, but SF is not....
         
         These questionable authors sure don't meet high quality standards or leave readers with a good user experience that Google posited in their questions to webmasters.  But, it appears that my opinion is in the minority.

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            IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Your opinion is certainly not in the minority. I suspect most of the forum posters left on HP at the moment are newbies, who don't feel they have the right to express an opinion, one way or the other, because they do not know the 'characters' here. I understand that.
            
            Someone posted on another thread, or maybe more than one person, that HP should put some kind of exclusion into their filters for hubbers with a high hubberscore.
            
            The vast majority of spammers here on HP, and that includes the person whose hubs you highlighted, have lower hubberscores.
            
            AskSusanPeters has a hubberscore of 67. Software is in place to see who are genuinely good hubbers and those who aren't.
            
            I completely understand why HP would not want to remove those hubbers who are bringing them in money. They are a business after all.
            
            But, hey come on guys, a little respect.
            
            It works both ways, you know.
            
            I think we have all got the utmost respect for HP, for its staff, for the way they make hubbers feel welcome and part of a community and not just a business.
            
            As far as I can see, the best way to resolve the ongoing problems, is to offer a one to one service to hubbers with a score of, say, 90 or over.
            
            Allocate a member of staff, say Simone, because she is a real 'people person', to pacify each hubber with a specific issue.
            
            This 'email team' business is not working. the staff are snowed under and don't reply, although to be fair, they have republished all my non-compliant hubs within hours of unpublishing, so far.
            
            I wrote and asked if it was OK to write a hub about a certain topic that is viral just now, even though I am pretty certain Adsense are OK with the wording, I wanted to hear it from the staff before I went to the effort.
            
            I did a blurb about it on xobba.com and it's been doing well.
            
            I waited 10 whole days and never got a reply, so I wrote a blog about it instead.
            
            The hits I am getting are phenomenal! So, sorry, HP's loss.

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               Norah Caseyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Unfortunately, that is not the case. The HubScore algorithm is great, but it is not perfect and cannot replace a reasonable human being. While reviewing profile flags last night, I found several accounts with high Author Scores that contained only spun content.
               
               
               
               I'm not sure when you sent this email, but our last email from your HubPages profile was sent to us in mid-April. It is always best to use the email diverter to contact us. I apologize for the confusion this may have caused.

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                  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I just checked my sent email folder and it was sent on the 9th of May. Thanks for your thorough reply. I am shocked that some top hubbers are spinning their content, but you must admit that is serious compared to having a mildly pixelated image.
                  
                  What is the email diverter?

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   Paul Edmondsonposted 12 years ago

   We try and be cautious with our dupe checker.  At the very beginning of HubPages we didn't track duplicate content. To be fair, many Hubs are copied after they are published on HubPages. We didn't want these Hubs to be unfairly marked as duplicates. 
   
   At the same time, we are continuing development on the dupe checker and think we'll see some really good improvement to catch some of the items in this thread.

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      Mutiny92posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I appreciate the comments Paul. 
      
      I hope there is discussion on priorities.  The hubbers that are given a "hall pass" (by being put on probation) are the ones who bring in a lot of views and money but are acknowledged to have pretty lame hubs.
      
      The onus is placed on the community to flag each and every one of their thousands of hubs to be reviewed...the benefit of the doubt is given to let THEM stay published and earn money. 
      
      This says to the hard-working folks, that spam, copied, "disingenuous website review" and low-quality hubs are not as big of a deal as unrelated links, the 50/1 rule, or other violations that DO warrant immediate unpublishing. 
      
      This seems to fly in the face of the two communications from Google to 1) remove low-quality content; and 2) ask yourself the 23 questions relating to good user experiences on your site.
      
      Unfortunately, HP's actions give mixed messages. 
      
      How long should we take out of our day to flag hubs of known mass-violators?  (if WE know they are bad and YOU know they are bad, why not address it yourself instead of telling hubbers to keep flagging their hubs?)  How many flags/moderation actions does one hubber need before the burden of cleaning up their crap is put back on THEM? 
      
      How many man-hours will be saved if an email was sent to the mass-violators to tell them they have XX days to clean up their hubs or else all their hubs will be unpublished?  When they want to resubmit compliant hubs, it will need the approval of a moderator?  How many man-hours would be saved?  Is that fair to the violator?  Is that fair to the community who is working hard to help?
      
      We could be writing good hubs and earning money for both you and us instead of flagging hubs that we BOTH know are bad.

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         IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Where's the like button? Well said!

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            Mutiny92posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            thanks Izzy...I feel like I'm fighting windmills though.

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         Mutiny92posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Kudos to the HP staff for taking action on the account of the worst of these offenders!

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   Twenty One Daysposted 12 years ago

   Just a weird thought. There a way to set a Timestamp of when the Hub is published and use it to determine duplicate content on or off site. Even if updated, the time stamp or publishing date can be set to non-current...
   
   I know tracing/tracking dupe content is tough, given the nature of paragraph structuring, externally. internally, it is a pretty basic check, when the writer c-p's the content from one article to the next. A nice ditty would be a warning of this or a "can't publish yet, check the content"... Still, if I post a recipe for BBQ Ribs that comes near another, it could cause a problem too. Hmm.
   
   ...Sorry, just typing aloud...
   
   James

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      Simone Smithposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Hey James!
      Yeah, we actually do that already- the timestamp thing.  Though of course, as you point out, it always gets more complicated than that.

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   Mutiny92posted 12 years ago

   yikes - three HP staffers replied...I'm not sure if I should be flattered, or if I am screwed...
   
   ;-)

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