Would truth and logic exist or coexist without a mind to perceive them?

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  1. PhoenixV profile image65
    PhoenixVposted 18 months ago

    Would truth and logic exist or coexist without a mind to perceive them?

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    Norine Williamsposted 18 months ago

    John 6:63-64 "It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth NOTHING:  the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.  But there are some of you that BELIEVETH not.  For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that BELIEVED NOT, and who would betray him."

    The Holy Spirit "accidentally" made my eyes fall of this Scripture this morning!  Hallelujah!  Y'all, if you would "look" you would "see" the Power of the LORD working through me!  Thank you Jesus!

    Taking John 6:63 into consideration, GOD SAID [paraphrasing] "the spirit quickeneth" not *our* "logic" to determine TRUTH!  Proverbs 3:5 asks us to "Trust in the LORD with "ALL" thine heart and lean NOT unto *thine own* understanding!"  Therefore, where does "logic" fit in? Since He said in John 6:63 "...the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life" it would behoove us to "STUDY" (II Timothy 2:15) to find out what those "Words" are!

    The only "mind" we should have is "the mind of Christ" which is the Word of God or what is stated in Scripture!  No one BELIEVES, but the WORD is GOD SPEAKING (John 1:1; "...and the Word was God.")!  GOD SPEAKS through HIS WORD telling us how to obtain "HIS mind!"  Romans 12:2 tells us we should "renew our minds" from "logic" and *our* thinking and substitute with HIS WORD. We were told in Philippians 2:5 to "Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus!"  However, how can we have "the mind of Christ" if we allow *our* logic enter and not take into consideration ONLY what the Word of God says? 

    It HARD for man to "give up" and allow the Holy Spirit "lead and guide" (John 14:26)!  It's unbelievable to man that the Holy Spirit has that capability but we're talking the ALMIGHTY GOD who created the heavens and earth!  We're talking our Creator and "Who knows the mind of Christ" and who has enough "knowledge" to teach Him" (I Corinthians 2:16)?  In comparison to GOD, who are we? What "peanut brained" mind can compare?  No way can we compare to HIS WAYS!  No way can we come close to HIS thinking!  Why do we "think" we are "intelligent" enough to "try and figure it out?"  Ecclesiastes 8:17 says "Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labor to seek it out, yet he shall NOT FIND IT; yea farther; though a WISE MAN *think* to know it, yet shall he NOT be able to find it." 

    Why waste *your* time!  Let Holy Spirit "LEAD!"

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      Norine Williamsposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Elijah: Your recent HUB confirms you do not "Walk in the Spirit!"  You declare yourself "a genius" by "leaning to your own understanding!"

    2. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      I am so pleased to know you are the spirit and given righteous judgments.

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      Norine Williamsposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      When I give the Word of God, it's not *me* but *GOD* speaking!  Did He not say "Trust in the LORD w/ALL your heart & lean not to your *own* understanding"(Prov3:5) yet u declare yourself "genius?"  WORD (aka GOD) "judges;" not *I*! 
      *I* "remind!

    4. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Your first post is from you, not HS. HS wrote that through me so why are you judging HS? I did not say I am a genius, who is able to declare them or another a genius? I'm not so reread that and see I didn't say "I am a Genius".

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      Norine Williamsposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      I don't care how u word it; "maybe" "might be;" you still "boast"
      Jm4:16 "But now u rejoice in your boastings; all such rejoicing is evil."

    6. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      I'm boasting that I have surrendered my mind to HS, that's the only boasting I'm doing, thank you for judging HS.

  3. The0NatureBoy profile image45
    The0NatureBoyposted 18 months ago

    Nothing is existence can exist without a means of perceiving it. Truth can not exist with out misinformation being there to magnify it, logic cannot exist without ignorance being there as its magnifier, therefore, a mind to perceive both halves has to exist or neither exists.  It is the mind which provides their nomenclatures anyway.

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      Norine Williamsposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Spoken like a "man" who operates "in the flesh!"

      And so is "the world" too "prideful" to "give up" to the spirit!  Ask yourself; Which is greater "flesh or spirit?"
      This answer ignores the Word of God (Prov3:5) & shows TOTAL IGNORANCE of spirit!

    2. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      NW,
      It does obey the Proverb "in all your getting get understanding" and since man are the union of spirit and flesh our responses should reflect both flesh and spirit.

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      Norine Williamsposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      "Understanding" fm HS not *us!*
      When we "walk in the spirit" it OVERRULES "flesh" or Galatians 5:16 has LIED saying that we "would not fulfill the things of the flesh!"   
      LISTEN TO  SCRIPTURE!

    4. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      As/if you grow you will find out your error, NW.

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      Norine Williamsposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      We were COMMANDED to "Walk in the Spirit [so that] ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh!"  Although we KNOW "...the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, & the Spirit against the flesh..."(Gal5:16-17)! Now when YOU "grow up" (Spiritually), u ca

    6. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Since Spirit's name is I AM THAT I AM, when man isn't walking it spirit somethings walkers in IT do will appear to then to be fleshly although spirit directed it to be done. See "MY NEW CHILDHOOD" on my website.

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      Norine Williamsposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      The point of "Walking in the Spirit" is to "Keep your mind stayed on Jesus" or what He's said (IIPet1:3) regarding any situation (aka WWJD) as "not to lust after the things of the flesh" & if so, what 1 "looks like" to another WILL look Christlik

    8. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Walking in spirit means having completely surrendered ever fiber of our being to spirit, as I have, so every though perceived worldly we inquire of spirit before doing it. Thus, it's having totally surrounded to Spirit by being directed by it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      "The flesh lusteth against the thgs of the Spirit"(Gal5:17) & as we "change from glory to glory" (IICor3:18) based on our FAITH ("fm faith 2 faith";Rm1:17) we drop off unrighteousness & begin to look & act Christlike. No one is ALL righte

    10. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Though flesh lust's against spirit WHEN OUR BEING'S EVERY FIBER IS SURRENDERED spirit CONTROLS lust. WWJD is flesh imagining if Christ would do, walkers in spirit ask spirit what to do at cross and Y's in the road is giving it to spirit.

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      Norine Williamsposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      "Spirit worketh in us"(Titus2:12) & "we" don't "DO" but SPIRIT changes us (IICor3:18)! We're clay; He's Potter(Jer18:4) as we "SURRENDER" to His will! He "tells us what to do"(Jn14:26)! We "HUMBLE OURSELVES" & "obey His commands"(Jer31:33-35)

    12. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      What do those scriptures mean? Give what scriptures mean to you. Yoshua's words, "I'm in the Father & the Father is in me" & "follow me" says spirit controlled him and will us like him if we're surrendered to it as Jer 31:33 means.

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      Norine Williamsposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      They are ONE(Jn10:30)! "Follow Me" means follow Holy Spirit's Voice (aka "commands")! He was the Holy Spirit (aka GOD) walking around on earth (Jn1:10;14) in the flesh(aka Jesus Christ)! Man has taught different but SAME SPIRIT(ICor12)!

 
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