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  1. thisisoli profile image71
    thisisoliposted 12 years ago

    Before you start talking about how greed causes unhappiness on this site and how this is meant to be about the community rather than the money, I think you should look at how Hubpages sells itself, you might also want to consider which people are bringing in the money that pays for the staff, server costs, and even the rent for the people that run Hubpages.

    While Hubpages is an open writing community it has also been very clear that this is a place to earn, and should be seen as such.

    1. Krancenblum profile image60
      Krancenblumposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I agree as a business owner I understand the costs or bricks and motor as far as i understand H.P will be taking a % of people earnings but they too have to pay the bills. I am out of my league on this but I thought the option of commercial blogs existed for a minimal fee. So if your making money then why not pay a small price to another company and insert your amazon accounts there ? I thought it always takes money to make money.

    2. couturepopcafe profile image60
      couturepopcafeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Personally, I never got into HubPages for the community.  I write for money.  There is always the added fallout of self satisfaction and fulfillment but it's one of my jobs, a job where I'm trying to make money.  Unless one of my friends dies, I don't have room for any more.

  2. frogdropping profile image78
    frogdroppingposted 12 years ago

    Aye Oli - I'm afraid that if hubs didn't generate money, there wouldn't be a Hubpages. Period.

    The greed thing - I wouldn't call making a living online as being greedy. I'd call that earning a living. Same as a bricks and mortar job. You're not greedy because you work to live. You're not greedy because you expect to be treat with fairness. You're not greedy for wanting to see a return on your output.

    From the front page of Hubpages:

    Write content-rich, informative and topical articles ("Hubs") on whatever subjects that you know and love. The more you publish, the more visitors and money you can earn through Google AdSense and other ads on your Hubs.

    Many of our users are earning hundreds of dollars per month and some are even earning thousands ... well after they published their Hubs. Your Hubs can continue earning for you for years after you write them.

    Over 220,000 published writers and 28 million readers from all over the world every month!

    1. Krancenblum profile image60
      Krancenblumposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I agree nothing is FREE in life everything comes with a price.

  3. LindaSmith1 profile image61
    LindaSmith1posted 12 years ago

    Couldn't have been said any better Thissoli

  4. thisisoli profile image71
    thisisoliposted 12 years ago

    i don't mean this to sound as though creative writers are not a part of the Hubpages community by the way, I actually enjoy many of the not for profit writers here.  But by placing yourself on a high horse you are forgetting what the core purpose of Hubpages is, and what pays for the platform that many creative writers on here speak from.  Both creative and sales writing have their place here.

  5. rebekahELLE profile image85
    rebekahELLEposted 12 years ago

    I think everyone has a place here. With the way ads have changed, I  think we may be surprised by what kind of hubs actually do bring in the traffic/money. It seems with the Panda attacks and changes, many marketers from different kinds of sites suffered. I don't think it's about being or not being a 'cheerleader', but adapting to the changes that we don't control.

  6. profile image60
    logic,commonsenseposted 12 years ago

    So, is Hubpages part of the 1%?

  7. Mighty Mom profile image76
    Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

    I think you misinterpreted my post, thisisoli.
    Bringing a legitimate concern or heads-up to others IS community!
    But your very legitimate thread had degenerated into petty personal attacks and grousing.
    That is NOT community.
    That is pathetic.
    And apparently I'm not the only one who thought so, as the thread got closed down.

    1. thisisoli profile image71
      thisisoliposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      my thread is still alive and well, the thread aout my thread got closed down tongue

      Unfortunately the thread where I asked nobody to post but those with direcet questions for Hubpages and for the staff to respons is laying completely dormant lol >.<

      Admitedly I should have probably not made that thread on a sunday.

  8. sunforged profile image70
    sunforgedposted 12 years ago

    lol, well I thought that post was directed at me ... as it touched on some of the same points as:

    I was surprised at the greed reference, since the thread was a spin-off of a discussion of changes in Amazon TOS at Hubpages and how that may effect "earnings" . Money Talk was the only thing relevant.

    I Dont get the thread close actually, they should have just deleted the offending posts and posters who escalated water cooler talk to insulting loved ones! .. its amazing how hot and bothered people can get over 1's and 0's even when there are no $ signs preceding! But the thread had seemed to have moved on already ... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    1. Mighty Mom profile image76
      Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Not to beat a dead horse, but I absolutely agree with your point.

      The posts I was responding to were not even directed at the OP or specifics of TOS changes or even engaging in a discussion of how to ask/demand HP staff to address hubber's legitimate concerns.
      The posts I was responding to were self-serving and petulant "I'm going home and I'm taking all my toys" (x 500 posts).
      Ok, we get it.
      If HP is no longer working for you, if don't like it here, you have two choices:
      1. leave and find a more profitable site
      2. stay and try to make HP a better, more profitable site

      P.S. As a California-based hubber I recently "got" to turn my account back on. Thank you, Gov. Brown!

      1. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Don't you worry - Hubpages will be turning it off for you in January.

        Glad to see you are all right Jack. That is what it boils down to huh?

        1. Pcunix profile image89
          Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Did you get any response to your issues, Mark?  I realize yours is a unique case so it really doesn't relate to most Hubbers - it's just curiosity.

  9. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image81
    Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years ago

    Hey, if someone wants to write for free - then they don't have to join adsense, or any other affiliate program.

    “The writer must earn money in order to be able to live and to write, but he must by no means live and write for the purpose of making money.” Karl Marx

    While money isn't really the best indicator of how good you are...traffic might be!

    1. couturepopcafe profile image60
      couturepopcafeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I know this is irrelevant, but I've heard this Marx quote before and with no disrespect to WTS, Marx was an idiot.  Sometimes we have to write just to make money.  While we're making that money on that stuff, we can write for the love of writing.  Living for money, however, is a personal choice, one that Marx would never 'get' since he was an uber socialist/idealist.

      In our case, (on line writers) it's more a matter of who's good at getting the traffic to your you said.

      1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image81
        Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I've never met an idiot that didn't say something very wise every once in a while......I'd imagine that even George W.Bush manages to say something brilliant once....well, maybe at least once.

        1. couturepopcafe profile image60
          couturepopcafeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Ok, considering all the word choices I had, idiot was a poor choice of words.  So now this is political?  Pointing out that Marx was a socialist is relevant to the conversation.  He didn't understand someone working just for money but thought everyone should share in everyone's wealth.  Bringing W into the mix doesn't make sense.  This was not a personal slam on your opinion.

          1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image81
            Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            My comments are my personal opinions.  How could they be otherwise?


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