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Sullen91posted 14 years ago
This was a nice experiment, but I've ultimately concluded that this site blows. The two competing interests are making money and writing quality articles. Mind you, I've written a handful of stellar hubs, yet I haven't a penny to show for it. Sure, I have about 100 or so impressions on AdSense, but 0 earnings. Granted, you probably only make money off of "clicks." So then, the only way to make money on this site is to publish an extraordinary number of hubs that are almost entirely promotional, related to making money in the title, or some combination thereof, which is a travesty. There are very few quality articles on this site, but instead, there are hordes of hubs about hubbing and how to make money hubbing. Evidently, this site is anathema to a writer, and a dream come true to a masochistic promoter.
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  relacheposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Speaking as someone who writes about whatever they want, who doesn't do promotion and who pays the rent with HubPages earnings, I don't know whether to facepalm or just ROTFL after reading the above.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LMAO and ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  Sullen91posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Would you mind spilling your secrets, then? You must live in a garbage bin, where the rent is very affordable.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Sure, bury yourself why don't you.
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  Sullen91posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Bro, at least I have enough dignity not to write drivel about "Sexy A-List Celebrities."
  
  I wish we could say the same for you.
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  Pearldiverposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A nice uppercut delivered Suddenly and Sullenly jarrs Cagsil's Right Eyebrow and forces him to raise his spare one, as this cutting point is made!
  
  But....
  
  The words "Sexy A-List Celebrities" Cut to the heart of Cagsil as he frantically lunges to catch them all and push them back safely into his hubs.....
  
  Dignity is Indeed on the Line...
  
  [Cagsil hitches up his breechers and...... ]
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  frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  [... falls about with merriment]
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Dignity? You might want to go look up the word, before you decide to use it in a sentence.
  My dignity is in tact and I honor the Celebrities by showing off their work, what they have said in public and what they do for others.
  
  Your pathetic attempt to mock my ability or my hubs is full of dishonesty, which I am sure goes along with what you have written within your hubs.
  
  Next time you decide to open your mouth, I would highly suggest you understand the words you are going to use.
  
  As for the rest, my Celebrity Hubs make more money for me than the average person writing on HubPages. So, stick that in your pipe and smoke yourself to cloud nine.
  
  Enjoy!
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  starme77posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nice Way Of Putting It Couldn't have said it better myself Cagsil - You Rock!
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  McHamletposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I wouldn't bother arguing with Cagsil. This is someone who criticized one of my hubs as "poorly wrote" when what was obvious from his comment, apart from his lack of grammar skills, was that he hadn't even read it. I'm sure the irony of his comment was lost on him though. I doubt concepts that deep resonate with people who stuff their hubs with pictures of 'hotties' and awful writing.
  
  For example on his hub "Young hot women in swimsuits" he writes:
  
  "These beauty ladies are showing people that they know how to make it on their own. These attractive ladies are part-time models, part-time scholars(college students), part-time homemakers and a good chance that they are even mothers.."
  
  Is anyone here going to insult the English language by pretending that that deserves to be called writing?
  
  But actually you don't need to go further than his profile for nonsense where he writes:
  
  "What most people (individuals) need to understand is that they are to live life, by following several understandings:
  
  The life you live is yours to do with as you so choose and you answer to no other. This simply means you are to maintain only a few rules for your life and those are as followed:"
  
  Not only can he not write in anything even approaching proper English, he writes that the life you live is yours and you answer to no other, and then goes on to describe his set of rules that he thinks you need to follow. A child could see the nonsense in this.
  
  Anyway, I have no idea how this joker is successful on hubpages but good luck to him. To be that bad a writer and still get so many followers is some achievement. And no-one should begrudge him that.
  
  However, someone with the writing skills of a pre-teen should not be involved in a conversation judging anyone else.
  
  I'll presumably be jumped on for telling the truth here, or people will put their hands over their ears and pretend they didn't hear, or I'll be accused of arrogance, or Cagsil will come back with some badly written and ill-thought out retort. So be it. I'm not going to talk about my hubs here but I can put a sentence together and whatever you say about Sullen, so can he.
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  Evan Hutchinsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You have 8 hubs and 5 fans. People who really do it here, do it with 1000-2000 fans and hundreds of hubs. Get real bro.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Is your next hub going to be "How to win friends and influence people,"?
  
  You have made a very wrong conclusion.
  
  The site does not blow - your ability to correctly determine subjects to write on that will potentially make you money blows. Perhaps you should have read a few of those "how to make money hubbing" hubs?..................
  
  Edit - Um, welcome to hubpages.
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  starme77posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think the dude needs to go away - I think his hubs are copied stuff and he is really an illiterate idiot
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  McHamletposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree that describes Cagsil, particularly the hub of his I mentioned above. We can't prove the photos are all copied of course, although none of them are attributed in any way, and somehow I doubt he took them himself. As for the illiterate bit, well that's a bit harsh but anyone who can't form the adjective beautiful from the noun beauty is certainly in need of help.
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  Website Examinerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I do not expect people who clearly have an axe to grind to be capable of expressing a fair and balanced opinion about the quality of other people's work.
  
  I would only voice an opinion about the quality of other people's writing as a part of constructive critique intended to help the writer improve upon his skills and/or his works. This, in turn, requires a measure of mutual confidence.
  
  Pseudo-debates about "literary quality" (commercial v. creative etc.) such as on this thread are in my opinion futile. I do not believe that anyone learns anything from them, the main reason being the absence of good faith and mutual confidence. All of which makes it seem all the more ironic that some otherwise serious writers tend to get caught up in these kinds of discussions every so often...
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  McHamletposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Let's get real and talk straight WE. This type of thing:
  
  "These beauty ladies are showing people that they know how to make it on their own. These attractive ladies are part-time models, part-time scholars(college students), part-time homemakers and a good chance that they are even mothers."
  
  is trash. And if Cagsil wants to come on here and laugh and mock other writers he deserves a taste of reality. I'm not going to stand back and let ignorant and untalented members of this site like Cagsil roll around with laughter at others when they themselves can't even put a grammatical sentence together. I have no problem with users who can't write proper English as long as they make an effort and don't try to parade their ego around these forums. But l don't feel sorry for someone like Cagsil who fills this site with useless rubbish like the hub I mentioned and then comes on here and trys to make fellow hubbers feel small.
  
  And yes I am a serious writer which is why I cannot abide others being attacked in such an immature way because they refuse to tow the populist line, especially by the likes of Cagsil who has the star defying sudacity to claim that his badly written hubs filled with copied images of scantily clad celebrities have 'dignity'.
  
  Cagsil has his fans and is popular, and I'm sure he has his good points but he can't write. And the latter is not a subjective opinion any more than using the word 'beauty' as an adjective in the context above is subjectively bad writing.
  
  So I didn't get 'caught up' in this discussion. I chose to write here for a serious reason. And if anyone wants to debate me seriously or criticize any of my points, go ahead, I don't have a monopoly on wisdom. But do it seriously. If you, WE, disagree with me and think that the extracts of Cagsil's I identified are good writing just say so. This is no pseudo-debate. And if you don't want to do that then fine, but don't come at me with a half-hearted and confused attempt to protect a friend. No-one is helping Cagsil by pretending his writing is anything but awful. In fact I am probably the only one here helping him by giving him a dose of reality.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You want straight talk, McHamlet - if you attack another Hubber on these forums and someone reports it, you get banned for 3 days. If you do it again, you get banned for a month. Do it again and you're banned forever.
  
  Your attacks on Cagsil's writing are far beyond anything anyone has said about Sullen's writing. I'm not going to report you but I suggest you edit your comment and moderate your words. You are entitled to your opinion of his writing, but this thread is not about him.
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  McHamletposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I stand by what I said. If you want to debate me seriously then do so. This extract:
  
  "These beauty ladies are showing people that they know how to make it on their own. These attractive ladies are part-time models, part-time scholars(college students), part-time homemakers and a good chance that they are even mothers."
  
  is badly written rubbish, not because it's commercial - there are plenty of good commercial hubs out there. It's just very bad writing. And not at all untypical of Cagsil as far as I can tell. If you disagree, please say so. And if I get banned for honestly stating what I firmly believe to be true and right, that's fine by me, Marisa.
  
  Besides, this: "Your attacks on Cagsil's writing are far beyond anything anyone has said about Sullen's writing" is false. Starme77 just called Sullen an 'illiterate idiot' or didn't you see? I certainly didn't see you raise any objections to that.
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  alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The problem with all this is that you are exactly in the area that is most likely to get you banned.
  
  Political and religious views are opinions and getting overexcited about them are the norm. and almost acceptabel
  
  But the quality of someone's writing and or their content is about the BUSINESS of hubs. I can agree with you that some hubs are very badly written, the content very questionable and some poetry is atrocious (as poetry). However criticism of 'work' should be sent as constructive criticism through an email preferable.
  
  I fully support your stance on quality generally as this is supposed to be a writers forum, many people writing hubs are not writers in the sensse of hte word - that does not change the fact that it is their work and it is a business.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey McHamlet,
  
  I find your post in this thread, quite interesting to say the least. Thank you so much for bringing attention to my Women In Swimsuits.
  
  They already get enough traffic and make decent money, but you talking about them has helped even more. Hence, the reason I say Thank You.
  
  However, I do find it interesting that you "attacked" those hubs. Which actually speaks volumes about your "character" as a man. It shows the entire community that you are not even worthy of being labeled "ignorant" to begin with. You would have rise to that level, never mind, go down to it. But, Good Luck with that.
  
  On another note, there is no reason for the "pissing" contest you are having with Marissa about ME of all people.
  
  Again, as I said, my Women In Swimsuits and the purpose of them? They do exactly what they need to do, and that is make money. And, I find it a little ironic that you "attacked" those out of all of my hubs. I personally do not care that you think I have an ego. It simply shows that your ego is already blinded you from the truth within your own actions.
  
  Have a great day!
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  McHamletposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Cagsil, if you think writing rubbish like that is worth the few cents you make from it and that's the only reason you're here, good luck to you. I'd advise you though to at least take a few English lessons before you make your next attempt. I teach grammar and writing. If you can get over yourself enough to admit you have a problem, I'd be happy to help you out.
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  WryLiltposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We can't link to our own hubs on the forums so I'll simply invite you to look at two of my hubs "Reflections on Love and Loss" and "Most Romantic Things to Say & Romantic Compliments".
  
  Why? Because I'd like to prove a point. It's completely possible to be a good writer (I don't consider myself great yet) yet still write trash (the second one gets far more hits). Many famous writers have written trash for money (such as those who started as journalists or rag mag writers).
  
  If you plan to hold onto your high moral standards, go for it. Personally I'd rather be appreciated for my work (and paid for it) before I die.
  
  <3 Cags go for the money
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey McHamlet,
  
  I don't claim to be perfect. Or did you read something into something I have written that just isn't there?
  
  As for my English. I'm a high school graduate, so apparently I did learn something, yet you're not smart enough to even comprehend that.
  
  Get over myself? You're too funny.
  
  What part of what I said, did you not understand. I do not care what you think. WOW! Yet you offer to help?
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  alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Cags, you know my opinion that your writing (and thinking) is confused, we discussed or argued this before. BUT I do defend your right to write what and how you choose - these are commercial hubs and not some high art form.
  
  McHamlet The issue of 'good' writing may apply to hubs that specifically try to be just writing for writing sake, such as poetry, and I agree with your basic thoughts about poetry on hubpages even though I might have disagreed with the way you put them.
  
  I do have an issue with writing that pretends to be poetry and muddled thinking that has pretensions to philosphy, but, again because these are commercial hubs, it is not my business.
  
  Cagsil - I do find some of your posts intensely irritating as you can come across as extremely pretentious, especially when you think you are right, but are at your most wrong. But this is a forum and you are entitled to it.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Alternate Poet,
  
  Nice see you again. Thank you for your remarks.
  
  Do try and enjoy yourself.
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  Website Examinerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am not going to debate you on whether this is a pseudo-debate or not. Cagsil and I do not know one another personally, and it was not my intention to protect him. Apparently, others have understood my point.
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  starme77posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh no I wasn't talking about Cagsil I was talking about sullen91 - cagsil is one of my favorite writers on here and if ya mess with em - yer messin with me - Sullen91 can go suck ..........well,,,,,,, we'll say eggs - wish his illiterate a$$ luck elsewhere and good rithens to him /her/ or whatever IT is
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  starme77posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  it is not cagsil and if ya dont mind being told off then keep on makin yer rude comments about em
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  relacheposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My garbage bin has three bedrooms, all the mod cons, an organic garden in the backyard and is a five minute walk from some great views of the Olympic/Cascade mountain range. With WiFi.
  
  And as for secrets, I think the series of Hubs I wrote on making Hubs pretty much covers those. But it's amazing how many people don't take any responsibility for their own learning, think someone's going to spoon-feed them and never find them.
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  frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Interesting that you knock other people for being successful at what you've failed at.
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  Pearldiverposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A 'Flip' Remark from the Frog adds to this rivet-rivet-riveting bunfight
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  2uesdayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think for most people you probably need quantity (write more hubs) as well as quality to make any money here.
  
  As I understand it if you want to make any money with your writing here - you need to attract search engine traffic. You can use a well selected title and URL (relating to the SEO) while still writing about the subject of your choice. Pick the subject you wan to write about, go to a Keyword tool like Google external keyword tool, put in your selected term then see which ones work best regarding SEO's and money making. Sometimes I do this and sometimes when I write I just go for it and hope for a bit of luck.
  
  If this offends you then maybe you need to also open an account with another writing site as well as this one or start a blog and link the two.
  
  I could not make myself write about a subject that I hated purely for money because I could not become enthusiastic about it.
  I do not make a fortune here but I know that it is possible to reach the Adsense payout level.
  
  If you were to draw a comparison there have been many famous artists in the past who painted portraits of people to pay the bills while they worked on their other works of art. So what is wrong with some people writing here for money.
  
  If you misunderstood what the site was about when you joined then why would you blame it all on HubPages?
  
  I wish you good luck with your future writing whatever you decide to do but before you leave, there are some good writers here and the comments some people leave is for me another form of payment for my efforts.
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  Elpasoposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sullen91 wrote:
  This was a nice experiment, but I've ultimately concluded that this site blows. The two competing interests are making money and writing quality articles. Mind you, I've written a handful of stellar hubs, yet I haven't a penny to show for it. Sure, I have about 100 or so impressions on AdSense, but 0 earnings. Granted, you probably only make money off of "clicks." So then, the only way to make money on this site is to publish an extraordinary number of hubs that are almost entirely promotional, related to making money in the title, or some combination thereof, which is a travesty. There are very few quality articles on this site, but instead, there are hordes of hubs about hubbing and how to make money hubbing. Evidently, this site is anathema to a writer, and a dream come true to a masochistic promoter.
  
  I think for most people you probably need quantity (write more hubs) as well as quality to make any money here.
  HELP ME OUT, I'M AN AMATURE, WHAT IS SEO? AND URL, I THINK I CAN FIGURE OUT THE KEYWORD SEARCH. I've been on the forums, but, I have some Ideas for hubs. Could you explain a little more about SEO, URL, KEYWORD SEARCH
  THANK YOU 2UESDAY
  ELPASO
  
  As I understand it if you want to make any money with your writing here - you need to attract search engine traffic. You can use a well selected title and URL (relating to the SEO) while still writing about the subject of your choice. Pick the subject you wan to write about, go to a Keyword tool like Google external keyword tool, put in your selected term then see which ones work best regarding SEO's and money making. Sometimes I do this and sometimes when I write I just go for it and hope for a bit of luck.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Any writer who is so egotistical as to say he's written "stellar Hubs" deserves a smack in the mouth. How do you know they're stellar? Have you asked anyone's opinion, or do you just think you're God's gift?
  
  I have read a couple of your Hubs. You can write, but they are not "stellar writing". They need some rigorous editing to make them good. You also need to learn how to make use of HubPages features such as capsules, to make them more readable and attractive.
  
  As writers we are always learning. Until you learn that, you're not going to make a good writer.
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  skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I really appreciate your patience here Marissa.
  
  But for those who say that this site blows and Mturk is better then why we're wasting our time convincing such users ? Let's go with the flow. Squidoo is dead, and so is hubpages.Lol. There is no money on content network sites like hubpages but there is plenty of money on cheap labor sites like mturk/microworkers etc.
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  Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My sentiments exactly. (Maybe I ought to go back and look at mTurk again, because when I checked out it all I saw was pretty much that cheap labor stuff, including stuff like people wanting someone else to write articles for - like - a dollar. ) All I know is that I'm waiting for this month's payment to be deposited in the next few hours, and I didn't do a whole lot of working or sweating for that particular "bonus money" (But - hey - don't listen to the loads of people who have stuck around on this site because they get results. What do they know.... )
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Marisa, thank you so much for saying that. When I saw his post and read two of his hubs, that's exactly what I wanted to say, but held back. I didn't want to be "mean", but of course it is not mean, it's just reality.
  
  In another context and another place, I have talked about writing milk and cream. Those hubs were plain milk. No chocolate, no cookies served with them, no fancy glass to hold it.. just plain milk. A long, long way from "stellar".
  
  One other thing he is missing that may not have been stressed enough is that if you sell something, that's all you ever get. A piece you own can go in making you money for decades. I have articles that are up to thirteen years at the same URL. Some of the very old ones have been earning small amounts of money all that time. It adds up.
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  Jennifer Lynchposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi, I havent made any money yet either. I am sure there are all sorts of things I'm doing wrong but I still like this site. I like reading others hubs and generally linking up with other writers. I know what you mean about the promotional stuff, makes you wonder if it is the chicken or the egg, a bit! Still worth it to keep going if only for a measure as where you are as a writer. Could lead to other things and is also an excercise in confidence and ability!
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  thranaxposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your hubs are far from perfect. The main issue with the only one I sampled is its boring plan text, doesn't show any sign of SEO or anything.
  
  100 Impressions a month is nothing. I used to think it was a lot within my first month but its squat. I receive well over that amount a day, with thousands a month.
  
  To be successful you need to do some keyword research, learn some SEO skills, create good content with images-links-videos-tables-rss feeds-news to help boost your content in the engines and make your visitors look around.
  
  If you do nothing, you earn nothing.
  
  ~thranax~
  
  PS: Google Adsense average users CTR (Click-thro-rate) is between 1-10%. More then a 10% normally puts you on googles watch-list. With this being said 100 impressions could only turn into 1-10 clicks. And normally it takes more then 100 Impressions to even get a click, leaving the CTR less then 1%.
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  Sullen91posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I received 100 impressions in the span of 5 days, thank you very much.
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  darksideposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, this site blows.
  
  Hopefully you'll find success at another site that blows less.
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Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago
Well if you think you're going to write 6 "perfect hubs" that sell nothing and make money, it probably isn't going to happen. The site doesn't blow, your attitude toward writing for money does.

You are welcome to write in your own style here. But you're not guaranteed an income, that's up to the marketplace.

I don't know where you're from, but welcome to American-style capitalism.
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Cagsilposted 14 years ago
The OP wreaks with nastiness. I find it appalling and in poor taste.

You have been here(not long) and you're complaining about not earning from 6 hubs you have written.

Are you kidding? Do you not understand anything about earning online? Or is that you are too lazy to look into it?

I mean, are you thinking that you are a professional? I hope not. I can only think of one person who is on HubPages writing few hubs on one account and making thousands a month, and that would be Misha.

However, there are plenty of people who are earning money on HubPages, and I am one who is having consistent earnings and increasing each month.

So, read some about HubPages and how it works, then you might actually make something.

Just a thought.
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Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago
Well his name is Sullen91, so perhaps he's just living up to it. In fairness to him, there is a belief out there that you can write about anything and make money. Oh that, that would be true.
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Pearldiverposted 14 years ago
Hey... C'mon you guys.... He has placed his work in the Extreme Rakeover Forum....

Surely you can be more objective?

SullenOne... Your writing is ok... you know how to punctuate your writing and the composition is good.... I wouldn't call you work perfect.. though on the subject matter it is up there!

I wonder what you could do constructvely if you adjusted your ears to the left slightly so that a surgeon could perform an optorectomy by cutting the cord between your eyes and your butt! I suspect that this OP would be the only positive thing that could be done to cure such a negative and shitty outlook.
BTW... another upside to an optorectomy is that you will be able to blow instead of suck...

Good Luck with your Negativity here... you won't find many to help you drown in your beer... unless your drinking a cheap one and then people will line up to hold your feet!!

If you have been experimenting... then you shouldn't be so disappointed... you succeeded winding everyone up! Maybe Google saw you coming? Hope your Ducks Float.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It would have been nice if he has asked for help, but that wasn't his reason for coming to this forum thread.
  I thought I was being objective..
  The rest of your post had me laughing so hard, I had tears come to my eyes.
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  Pearldiverposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was being Objective
  Don't take it outa context... or it gets lost in the accent
  
  Now where's that surgeon?
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SteveoMcposted 14 years ago
LOL I enjoy the objectivity of Pearldiver, I have been on HubPages about the same amount of time as Sullen91 (Could there actually be 90 other Sullens out there?).

I do a poor job with all the promotion stuff (there's a learning curve), I think I am getting better. I am currently earning around 30 to 40 cents a day with about 150-200 views. Now that is not going to pay for any rent, but it is ok with me for right now. My strategy was to write about content that I was interested in, and I have done that. I will work on promotion and seo and all the rest of that stuff as I go along.

Sullen91, your writing is not bad at all. It actually is well written and grammatically and technically correct.

Several things jumped out at me though as I read The definitive guide to multiple choice test taking:
1. Limited audience
2. Content was not what I expected, I thought it would be about how to do better on MC Tests, but instead I got a study guide lesson. After taking approximately 100 million of these type of tests, I found that advice useless, I can only guess that anyone who has found this hub would have a similar experience.
3. No photos, graphics, or otherwise visually interesting items on the hub.
4. The only links in the hub are taking the reader to other hubs by other authors. No links present for OP's other hubs.
5. No humor or interesting stories used for illustration.
6. The entire article is in one capsule. Nothing available to the reader for skimming, and referring back to content. Several capsules should have been used.
7. Some of the tags you used are useless because you rate in the thousands. For example, drugs, you are in the thousands and it has nothing to do with your article.
8. The title is misleading, it should be something like: "How to study for a Multiple Choice Test" using keyword choices.

Basically, even if it was promoted properly, this hub would not likely make any money.

Look at this hub: http://hubpages.com/hub/Testing-Smart
This hub was written on the same subject, but utilizes all of the suggestions above and is a great example for you.

In short, your hub is a train wreck. The title targets the wrong audience, none of the elements of promotion are used, it is uninteresting and the answer you provide is obvious to anyone who has completed the 8th grade. I assure you that schools teach test taking strategies from early on, including multiple choice tests with the importance given to NCLB (No Child Left Behind) legislation.
In addition to that, teachers at all levels are very concerned with testing results which can trigger consequences if students don't show growth. I assure you they work very hard on the content, study skills and guides, and test taking strategies that should be well ingrained by, as I said the 8th grade.
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  Sullen91posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I appreciate your genuine response, and much of what you said is true for that hub.
  
  For all the effort I put into those six hubs, I could have easily made $100 on Mturk.com, where they will gladly pay you $1.70/200 word article. Of course, you give up any right to the content, but you do receive the payment up front, in a respectable and consistent fashion.
  
  Actually, I see that I wrote 5800 words in those six hubs. 5800/200(1.70) = 49.3. *2 for all the meticulous detail and effort.
  
  When you take into account all the extra care and attention to detail, it is easy to see that this site is a waste, except for a lucky few people. The only draw about this site is it offers you the potential for "residual income", while owning your content. Sadly, 98% or 99% of people would be better off writing for fixed assignments, me included.
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  frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  HubPages does not own your content, you do. You are free to remove it and publish it elsewhere.
  
  Edit: As it's clear that your intention here was to earn a residual income, you need to factor in the cardinal rules of writing online.
  
  Your text needs breaking up, salient points are better when highlighted. Insert pictures, a video, in short, appropriate alternative media.
  
  Your URLs are over long and most likely not written as someone would search for the information that you're sharing.
  
  Online readers are a different breed to those that read from books. They scroll, scan, hop and search. You need to write with that in mind.
  
  Just saying
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  Pearldiverposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In Defence of his non cents position... Sullen throws the mention of dollars into the forum buying only time to face a factual conclusion... and a position to see the spindlely leg of Cags snaking towards his ears
  
  Or does that leg belong to the Frog???
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  frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Trust me - spindlely legs are Cags domain. I don't do spindlely. I do froggily. Occasional sneakily. In a blue moon mirthlessly.
  
  But never spindlely
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  EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Is that all? My hubs are all about 600 words long, so that would make just over $5 for each of my hubs if I were writing them for Mturk.com. But all of them (except maybe the 20 or so hubs that I wrote before I had a clue) will earn at least ten times that as hubs over their lifetime, I would hope.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I missed this before. Sullen, if you're happy with $1.70 for first rights, I say go for it. You might also enjoy Helium.com.
  You're underestimating the value of residual income.
  
  Because ALL your paying visitors will come from search engines, you have to be patient. Unless you know how to gain publicity for your Hubs, it takes weeks or even months for the search engines to give them prominence. Then they start earning.
  
  I would never consider selling an article for $1.70. I would have to be offered at least $50 for an article before I considered it worth the loss of ongoing income. My best performing Hub has earned $200 so far.
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  alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  About right and well thought out answer to the OP. Congratulations, now if the OP cold only write half that well ahhh !
  
  BTW are you related to Yoda from Star Wars ?
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sunforgedposted 14 years ago
I wanted to read a hub so I could make an objective and helpful statement.

But halfway through the first paragraph my curiosity was piqued by a fancy blue link, I followed it and read an actual "stellar hub" by another HubPages writer, when I completed that Hub, I had forgotten yours even existed.

I dont mind the tone of your post, Obviously your discouraged but I can assure you that 1.70/200 words is not a benchmark to aim for.

I believe the site average is around $5USD per 1000 views - my average per 1000 views is more than double that through only one of the possible income sources.

So you see, this site needs people like you to make the average, thanks for your contribution!

Sorry.... I meant "do your homework" your topics and quality of writing are sufficient to earn, figure out why so far you have been unsuccessful in this particular venue.

hints:

Keyword Research
On Page Optimization
Page Layout

Positive Mental Attitude (It helps ...for life in general)
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kellieshellposted 14 years ago
Wow! I learned alot in here... A special thanks to all those seeking to give inspirational advise to us newbies. I just wasn't catching on, but now I understand. All it took was some tough love from my Hubmates... Now I ve got to go and earn the big bucks! Thanks you guys...(sob)
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  kellieshellposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  omg, I left here and realized I was following this guy! I feel like such a Jackass(Heehaw)...
  I remember reading his hubs. Hubs like his are unforgettable.
  Now I need to got se if he was following me,I may have just lost a follower...(sob)
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  kellieshellposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  nope he wasn't a follower.(wipes sweat from forehead)...
  Yea i'm done now...
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  Marisa Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Indeed. Why were you following him? The idea of following is that you're supposed to follow people because you like their writing. If you're following people for any other reason, you've missed the point.
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  kellieshellposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know, I think I was following him because i felt sorry for him.
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  Sullen91posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think kellie was following me because she thought I could write well. When she found out that I am not a 100% nice, sweet, lovable person, she decided to stop following me; either I genuinely offended her sensibilities, or she is quick to save face -- or, maybe a combination of both, where she leaps epically to save her spot on the bandwagon.
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  kellieshellposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  your write I did think you could write well even if your hubs were not interesting at all. i did stop following you because you are mean and I dont like that.
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  kellieshellposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol, right not write
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askpowersposted 14 years ago
If you are willing to earn from hp, then its really a slow process. But you can use it to promote your other site which have more clicks.
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Dale Nelsonposted 14 years ago
Yeah, the tags are not even found once in the text and I agree the heading is misleading. There are news feeds all over the place. Nothings ties together as a topic to read although it does say from every angle.

Definitely worth reading hubpages hubs from the gurus like most of the guys and gals who have commented towrds the top of this forum topic.
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Len Cannonposted 14 years ago
Nearly every Hub I've written I've had some personal interest in or just wrote for the heck of it. Some of them are more mercenary (articles about Halloween costumes are pretty much just for sales) and some of them were mostly for fun (comic book lists) but 80% of them earn money one way or another every month.

Spending five minutes to get a decent title for search traffic and putting a few keywords in can make the difference between a constant earner and a flop. Just because you write something for fun doesn't mean you can't spend a little time to make it noticeable to search engines.
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liljen23posted 14 years ago
This has been a heated conversation but it is hilarious and I am kind of mad of the dirty comments the OP left at some of the other hubbers.. Who do he think he is?? I think he did it for some attention and some traffic to those hubs of his.. Not a good approach..All I have to say is I am still learning myself and to be honest you have to come in with a good and dedicated attitude if you are going to make money on the internet anyways..
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Richieb799posted 14 years ago
Sometimes you have to compromise your voice a little in order to make a living and you may even learn or grow from this experience
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  Sullen91posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for replying. I don't like the proposition of compromise, when it is just in the interest of money and it does not have to be. This experience ranks low among the ones I've endured; I hate the tug of war between principles/practicality.
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Pcunixposted 14 years ago
No,Richie, no! I will NEVER compromise!

Well, maybe. A little. But I won't do nude scenes. Unles it's tasteful and needed for the plot.

Or if the money is good.
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Kangaroo_Jaseposted 14 years ago
Sullen91,

Go and make a tea or coffee then come back and read this, it is going to be a long long post.

I do not feel offended nor hurt by your opening comment, I feel it comes from a lack of understanding of the UNIQUE opportunity that HubPages provides, that you do not yet see.

May I suggest the following;

Go and read the Terms of Service

Go and read the FAQ section on HubPages, thats the word 'help' on the top right of the site.

Go and THOROUGHLY read the Hubs written by misha, sunforged, darkside, relache, thisisoli, ryankett, waynet, cagsil, mark knowles & nelle hoxie.

From that above list of veteran Hubbers, any Hubs and or Hubbers THEY suggest you read, go and do so.

If your purpose is here to write for money, you need to view Hubpages as a place to earn long term, residual income. You need to learn the ropes what what works and what does not for your writing for hubpages.

Write in mind of building up your 'brand'. For one you need to write for 'your' market. This is done by providing useful, relevant, interesting, evergreen and humorous information to your reader base. That information is your understanding and ability to relay that information in the form of a single or group of topical niches.

You need to be able to provide to your market, for if you don't, you end up shooting dimes in an Olympic size swimming pool.

View your time here as a form of apprenticeship. Learn your writing, learn your niche, learn about your market. Then go back and review your activities after 12 months.

You will not and cannot earn an income here in a relatively short period of time, unless you are an absolute fantastic internet marketer. You can earn an income here and also as it has been expressed by some others here, you can even earn enough to pay off a mortgage.

To get to that level of income takes, knowledge, application of understanding that learn't knowledge, knowing and applying SEO techniques such as back linking, one way links, article marketing, keyword and long tail keyword research and various similar means.

You need to work hard and work often, and actually work smart as well. You can achieve working in a smart manner by being consistent, setting goals, writing material based on your keywords and keeping your writing relevant to your wealth of niches. The other aspect you need is time, you need to let your Hubs grow and mature, as your target market starts to discover your work, as well as the search engines doing so as well.

Also you need patience, and not just a positive attitude, but a 'can-do' attitude helps a long way as well.

As a final word, you have much opportunity to go back and review your own hubs, if you find that after these suggestion already made to merits ammending your already written work, then by all means do so. If you don't feel it merits attention , then do not change them.

Ok, I feel I have finished with my 2 cents today.

Welcome to HubPages
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  Sullen91posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for replying. I'm going to mull over this idea you suggested; that I should limit the scope of what I choose to write about and find a niche with a loyal audience.
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Daniel Carterposted 14 years ago
Sullen, three months is usually not a long enough time to really determine how effective this venue is for making you money. I haven't made this my primary focus for money, I've been here just over a year, but I'm very pleasantly surprised by how much I've learned about SEO, writing online, and how to just now begin to incorporate a lot of those things. I write what I want, and I experiment constantly. Eventually I'm sure I'll make a descent amount of money from Hubpages, but learning how to do it well is going to take me some time. I suspect that most people are not an exception to this.

Keep writing, learning, improve some of your past hubs, and watch them get indexed, and watch the number of views go up over time as they become seasoned.

I have one hub that ranks first on first page google searches. I had no idea that particular hub would be so sought after. It's also been that basis for a nationwide Associated Press article. Do your best work, learn as you go and enjoy it. The rest will take care of itself. If you are counting on this as your primary source of income, think again. It takes time for that to happen.
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  Sullen91posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for replying. I can envision the reality in what you said.
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Pandoras Boxposted 14 years ago
If you're looking to write the next great novel or earn yourself a pulitzer, HubPages ain't the place to do it. Duh. But feel free to try.

If you're looking to make money doing internet marketing, you've got a lot to learn.

You have a choice to make. Starvation is supposed to be great inspiration.
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  Sullen91posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not starving, thank God. Thanks for replying.
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thooghunposted 14 years ago
Hey Sullen, controversy always works. Now just apply your success on this thread to your hubs
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Dalyinxposted 14 years ago
Your writing is alright, but it's far from great. If you're looking to make money, you're going to need to optimize your hubs for Google. For example, you basically lump everything into one giant paragraph in your "Increase strength and ..." hub. Your title also isn't very appealing or Google-friendly, so that's not going to help you out either.

In regard to the content in the "strength" hub:

While most of your information is sound, it reads like it's something regurgitated out of a beginner's bodybuilding guide. Because of this, you're not presenting anything new, nor are you putting it out there in a novel way. Both of these will work against you.

I would offer to help you, but I'm not going to since you came off like a jerk in the OP.
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WillGranderposted 14 years ago
The problem is that those 100 views were probably all Hubbers.

Hubbers don't click ads, generally.

To make money you need to pull in search engine traffic.
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Cagsilposted 14 years ago
Hey Kellieshell,

Look at your forum posts....do you see the "EDIT" feature?

You can simply edit any post you create. The only time this does not apply is when you are in the OFFICIAL Announcement threads.

You do not need to put out corrections like you did. Just to let you know.

Edit: Also you have a delete feature, so you can delete entire posts.
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  kellieshellposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  thanks!!
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're welcome Kellie
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indian cookingposted 14 years ago
I don't think you can expect to be a millionaire with just 6 hubs. Keep on writing consistently at least for 6 months and you would definitely see some fantastic results.
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WryLiltposted 14 years ago
Idiot. Sorry but I have a bad habit of saying the first thing that comes to mind sometimes.

Honestly? I'd rather write an article now that will bring me $2000 over the next few years than sell the same article for $200.

Do you know anything about SEO or keyword research? Obviously not. Out of those impressions, did you even get any from search engines or were they from hubpages? Hubpage users don't click adverts, search engine traffic does.

Do you know how many writers have written books that were refused by publishers yet went on to write best sellers? And you're whining about not being paid immediately for an unedited, medium quality 5800 words.

Don't you think that if it was "so easy" to make money, EVERYONE would be rich?

I've been here a few months now and am getting over 800 hits per day. I've had 45,000 hits all up. When you get to that point you realize how much further you can go... but I guess you're too lazy to try, right?

Did you quit college because you wouldn't get a high paying job as soon as you left, too?

Edit: Here's an example of a well done hub http://hubpages.com/hub/10-Tips-for-Sustainable-Living - when you write hubs of that quality, then you can come back and complain if you don't make money.
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  Sullen91posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know how many papers and presentations we did on "going green", and I most certainly do not want to rehash those terrible memories of VOC paints, fluorescent vs. CFL vs. LED, bamboo flooring vs. linoleum vs. hardwood. No, I will not read a post on "sustainable living"; the whole terminology of the fabricated benefits (of being environmentally conscious) are etched in my brain.
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  WryLiltposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I wasn't talking about the subject matter you [expletives deleted] git.
  
  I was referring to the layout, quality, design, grammar and general eye catching appeal of the page. That was picked at random out of the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of good hubs on hub pages.
  
  I didn't post a page because I know it has a high CTR or traffic. That's something only the owner will really know. Once we find a niche most of us hubbers don't tell. That page could be a money maker or a flop. But either way - that's a good basic page if it has keyword research and SEO.
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  frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  I wouldn't worry about it WryLilt. You can't educate carrots. Even when they think they're sooper edumacated
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  WryLiltposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But can you feed them to the rabbits?
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  frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Nope. Gives them gas
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  kellieshellposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol!!
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frogdroppingposted 14 years ago
*is going to write a new hub. How To Be Arrogant - Without Trying*
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Never met an arrogant frog
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  kellieshellposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol
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frogdroppingposted 14 years ago
lol I'm not Misha. I was basing my idea on someone else
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Fiction Tellerposted 14 years ago
Sullen91,

Your writing style is elegant, but it's still very raw. With some honing, it could be spectacular. If you stall here, though, thinking it's already all that it can be, that would be a shame; talent undeveloped won't get recognized.

I'm not sure if you want a critique of your writing per se or of your actual hubs, but you seem interested in writing, so I'll focus on that, mostly. And - a warning - I'm blunt, but I don't mean it personally. I've just found that critiques are more valuable when they offer no-nonsense advice.

Whether or not a piece of writing is a good piece of writing depends on it's purpose. If the purpose is to craft text that pleases the writer, then perhaps your work is done - you decide whether it works for you.

But if the purpose is to communicate an idea to a reader, then your hubs do need work - quite a bit of work. The ideas in your hubs may be exalted, the turn of phrase may be (occasionally) eloquent, but the hubs are not easy to read.

To make them so, you'll need to:

Improve the clarity of your writing by varying your sentence length more, a technique you use in part but not nearly enough. Make short sentences your friend.

Cut down your wordage by half. Be ruthless. Imagine it's life or death, or that words cost money. Eliminate, for example, unnecessary qualifiers that weaken your voice such as "In no uncertain terms."

Simplify your languge. Though you're apparently capable of writing for a scholarly audience, if you want a non-academic to read your work, then you must write for the layman. Your writing now seems overly worked and stilted; if you take the trouble to write for the layman, weaving complex concepts into informal, simple-sounding language, it will seem masterful.

(And by layman, I don't mean unintelligent person. I mean someone who's reading for help or entertainment rather than analysis.)

Organize the sections clearly. Break up the text into more sections than you're using now, and use headings that state what the section is about. Don't rely on a logical progression of argument for your structure; what's logical to you, the author, is not intuitive to your reader. Make your sections distinct and clearly defined.

If structuring the hub clearly that way is hard to do, it may be because you're not keeping your reader in mind enough. Content designed to be read is all about the reader. Take that as gospel.

You seem most comfortable using the passive tense. Except in rare situations where it enhances clarity, avoid the passive tense, and most definitely avoid it in introductory paragraphs. The intro is your hook and must lure the reader in.

For example, your chess hub begins:

"Certain relatable ideas are used in speaking to convey some perspective; journalists will often talk about the 'calculus' of a situation, for example."

That's a weak, vague, and meandering statement, reminiscent of the opening of a class lecture, not a focused article written for everyman. Plus it's a waste of valuable real estate: Lose the esoteric discussion of calculus, or lose the reader interested in chess. Go for a strong hook, like:

"Chess is much more than a game; it's part of the very language we speak."

or

"Have you ever heard of someone being a 'pawn' or lost an argument to a smug 'Checkmate!'? Then in a sense, you already know about chess, even if you've never played the game before. And if you have played chess, you know that mastering the game is far more difficult than mastering the metaphor."

Part of writing well is drawing the reader in. Part of drawing the reader in is using an appealing voice that garners trust. You have a stiff voice in your hubs. It's standoffish, not inviting, and not sympathetic to your reader. It's the voice of a lecturer assuming an incomprehending audience, not a teacher speaking to a bright, eager reader. Work to soften your voice.

Furthermore, the voice should be so subtle as to be all but hidden. The author should remain invisible most of the time. As he reads, the reader shouldn't be thinking of the author, or even of the cleverness of the words, but of the newness of the ideas, with perhaps an occasional, "I like the way he put that!"

This doesn't mean you can't inject your own personality into your writing. It just means you need to do so more commandingly. The successful iconoclastic writer injects big personality into his work, but it works because the writer has uncanny charisma and - this is key - takes the trouble to write for his readers.

And writing for your readers does NOT mean getting any strong reaction at all - that's another way of saying you're writing for yourself. It means communicating either what you want to communicate or something the reader finds valuable.

So anyway, good luck. These comments are general, but I hope they help. If you have specific questions, ask away.
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  Sullen91posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I read your frank comments, and I value your insight particularly. Among all this festering manure, your fetching acuity is like a deodorizer. .
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  frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  I happen to think you can write. I've read a couple of your hubs. You could do very well with a little more effort on the SEO front.
  
  However, I also happen to think you're lacking in manners. Being able to write is a talent, granted. Being mean minded and arrogant is a choice.
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Marisa Wrightposted 14 years ago
Fiction Teller, your critique is excellent. I do hope Sullen will have the humility to accept it and act upon it, unfortunately I get the impression he thinks he's already a perfect writer.
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Ben Peckposted 14 years ago
Hi Sullen

I have been here five weeks and got some money to show for it, and I am a complete novice. You have written seven hubs in three months. How hard were you really trying in this experiment.

Stop complaining, read some of the masses of information available, and put some EFFORT in.

Best of luck
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  McHamletposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I personally don't think I'm going to make much money on this site as I mostly write fiction and I think the commercial and how-to hubs do better. I also hate to saturate my hubs with ads because I think it detracts from the content. In any case, that doesn't bother me as I see the site as a show-case and an opportunity to meet others of a creative nature. I've got a lot out of the site from that point of view.
  
  What does bother me though and it consistently happens in these forums is the super-defensiveness of some hubbers here. I think Sullen took out his frustration in a negative way but if he thinks the site blows so what? Presumably he'll go somewhere else. What's the point in beating him out the door?
  
  I think that In terms of making money, hubpages is a difficult environment for those who are more artistic and an easier one for those who are business oriented. If you don't want to fill your hub with ads, add followers just for the sake of it, stuff your hub with keywords that work or follow popular trends you're likely to get less views and your hub will be rated down. Of course quality counts; you can do all of the above and your hub can still have quality but if you want to do something a bit different, don't expect money, I say, or a lot of recognition, just the opportunity to get your stuff read, to get some feedback and to meet other writers. If you're not satisfied with that then it's not the place for you.
  
  Last point. There are some hubs on this site that are crap and still do well and some hubbers who have made a names for themselves but can't write for peanuts . Welcome to the real world. We don't live in a Utopia where quality always rises to the top and trash, unfortunately, sometimes works. However there are also a lot of very talented people here who write on all topics, business orientated, artistically orientated and both and they deserve respect for toughing it out in a profession that offers very little reward for the hard work it entails except to those fortunate few who make it to the top.
  
  Life doesn't owe any of us a living nor does this site, but for crying out loud, if someone steps a little out of line why not just guide them back in instead of trying to lynch them.
  
  Peace.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  McHamlet, look at the title of his post. "Very well done Hubs". He also says he has written "stellar Hubs".
  
  You are a creative writer with a good ear for words, but I'm sure you wouldn't go around telling everyone your fiction is "stellar". If he had approached the subject with a touch of humility, we would all have been understanding - but to come here and say "I'm brilliant, it's the site that sucks" when clearly, he's just a novice writer....words fail me.
  
  He has been going around HubPages handing out far worse criticism than he's been getting on this thread. He called one Hubber's writing "hideous" (totally unjustified, BTW, she writes well). Do as you would be done by, I say.
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  McHamletposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, I wouldn't do that and I agree that he didn't take the right tone, but there seems to be an element of ganging up on new hubbers here sometimes in a rather nasty and childish way. I've seen it before too, and I don't like it. In any case Aficionada deals with the issue pretty well below.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  McHamlet, I guess I've done something that annoys me in other people - carrying anger from one thread to another.
  
  I came to this thread from another thread where he mercilessly (and wrongly) crucified another Hubber's Hub, and presented himself as some kind of literary expert. To read his post on this thread just added fuel to the fire.
  
  I must say I didn't realise he's just a kid, that explains a lot.
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Aficionadaposted 14 years ago
It's really a shame that this thread took such a personal turn, because there has been a vast amount of truth floating around in it, and the personal nature of some comments makes it harder to catch the truth that is in them.

One truth that hasn't been mentioned yet is about the OP. Sullen91 is just a kid. He's 18; and like pretty much all 18-year-old boy-men, he knows everything. I commented in another thread on his negativity. I actually think that he's still trying to find his mature voice. He hasn't caught on yet to the difference between objective critique and outright criticism.

His attempts to express self-assurance definitely have an arrogant tone. Like the rest of us (who surely have more experience), he forgets that a lot of communication is non-verbal and is expressed through a glance, a smile, a shrug, a nod, through numerous details that are lost when we write quickly (lost because we know but don't convey the exact tone of voice or decibel level that is in our mind when we type the words).

But he has time to learn, and I believe that he can. If he will give attention to the good advice shared in this thread and others, he can mellow and shape the potential that he clearly has. I hold out a lot more hope for his future than for that of 35- or 45- or 55-year-olds who know everything and don't know that they don't.
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Poetic Elementsposted 14 years ago
Look, OP, there is a lot of truth in what you say. However, there are going to be people coming here claiming to be making money. Mind you, proof of this will be non-existant or little at best but they will still tell you they make money.
I will tell you this, no one gets rich from this site. Not everyone wants to even make money on this site. I use this site for fun.
I will also tell you that there are people here who will tell you that they make money writing here when the truth is they make money filling part of a blank page on which advertisers and the hp members themselves can advertise. The truth is that without advertising this site would not exist.
The other truth is that some people who call themselves writers here would not be paid to actually write anywhere and they are making an income directly from being an advertising affiliate. A reporter for The New York Times is paid to write. HP members are paid for the advertising they do directly and/or advertising placed around whatever they choose to fill the page with, okay?
You need to just enjoy yourself and not worry about making money.
Is it possible to be a real writer and write ad copy? Yes, it is. I have only seen one or two people here who can and DO do both though. If you want to make any money at all then feel free to write "trash" as someone put it--write abot making money, losing weight and by all means never write anything controversial or you'll be banned and lose your "big" income.
If you want to have fun, write what you want and don't stress whether or not you are "paying the rent" just from HP--Oh please! (Let's see your check stubs!)
The only other choice you have is write what you want and place multiple ads of your own on your hubs. That way, even if you are not compromising your art at least the ads YOU place might help make up for any of the lost "riches".
Whatever gave you the impression ANYone makes a lot of money here anyway?
Geez!
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SteveoMcposted 14 years ago
It is time to 'fish or cut bait.' Thanks to Dad, the smoked ham of an old codger, this stayed with me my whole life and I am just now beginning to understand the roots of some of my humor.

He also lived in a small town in Alaska, and threatened to move to Hoonah, population 860, because the traffic was too congested, which meant that more than one car was waiting at the stop sign, the only four way stop in town.

Perspective. Isn't it all really perspective? Who cares about the hub if the idea is to make money? Who cares about money when the object is to write and hone your writing skills?

The bottom line is this: there is plenty of room for both right here on HubPages and a lot of stuff in between. I have noticed some people starting here who appear to be hopeless. There is no way that they could really write. But then they persisted, took constructive criticism, and started writing stuff that seems pretty good.

Then take me, I personally do not like poetry. Especially the likes of Byron, Keats, and Shelley. But I have read them. It was like taking double doses of castor oil. I have read a bunch of others too. I read them because they were hailed as classics, were required reading, or because I was genuinely hoping to get it. It never happened. I still do not like poetry. Does this make poetry less than something else? I don't think so. I think what this shows is a lack of perspective on my part. I keep an open mind and now read the poetry of some people I respect, like Nellieanna. You know she writes poetry that has lots of 2 or 3 word sentences. I really like that, it is sort of like reading a novel that has 2 or 3 page chapters. Why do I love that?

Anyway, the time has come to fish or cut bait.
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Gobbyposted 14 years ago
Sullen91 - as others have stated, you need to write for an audience who will come and who are interested in your topic enough to click on the ads.

Secondly the topic must be "monetizable". What is the CPC that advertisers are paying for the keyword for your topics? Did you write these topics with that in mind? How many people search for your topic each month?

If only 10 people are searching for your topic per day and the CPC is low, you're not going to make any money writing about it.
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Rimzimposted 14 years ago
Hi Sullen91,
I am new to HP but not agree with you.
In one month I publish 15 hubs & earn $4, may be not a big amount but you cant understand this. HP really boost my confidence & not find any word to express this confidence.
But I not think about money at this stage because my first target is 100 hubs then start thinking about money.

Question to you Sullen91,

Are you advertise your hubs or not (like throgh digg, twitter etc.),

{if not then probably your visitors are only hubbers, means only hubpages user see your hubs. In that condition 0 earning is correct because hubbers read your hubs for knowledge not for clicking.}

You can check your traffic sources in http://hubpages.com/my/traffic_source after login
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