Fair Use, Quality Hubs and Personal Quality Control Checkers
- Iðunnposted 16 years ago
0Dam you got in before me Jimmy....... I'm just not quick enough.......
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That would be more believeable if it weren't actually stated in print under others's names that they had actually flagged them because it was AWESOME. I would suppose some just catch the filter, others are turned in.
Well, since it grew out of the thread I took active part in, I guess I have to take sides here.
Original question there was "Is the hub consisting solely of copied and pasted news article considered a duplicate content?"
And my answer was - Yes. And it is still - yes, when we are talking about *single* article. Idunn hubs never have single article, they have several bits of several articles, and in this case the answer is - No, it is not a duplicate content from search engine point of view. I leave the question of plagiarism to those who understand it - I don't.
So, in short - I'm with Idunn on this, and I am extremely disappointed. I only hope this is a mistake, but considering info given in this thread, mistake is a really remote possibility
- Iðunnposted 16 years ago0
- Iðunnposted 16 years ago0
very possible
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yeah, I sold myself out as the 'great evil' that I am.
look, if gamer had just flagged them, as it appears to me she usually does, how would I even know? she made it public, she wanted it public. you seemed to want it public. now it's public.
so I ask you again, are you happy with your results? Well I will not pronounce names , but the "Thumb Downs" are practiced , I am convinced. And those that do this disgusting stuff should be penalized. They know who they are !
It is a forum an I don`t think I am allowed to give out names and make them dirty , but people should stop lying around Hubpages and we should be a community not ... "X" and "X" have the best hubs and the others just don`t know anything about hubbing. And one more thing I own blogs that are way better than the ones I have seen being promoted here so stop showing off those who dare to put a worthless blog on their profiles. Everyone has a word to say and I don`t think we should critic so much , and thumbing down hubbers and crawling their hubs should be stopped and the managing team should get those users banned. And iounn I am pretty convinced a lot of hubs have copied content as I have done a little bit or search on the mains engines 
And please consider this "Copied hubs can have a low hub score" , but some of them can be successful 100 hubscore , it`s matter of how you promote it. But lets just not bother with these people that are saying they are here for writing , they copy paste a lot of content , and of course as many of us know they are only for the money. Anyways I dont think so far there are people that earn more than 500$ a month from here , and trust me there are ways to make 500$ easily doing freelance work and even 1000$ or more , so let`s be happy and not try to thumb down other people`s hubs or trying to show off around here .. It`s not the way to do it .. we ... all hubbers get traffic , our articles are read worldwide , not only by hubpages users !
All the best and lets all try to maintain a nice and pleasant place to come back , "Hubpages" , every time we do it.- Iðunnposted 16 years ago0
Whitney I enjoy reading a lot of your hubs "When I do Have Time" , but no one should be threating other members here.
"People get into big trouble when they write business write-ups and grad papers for copying and pasting". I will comment this one a bit , greatest bloggers have never copied content , well this is not illegal trust me I don`t think there are any strict rules on not copying content online , as long as you rewrite the article , but that`s not what I wanted to say. Greatest bloggers and money making book publishers got to sell their "Garbage" to a lot of people because they knew how to promote it the right way and maybe pushed some money into some god knows who`s pockets. I don`t like giving out names but I some real information about great bloggers that haven`t done anything than just selling lies. Agree with me on that?
Check out "The rich jerk" .. what do you guys think of him? I might be wrong but these people.... and I hate saying this phrase "Make money telling others how to do it the easy way" , but they don`t know how to make money themselves (Not all of them). One true blogger bought a house from 6 months of blogging .. "Do you think you are not able to do it" ... "My answer is yes everyone can do it if he enjoys what he`s doing. Read stuff about Google`s founders they have never complained of being tired in all these years... we all have a chance trust me
I love all hubs on Hubpages! But only read what interests me! That`s the difference. Sorry if I upset anyone here with this very message I don`t like to critic as I do critic myself enough , always want to improve my work
All the best!- Iðunnposted 16 years ago0
pla·gia·riz·ing
pls- Iðunnposted 16 years ago0
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You are standing pretty good so far. Reasonable, but firm
- Iðunnposted 16 years ago0
I am not going to sink into another forum argument, I've been dipping into being mean at counterpunch again and I told myself I wasn't going to do these things.
I marked (if memory serves, I've slept since then) three of your hubs as duplicate content, because your hubs consisted of two or three paragraphs quoted from a news article, then perhaps a sentence or a short paragraph of your own content.
I believe I've only thumbs downed one of your 'news hubs,' and that was because it had very very little in the way of original content.
Now, as for anything else having been said, insults toward me and the like, I will resort to the same answer I've decided upon in regard to the one CP and I clashed in: - treseroposted 16 years ago0
Whitney05,
You are completely and utterly wrong regarding plagiarism. It CAN NOT be plagiarized if it is cited, period. A piss-poor job, not worthy of reading, yes. A failing grade for not showing knowledge of facts and understanding of the subject, yes. Plagiarism, absolutely not.
Plagiarism is an academic offense which has serious consequences, (i.e. termination, loss of tenure, dismissal from school, and etc.) and should not be bandied about lightly.
I won't comment on the usefulness of the articles in question, but plagiarism is not an issue.
Oh, my credentials, I am a university professorThank you. I'm not trying to pass your class, and you made my point exquisitely. I actually quite enjoyed this post.
Quite right. I did a hub on a painting, and to put the scene in context, took a chunk out of the Gospel of Mark. I got a low score and a red warning and was asked to resubmit.
I removed the chunk, substituted a link for it and resubmitted my hub. And lo! the hub's score shot back to the score I was used to seeing.
- Iðunnposted 16 years ago0
I think we have maybe a bit of a faked death fat girl thing. Did it piss ya off I caught her? You buds with her?
I think we also have a case of selective reading. Now this one below includes a bloody shakespearean sonnet ON SUBJECT I personally wrote. How about you write us one, maybe a nice piece on Jackilyn or Jaelyn or Joslyn or Joshalyn or Jadalyn or whoever's next fake death. Now if you look underneath what you might find is a 20 paragraph freaking ESSAY written by moi that covers the attached news. Also collected, related news and Bible quotes that quite literally took me hours to put together.
Now sometime I do that and sometimes I don't. This is not my J O B. I am not trying to pass a course, however, if I were, I'd get that A since I graduated that 3.8 Magna cum Laude. I am not being paid enough to take two weeks to write an essay for each Hub and it's a whole lot of none of your business.
You have just been told that it's pretty nasty to go around accusing people of plagarizing, yet you seem to have a learning problem and return to repeat it. Do you need a tutor? $20 a hour and I'll see if I can help you with conceptual thought processes and/or minding your own business.
http://hubpages.com/hub/homelessness_in … espearean7
homelessness in america - a shakespearean sonnet in iambic pentameter77
By Iðunn
target audience
this will doubtlessly appeal to the vast sonnet-loving population in America who are also Catholic socialists.
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Bush-lined streets
these Bush-lined streets have now become a home
for elderly, disabled, kids and more
the disenfranchised now are less alone
soon joined by those who come back from the war
new millions of americans despair
while other millions claim to be devout
no nests or dens will GOPers share
but grab a profit while they kick men out
they say a hammer used to be a tool
to build the homes where sons of men can rest
but now men use those hammers as a rule
to crucify their neighbor and their guests
...they make sure all their neighbors go without
...and if their soul offends, they pluck it out
Matthew 8
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?bo … version=31
18When Jesus saw the crowd around him, he gave orders to cross to the other side of the lake. 19Then a teacher of the law came to him and said, "Teacher, I will follow you wherever you go." 20Jesus replied, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head."
Ahem
Gap widens for minimum wage, rent
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/artic … bz05a.html
The annual report "Out of Reach" by the National Low Income Housing Coalition found, as in the past, that there is no place in the country where a worker at a full-time job at the $5.15-an-hour federal minimum wage can afford an apartment.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/ … 2185.shtml
AP) The cost of rent and utilities for a typical two-bedroom apartment has increased more than a third since 1999, making such housing unaffordable for anyone earning minimum wage, according to a study by an advocacy group for low-income housing.
A worker must earn at least $15.21 an hour to afford the average cost of $791 per month and have enough left for food and other necessities, the Washington-based National Low Income Housing Coalition said Monday. Five years ago the average cost for housing and utilities was $576.
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U.S. housing costs up, while real wages decline
http://www.themilitant.com/2005/6903/690351.html
More and more working people in the United States are unable to meet basic living costs, according to two recently published studies. The reports highlight the increasing grind on working people as rent, medical insurance, food, and child-care costs increase, while real wages-that is, the purchasing power of workers' pay-have declined.
Washington's Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) sets "affordable" rent at equal to or less than 30 percent of a renter's income. According to a study published in December, a worker today would need to earn $15.37 an hour in order to afford the average two-bedroom apartment in the United States.
The report, published by the National Low Income Housing Coalition, says that in only four out of the 3,066 U.S. counties can a worker making minimum wage afford a one-bedroom apartment by the federal government's standards. In the 991 counties where 80 percent of the nation's 36 million renter households are concentrated, a worker making the state's minimum wage would need to work an average of 80 hours a week in order to afford the rent on the average two-bedroom apartment....
Homeless in America
Poor People's Economic Human Rights Campaign
The Poor People's Economic Human Rights Campaign is committed to uniting the poor across color lines as the leadership base for a broad movement to abolish poverty. We work to accomplish this through advancing economic human rights as named in the Un
Homelessness in America: The Unmet Need to Belong
outstanding photo essay of homelessness in america
photo by Gerald L. Campbell - Cincinnati Searching the Dumpster (link provided above)
The Housing Bubble
I used to think I was rather good at math, but clearly I'm as dumb as a rock. I don't understand the new math as it applies to housing and wages in the current U.S. economy.
I live in a small rural town in Texas where average wages for workers is approximately $7 an hour. Obviously business owners, college professors and so forth make more, but most people are just folks who work on assembly lines, or are waittresses, hairdressers, work at video rental shops and stuff like that... ordinary jobs.
Rent in this city has doubled over the last 3 years from $350-$450 for pretty much run-down housing, common low-status apartments, to about $600 a month - while wages have remained stagnant.
Here's what I want to know.
If an average worker in this town has an after tax income that is less than rent at a 600 sq ft house with holes in the floor and termite-eaten windows, then how are they supposed to live?
I'm too stupid to understand how they do it.
See, I remember an America where a low-paying job provided rent and bills and food on whatever lowly scale. I remember single families living in single family housing. Either my memory is incredibly flawed or things have changed. If my memory is flawed and the lower working class was always like this, why did anyone ever think America was so great, because to me this is very third-worldish to have large groups of Americans working at even a few dollars over minimum wage not earn enough to even pay rent.
What I see now are groups of disparate (and desperate) people bunched up in clumps in housing. I see apartments in Ft. Worth that accept credit cards to pay rent. Why should anyone working 40 hours a week have to pay rent on credit? Am I the only person that finds this, at best, alarming??
People having to use 90% of their income to pay rent is not good for the economy. In the 'old days', people could pay rent, bills and food. If one got raises (which existed and were relatively substantial) from staying at the same job (which was possible), they could spend their extra income eating out, going to movies, buying clothes, getting haircuts and so forth. In other words, they spent that money in the economy and this kept small and large businesses healthy.
Now we all know that many big (multinational) corportations now get at least 50% of their sales from overseas, so they don't really care a lot whether the American working man can purchase their products. Sales of products isn't really how they produce income anyway... it's all mergers and investments and other forms of gambling and playing with the stock market. When these people do well, it looks like the American economy is thriving. But it's not. Not for most Americans, who are rapidly losing ground.
And who is this "other" America. You have small businessmen who can't outsource their restaurants, hair shops, video stores, bars and so forth. If the average person is less and less able to spend money on un-outsourceable goods and services, these people are in some serious trouble.
And who is profitting from this? The people who have turned housing in the U.S. into some sort of Ponzi scheme and the extraneous property owners who say "well, if this is the common market price for rent now, I should raise mine".
If wages have to rise so that workers can pay rent, then the small business owners take another big hit in order to sustain property owner's greed.
If they don't rise, what's next? Tent cities? Hobo camps? Prison for profit (and that hits the ordinary tax-payer too)? Where do you put these people who work 40 hours a week and can't live anywhere? What happens when small businesses that depend on the disposable income of the average American fail? Will they too take a job that doesn't enable them to pay rent? Then what? Jail them too for being homeless?
Who's left? A few property owners in a Ponzi scheme? What happens when the scheme tops out and disintegrates with no real income or money to back it up?
You Republicans who are good at the new math explain to me how any of this is good for America, Americans, and how the average person in my town is supposed to support themselves.
Links:
Ponzi schemes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
Now technically, the housing bubble isn't a Ponzi scheme, but the difference is neglible in effect. From the source:
A bubble. A bubble relies on suspension of disbelief and an expectation of large profits. But it's not the same as a Ponzi scheme. A bubble involves ever-rising (and unsustainable) prices in an open market (be that shares of a stock, housing prices, the price of tulip bulbs, or anything else). As long as buyers are willing to pay ever-increasing prices, sellers can get out with a profit. And there doesn't need to be a schemer behind a bubble. (In fact, a bubble can arise without any fraud at all - for example, housing prices in a local market that rise sharply but eventually drop sharply because of overbuilding.)
The only reason anyone can even buy houses at these prices is because of ARM and other unrealistic credit practices that REQUIRE the immediate sale of acquired property. This cannot last. This will not last.
Some commentary from an article on the housing bubble:
link
Nickname: Neil
Review: The median price of homes sold in December 2005 dropped by $75,000 as compared to November, 2005. Houses in this county lost about 12% of their value in one month! In the San Francisco Bay area, the median house declined by $25,000 in the same period. These are facts, the housing bubble will be much more destructive than the .com bubble/bust/crash. Recently, the Santa Barbara Realtor's Association stated that they will no longer make their housing sales reports available to the media. If that doesn't raise a few eyebrows, you guys need to get a catscan. Recently, the 5-year treasurey notes had higher interest rates than the 10-year bonds. This is called inversion and has preceded all of the past recessions and is one of the most reliable indicators there is. And to top it all off GDP fell off last quarter--the most since the last recession. Welcome to the Great Depression Part 2. Date reviewed: Jan 31, 2006 2:49 PM
Nickname: Sven
Review: What is disturbing? I am no economist or financial expert. All I know is how home prices affect me. I live in Ventura County, CA where the median price of a home is just north of $600,000. The median household income is right around $63,000 (lot of LA and SB commuters). I am a divorced single father of two and I make around $55,000 a year (subtract health insurance costs), just shy of the median income. I am a professional and would figure I might be able to afford a condo or townhouse. Yeah right! I can't even afford a two bedroom apartment. LOL. I am barely able to afford a studio! So I dare ask the question, who the heck is buying these homes and how in the world can they afford them? Date reviewed: Dec 2, 2005 7:23 PM
Nickname: Jonstreiker
Review: House prices should be in lockstep with incomes generated from anything other than the housing industry. Companies have--and plan to continue--to reduce expenses from labor. Home prices have only been propped up by new, jack-easy credit practices and unreasonably low interest rates. Today's "creative" loans are simply ways of getting out of real-world, loan payback. Balances don't come down fast enough. Individual & investor swapping frenzies are money in a circle. It will come when real-world payback (mostly in the form of first-time buyers with an income other than the housing & mortgage industry) would have to happen. And, today's (and tomorrow's) free enterprise corporations have NO intentions of "creating jobs" to be nice. Real money to fund the overprice housing scene does not and will not exist. Prices will have to come down. Investors & stretched buyers will fall into foreclosure. Values will plummet. America will see deflation. Date reviewed: Aug 2, 2005 6:08 AM
Nickname: Steve B
Review: The housing bubble is about to pop soon, and the effects on us all will be gigantic. This bubble is worldwide. Some places in the US have gone completely insane. In Silicon Valley, people have never recovered all their jobs after the dot-com bubble burst, but housing prices have just approached an all-time high. In Los Angeles, I have friends that are spending over half a million dollars for houses in bad neighborhoods that they have to be ashamed of. Who will pay for all of these houses when 10% of our jobs are outsourced, and many retirees sell off their 4-bedroom house because they do not need all four bedrooms anymore now that their children have grown up. Where is the next generation that can afford over half a million dollars for a simple house? The next generation is getting their jobs outsourced!! No one will be there to pay for overpriced housing!!! Date reviewed: Jul 18, 2005 7:36 PM
Republicans, you explain to me how "Sven" the programmer is a low life scum who just isn't working hard enough or smart enough to make it when obviously anyone can in this "thriving" U.S. economy under Bush.
NLIHC: Out of Reach, 2005
Despite the emphasis on homeownership and the marginalization of renters, renter households still make up fully one-third of the households in the United States – nearly 36 million households. Out of Reach is a side-by-side comparison of wages and re
I caught this last week on CNN
Dobbs: Fighting?back in the war on the middle class - CNN.com
"War on the Middle Class" is the title of my new book and our special report on CNN. Wednesday we broadcast live from the front lines of this all-out war, and we talked to American families facing the tough issues that are all but being ig
This Documentary was brilliant as well
August In The Empire State - Billionaires For Bush [2006]
August in the Empire State is a film about division and defiance at the 2004 Republican National Convention. Following three outspoken individuals, the film captures the climate of conflict, confusion and confrontation that gripped New York City in t
On the Lighter Side
Below are a couple of good links for poetry structure.
Dummies - Writing a Sonnet
clear concise instructions
lyric poetry: Information from Answers.com
lyric poetry Lyric poetry is a form of poetry that does not attempt to tell a story, as do epic poetry and dramatic poetry , but is of a more personal...
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Drax says:
16 months ago
The people that appear to be living well have been using the equity in their homes to fund that lifestyle, as this bubble/Ponzi scheme heads south looks like a lot of people are going to have to follow. This is sad since is appears to me the Government is effectively stealing the money off the poor in terms of the manipulation of the CPI, this has a twofold 'benefit'...
1. the Govt pays less to those most in need
2. it makes the economy look good to anyone who cannot read or count over 5.
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Iðunn says:
16 months ago
:p ok, so I couldn't resist the politics, even if I had to write a sonnet to sneak it in. : )
I admit I'm quite pleased with myself. ahem, friend.... I worked GOP into a Shakespearean sonnet. hahaha!
I couldn't resist including a classic spabbian rant, as well. I consider ranting an artform generally, but you are correct that it's a situation that really has my attention - I'm glad you read the data.
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NightFlower says:
16 months ago
I'm not a fan of politics but it is certainly hard to ignore. I do however appreciate the activist role as usually it is in behalf of the underdog lying under the grinding wheel of politics. You do have a way with your portrayal of it and I love that.
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Iðunn says:
16 months ago
I'd say under the grinding wheel of greedy people who use politics to create inequity. :p
The difference is more than semantical or grammatical, it's philosophical and spiritual.
I would love to have no interest in politics but unfortunately politics keeps having an interest in me by rearing it's ugly head to bite me or people I care about in hundreds of ways.
I suppose my point is that all people have value and that their value isn't determined by assets and income. : )
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Iðunn says:
16 months ago
the huge rant in the middle on the housing bubble is more my typical fare, btw. *blush*
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irishdreamer says:
16 months ago
A great page. I am studying low pay in the USA and it is very sad to see people who work so hard in places like Wal-mart paid so little
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Iðunn says:
16 months ago
thank you. I agree completely. I know most people think the U.S. is a land of opportunity, but that was then under different leadership.
Income mobility has diminished completely and the poverty rate has risen and continues to, especially for children.
many americans are marked to spend the only chance they get at life in prison because the GOP has created "prisons for profit" and use the "tough on crime" stance to load people into them for some nice dividends.
it's almost like ireland is going forward that way and the U.S. is going backwards.
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Madame Sosostris says:
15 months ago
O, hopefully this heartrending and devastating trend will end soon, although I am less confident than I'd like to be. People do not realise the magnitude of the damage caused by Bush outside the war in Iraq, and bless you for keeping us informed and accountable.
Yours,
Madame S.
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Iðunn says:
15 months ago
thank you for reading, madame~
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Simon says:
13 months ago
Supply and demand. Zoning laws and housing regulations mean it is far more expensive to build a house because the land is scarce.
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Iðunn says:
13 months ago
I'd have to respectfully disagree in that the cost of housing is based on far more than scarcity of land and supply and demand, however I'm delighted you took the time to both read and comment. : )
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Coral says:
11 months ago
A heartbreaking sonnet with a twist of the knife at the end.
Regards,
Coral
http://www.coralpoetry.blogspot.com
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Ralph Deeds says:
9 months ago
Nice job! Very clever.
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Iðunn says:
9 months ago
lol :p
the stupid thing is with the hub format change, all my spaces disappeared in my various hubs and eventually I have to go back and put them all back in one by one. every time I look at one of the hubs with no spaces my heart sinks a little.
Now the interesting thing about my news hubs is that they aren't set out as a "here it all is thing". They are set out as a medium for discussion and lo and behold, people come and discuss it with me and a lot of the personal commentary goes on in comments. This is how it's done on message boards. We don't write essays that SAY IT ALL. We put something up, they say something, you come back, they do , you agree, they bring up something new, etc etc etc.
Somebody must get the point: this one has 89 Comments.
http://hubpages.com/hub/The-D-Word-fina … -the-media
Now I'm sorry your little whacko friend got caught faking her own death and I'm sorry that upset you, but frankly that is no excuse to accuse me of plagarizing, slag me around the boards and downthumb my stuff. Grow up. Her too. That faking her own death stuff is annoying and has been old for years.
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Whitney, you are still having a bad day - Mark did not post on this thread at all
No sweat - I just took it as a Freudian slip and felt flattered.
I must admit I enjoyed it,too.
I think Mark would laugh about it.
Drawn into the centre of forum drama even though he is completely absent
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