Argumentum Ad Lapidem

Jump to Last Post 1-3 of 3 discussions (8 posts)
  1. Phil Perez profile image61
    Phil Perezposted 7 years ago

    The fallacy, " that consists in dismissing a statement as absurd without giving proof of its absurdity." as quoted by Wikipedia has gotten me thinking because I usually come across people, namely, my friends who argue that perception is a valid argument to contradict reason. It's been bothering me actually because instead of logically reasoning against my arguments they brush it off by saying, "yeah, but that's your perception of things." It's really frustrating because they cannot come up with any counter argument or find enough reason to refute.

    An example of this was something that happened to me last night by one of my friends. She made the claim that I was egotistical, and obviously anyone who has the least bit of intelligence would wonder why, by figuring if that person has enough evidence to support that claim. I, then asked why and she dodged my question several times by saying it was her "perception" and how she "felt." She was worried about judging me and was taking my sensitivity into account when I clearly asked to disregard my feelings and just explain why. I never got my answer. She was able to walk away, unburdening herself from the responsibility of answering.

    Does anyone have similar experiences? Moreover, how does anyone feel when someone does this or do you think you do something similar?

    1. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Some people have a hard time articulating their thoughts. I'm one of them. I doubt she really knew "why" she thought what she did.

      1. Phil Perez profile image61
        Phil Perezposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Yeah, she seemed confused after telling me I was egotistical. I guess she figured she'd get more support from one of my other friends who might have agreed. But unfortunately they were not able to on account that their argument was the same as hers.

        I have a difficult time articulating thoughts sometimes too, but I'm sure you know what you want to say before just blurring out what comes to mind!
        Also she's under 20 so that might be a factor, I'm not sure.

  2. wrenchBiscuit profile image69
    wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years ago

    The historical record clearly shows that the majority have never been able to think or reason in a manner that might provide the most accurate explanation of why they feel a particular way, or why their definition of reality often ignores obvious irreconcilable contradictions. I encounter this all the time: online as well as in the flesh. I have come to accept it as an unfortunate fact of life.

    But jealousy also plays a role in this. Many who have difficulty grasping certain concepts become threatened when they encounter someone who is more confident; someone who demonstrates a higher understanding, and who can can more clearly articulate, and freely express themselves. But I learned many years ago that it is to my advantage to move toward, and to willingly defer myself to those who are above my station, as common sense should tell us that we can learn more from a wise man than from a simpleton.

    1. Phil Perez profile image61
      Phil Perezposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I have to agree, it is unfortunate, and although she may be right claiming I'm egotistical, she ironically proves my point because I become a bit more arrogant when seemingly smart people cannot rebut against or support their claims and/or arguments.
      I mean I should learn to be more modest or humble (whatever you want to call it) but it's difficult knowing that you know more than others and not having the attitude that goes with it.

      1. wrenchBiscuit profile image69
        wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        I understand completely. But there is no need to be apologetic, or worry what people think of you. An intelligent man  hears your words, and is not threatened by another man's wit, or genius. As the old song goes" God Bless The Child Whose Got His Own". When a man is comfortable with himself, he may be amused, or entertained by another man's bravado, but that is all.

        A majority of these hypocrites who champion modesty would turn and run, should  a hungry man in the street ask them for a morsel of bread. Furthermore, if a homeless man came to their house asking for shelter, they would call the police and have him arrested for vagrancy,even if his name was Jesus. Besides, there is a difference between arrogance, and understanding. An arrogant man may truly be intelligent, to a degree, but he will also feel superior to all others. A man who simply acknowledges to himself, or the world, that he is gifted, talented, beautiful, or intelligent , but does not harbor feelings of superiority, is not arrogant at all. He is only stating the facts; which is what Muhammed Ali was famous for. He would often say: " I'm pretty", "I'm the greatest", "I'm the champion". Well, guess what? As far as I'm concerned, he was!

  3. Thomas Swan profile image96
    Thomas Swanposted 7 years ago

    What an interesting fallacy. I think it can quite easily become `argumentum ad populum' when someone adds that any other person would also find it absurd.

    1. Phil Perez profile image61
      Phil Perezposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      It is a very interesting fallacy, Thomas! Unfortunately, I experienced it in the way I did not enjoy all that much. Haha.


This website uses cookies

As a user in the EEA, your approval is needed on a few things. To provide a better website experience, uses cookies (and other similar technologies) and may collect, process, and share personal data. Please choose which areas of our service you consent to our doing so.

For more information on managing or withdrawing consents and how we handle data, visit our Privacy Policy at:

Show Details
HubPages Device IDThis is used to identify particular browsers or devices when the access the service, and is used for security reasons.
LoginThis is necessary to sign in to the HubPages Service.
Google RecaptchaThis is used to prevent bots and spam. (Privacy Policy)
AkismetThis is used to detect comment spam. (Privacy Policy)
HubPages Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide data on traffic to our website, all personally identifyable data is anonymized. (Privacy Policy)
HubPages Traffic PixelThis is used to collect data on traffic to articles and other pages on our site. Unless you are signed in to a HubPages account, all personally identifiable information is anonymized.
Amazon Web ServicesThis is a cloud services platform that we used to host our service. (Privacy Policy)
CloudflareThis is a cloud CDN service that we use to efficiently deliver files required for our service to operate such as javascript, cascading style sheets, images, and videos. (Privacy Policy)
Google Hosted LibrariesJavascript software libraries such as jQuery are loaded at endpoints on the or domains, for performance and efficiency reasons. (Privacy Policy)
Google Custom SearchThis is feature allows you to search the site. (Privacy Policy)
Google MapsSome articles have Google Maps embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
Google ChartsThis is used to display charts and graphs on articles and the author center. (Privacy Policy)
Google AdSense Host APIThis service allows you to sign up for or associate a Google AdSense account with HubPages, so that you can earn money from ads on your articles. No data is shared unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
Google YouTubeSome articles have YouTube videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
VimeoSome articles have Vimeo videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
PaypalThis is used for a registered author who enrolls in the HubPages Earnings program and requests to be paid via PayPal. No data is shared with Paypal unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
Facebook LoginYou can use this to streamline signing up for, or signing in to your Hubpages account. No data is shared with Facebook unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
MavenThis supports the Maven widget and search functionality. (Privacy Policy)
Google AdSenseThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Google DoubleClickGoogle provides ad serving technology and runs an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Index ExchangeThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
SovrnThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Facebook AdsThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Amazon Unified Ad MarketplaceThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
AppNexusThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
OpenxThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Rubicon ProjectThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
TripleLiftThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Say MediaWe partner with Say Media to deliver ad campaigns on our sites. (Privacy Policy)
Remarketing PixelsWe may use remarketing pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to advertise the HubPages Service to people that have visited our sites.
Conversion Tracking PixelsWe may use conversion tracking pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to identify when an advertisement has successfully resulted in the desired action, such as signing up for the HubPages Service or publishing an article on the HubPages Service.
Author Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide traffic data and reports to the authors of articles on the HubPages Service. (Privacy Policy)
ComscoreComScore is a media measurement and analytics company providing marketing data and analytics to enterprises, media and advertising agencies, and publishers. Non-consent will result in ComScore only processing obfuscated personal data. (Privacy Policy)
Amazon Tracking PixelSome articles display amazon products as part of the Amazon Affiliate program, this pixel provides traffic statistics for those products (Privacy Policy)
ClickscoThis is a data management platform studying reader behavior (Privacy Policy)