Hi I've come across copy-proof text very often especially while taking online tests on freelance sites (skills tests). I was wondering if it was feasible and if search engines could still crawl these pages.. Because if it is possible then surely it would be a great investment here even if HP has to pay some amount..
Look at it this way - everyone's traffic is falling due to plagiarism and they're loosing out on earnings so inevitably HP is also losing out on earnings. So in the long run it will be profitable for HP and will keep the hubbers willing to hub more. ]
Just my humble opinion - I have no clue how expensive it is or whether it would be advisable to do this.
I wonder if those are images they use, but it doesn't seem like
There is no such thing as 'copy-proof text' - even with all the technology you can install, someone can simply read your text into any piece of software that transcribes from voice and voila - copied content! I beleive there's an Apple App that does it - Microsoft Word does it....
I once wrote about all of the many, many ways text can be copied now and in the future.
There is no such thing as "copy proof". 'copy deterred' yes, but anything can be copied if desired.
The closest to copy proof would be to host files on a secure host that is only accessible through password that is only shared to a very limited party and that cannot be crawled at all by any and all search engine. However, that wouldn't be helpful to us now would it? For people selling articles, that might be fine, but for hubbers it'd be unusable.
If it can be crawled or seen by a public, then it can be copied.
No, it can be easily circumvented. I could do it myself in less than a minute.
Even if there was a way to fully stop scripts and programs (which there never will be) and all other automated activity, it wouldn't stop people from hiring others in poorer countries to manually retype articles. While not overly efficient, it still counts as copying.
Heck, I've scolded at one classmate I knew in real life who posted textbook articles (nearly verbatim) on her blog that she simply retyped (she typed fast).
Yes but there are many people who don't have the money to pay anyone!! Btw I read in an answer that Linda Smith said if we filed a DCMA as well as informed adsense about the plagiarism then there's a high possibility of the persons adsense account being banned. This way they won't go on and create another blog once their first one has been deleted.
On your own site, you can disable highlighting and right click using script like this :
Still! The average idiot won't know how to get around it!
There's no way we can insert this into our hubs, is there? Can't we get HubPages to put this code into the header of every single hub?
And we can't add any scripts into our hubs, so even a smart guy (not an average idiot) can't do it
The average idiot isn't the person who'll steal 500+ hubs worth of content.
The average idiot who uses right clicking will maybe steal 1 - 3 hubs a day, if that. The people who steal hundreds in no time and who back them up in a way that they can upload them to another site again may not be smart, but they DO use scripts and they sometimes DO pay for them because they think that ad revenue will balance out their investment.
Visit the BHW forums (I don't know if I can mention their full name) for a while and you'll know just how easy and how free/cheap it is to get such scripts. I sometimes go there just to see what's new in the scraper/theft scene. Can't fight what you don't know, right?
Disabling right click is therefore useless against our real enemies and will annoy our readers. I know if I encounter a site that disables right click when I try to copy something, I leave. There are many legitimate uses of right click (one of which is to copy paste a phrase into a search engine to find out more about the topic). Removing it provides little benefit but will provide a lot of inconvenience for our readers.
That's like putting a DRM on a game that says you can only play it if you're connected to the internet. It might stop 5 people out there, but those that pirate regularly know that eventually a crack will show up. Those who purchase the game legally and don't crack then have to suffer if they internet connection ever goes down or, worse, they don't have one.
It's wrong to put in measures that hurt legitimate users more than nonlegitimate ones.
Anyone who thinks disabling highlights and right click are "good ideas" is, in my opinion, in denial about what its effects will be.
Before I knew much about the net, I would leave articles and websites that had such scripts. Just X out and find another site with the answer I was looking for. Now, I use source if I REALLY need to highlight - or I leave.
I'd rather HP implement a partnership with copyscape to find copied hubs than foolishly try to prevent copying.
Thanks, Caren. Good points.
As skyfire mentioned, the disabling codes he linked aren't for HubPages, or any site that a professional scraper would use a script to copy hundreds of sites from. We can't use those codes in our hubs anyway. They're for our off-HP sites.
Oh hell. Never mind. It disables right click/command click, but it does not disable highlight+copy. I thought I saw a script that could disable that. Guess I'll keep looking!
Copysentry has an unlimited premium account that HP could use. Hubbers could pay a monthly fee like $5 or even less, I am sure that HP would make a killing. Hubbers who pay this stipend could have unlimited checks on their account and would be alerted when their content shows up somewhere.
I have a copysentry account, which from copyscape, but it's expensive to have the unlimited version. But with so many hubbers here it would be less expensive for HP to hold the account and we pay HP a smaller fee.
It was copysentry that alerted me about my content being stolen last week.
That would be great. But are all willing to pay that amount? For now I make almost $5 a month I don't mind paying it all as long as this is a better place because eventually I'll be earning more here as well
Well it would be a choice and HP could set the price based on what copysentry charges. I think it's less than $100 per month so $1 per month for each hubber would mean HP makes a lot of many anyway, and it would be worth the effort. I make less than $15 per month now and I have paid for my copysentry/copyscape account from my pocket.
For those of us who see HP as a medium to long term investment, I think it would be more than worth it.
We could also set up some arrangement with Google to file bulk DCMAs to have these sites taken down.
Oh! I thought you make much much more
I definitely see HP as a long term investment and HP is not some small pop up; they're well established they could even negotiate with Copy sentry and offer the services to whoever pays and not everyone. I'm sure at least 100 of us would be willing to. If I'm willing then surely there are more.
Bulk DCMA's would be a superb idea but is google going to budge? It's surely worth the try. And google should ban the adsense id if it is repeated twice on two separate blogs or sites this will curb it loads
Most of these site that steals content do not display ads, at least non of the ones that stole mine didn't.
Hmm?? Then what do they get? Maybe they're just some rivals of HP or so. I thought they had ads etc..
It would be nice if someone could bump this thread every now and then so that a member of the HP team sees it.
Usually they use the articles to get google traffic.
Then once the website has a lot of google traffic and a good PR, they sell it to someone. The new owner might keep the website as-is and put in ads, or get rid of all content and put in new original stuff. Since the domain itself already has a strong presence (even if all its existing content was removed), that new owner's upcoming articles will benefit.
Here is the link for Disabling highlights on your own website:
and to disable right click:
If you're using WordPress then make sure that feeds are set to excerpts, so that scrapper can't use feeds to copy content. There are still other ways to copy but from typical scarper you can protect your content using these two scripts.
I agree about that denial part.
I have this website since 2003-04 which was copied to blogger and many other sites, so I started using these content protection jscripts, I don't have to worry about filing DMCA anymore because the scrapers aren't that smart atleast in my case. I am pretty much aware of the effects and my analytics isn't showing high bounce rate or less engagement for that site. In fact my stats shows exact opposite.
I also used Tynt to add attribution automatically when someone copies text from my site. Recently I learned that tynt sells publisher data to their partners so I stopped using it on my high traffic sites. Cufon fonts usage also makes it hard to copy content, there is still no data that says it increases bounce rate. Wait, Why am I wasting time explaining all this on HP ? so yeah excuse my low -life foolish content protecting attempts.
There is a big difference between protecting a blog's 100-400 posts and protecting HP's thousands of hubs. There is also a difference in the kind of scraper that attacks these sites.
Think about how many HP scrapers steal HUNDREDS of hubs? You really think that's done through highlight/right click? No. Now on a blog with far less articles, you will get mostly scrapers that use such an easy tactic.
For a blog, having scripts can help simply because of the type of scraper that is likely to go after you.
1) Scrapers are not after thousand of hubs from this site. They're after top ranked pages or pages with high paying keywords in it. Not every hub on this site is going to be ripped off by a bot. There are bots that copy only the aged and high performing hubs on this site to stuff either their article directory, niche blog or forums.
2) If you bother to check all my previous posts, I never said that It's possible to stop all types of scrapers. I am pretty much aware of most of the scraper tools out there.
*sigh* If y'all want to try to convince HP to put on anti highlighting and right clicking scripts, be my guest.
I'd rather improve detection, but I guess that's too passive for most people's tastes.
Who knows...maybe the HP scrapers are that technologically naive and it will help...Maybe my visits at the BHW forum are clouding my ability to judge the common scraper.
Nobody on HP forum is trying to convince HP for using any scripts. In fact they're asking for detection of scraper content. There used to be one python script that helped detect copies but it was shutdown by the hubber due to server costs. Not many folks can afford running plagiarism tool on their own because cost is the factor especially if you have more than 1000 pages per site (many of us here do have that much pages per domain). So we stop the most obvious plagiarist with scripts.
If you lurk on BHW forums then I'm sure you're aware of offshore hosting plans that many members offer on that site. These offshore hosts ignore DMCAs or any other takedown notices because servers are hosted in regions which can't be threatened by any US based legal notice. Only thing you can do against them is report to adsense and kill their account. There's also solution to that too on BHW forums as many VIP members offer alternate adsense account, so detection +dmca or any other action is useless against them.
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