If Jesus Christ is God in the flesh, is He then one being in heaven?
I always thought Jesus was the son of God, in all actuallty. I never knew the meaning of "the son of God" until just now. So now I realize that God came in human form and was called Jesus, Jesus and God are the same. So knowing that God didn't make a son he became a son I am confused. In heaven, Is God one being, or is God and Jesus (his human form) both up/out there seperately?
In 325.AD the Christian elders met is Nicaea to determine who is Jesus. The debate concentrated on two points of view. One of these suggested that Jesus was a man who reached the highest spiritual state. The other opposing view was that Jesus the only Son of God and is God. This view that Jesus was the only Son God won the debate. Eventually those Christian elders who opposed this views were hunted down and killed as heretics by those who won the debate. Therefore Christians today believe that Jesus was the only Son of God and he is also God.
I don't see the creditability of those who kill others because they see Jesus in a different light. Furthermore the definition of Son means that he must have a father and a mother. That raises an interesting question. So who did God marry in Heaven to have his legitimate Son of God?
I believe that Jesus was just human who has acquired the highest spiritual state. He is not the only one. Others live in obscurity.
When man dies, his soul, mind and a form of the body all goes to heaven. The earthly body of human returns back to earth where it came from upon one's death.
The Trinity is one of those areas taken by faith and understood little. It's not an area I can explain well, but Jesus is the second person in the Godhead Trinity. They are Three yet One.
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. " Jesus is the Word made flesh, so the Word in this verse speaks of Jesus Christ.
Each has his own purpose within the Godhead. You can see all Three acting at once during the baptism of Jesus. Jesus is in the sight of all the people and was baptized. God, the Holy Spirit, descended on Him "like" a dove (many people tend to think He is a bird). God, the Father, spoke audibly of His approval of Jesus (God, the Son).
Luke 3:21-22 "21Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 22And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased."
All three were together in the beginning. Jesus wasn't created but is the Creator. John 1:1-3 "1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
It can be a difficult concept to grasp. I don't think we'll understand fully until we're in His presence. Maybe someone else will be able to expand and clarify.
I hope that helps some.
Why would you answer this question when you don't even believe in Jesus as the Son of God? On what authority do you answer this question, since you present an antheistic or deterministic view point?
I am currently working a hub that helps explain the Trinity for better understanding.
Obelia, glad you jumped in to shed some light and truth here. Bless you
Yes and no. Yes, he is a being of flesh and bone in heaven. Yes, he is a god in the sense that we worship him and accept him as the Infinite Atonement, the Intercessory and the only One by whom we are able to return to the Eternal Father.
The Trinity consists of three distinct and separate people. God the Eternal Father exists with flesh and bone. Jesus Christ exists with his own flesh and bone. The Holy Ghost exists as a spirit. His function is to bear witness within our hearts and minds of the divinity of the Father and the Son. The are three but they work AS one. They are of one purpose and mission.
It is only through Jesus Christ that we are able to dwell with the Father again and to inherit the joy that He is magnified in. It is all dependent upon our individual worthiness. Father wants us to be happy and to have joy without boundaries. In essence to bear endless posterity in the eternities. That is joy! The joy we gain in raising and watching our young grow and make good decisions is just the beginning. Eternal joy would be to take that witness of growth and multiply it by infinity. This is joy! This is eternal exaltation as Father designed our beings to accomplish.
All power and authority runs through God the Eternal Father. Jesus Christ receives his power and authority through the Eternal Father. "His is a house of order." Jesus Christ prayed unto the Father in Gethsemane and elsewhere. He did not pray to himself.
His life was a simple example to us. It was never intended to be a shroud of mystery. His relationship with the Eternal Father is not all unlike our relationships with our own mortal parents. Their's is perfected though.
See: GOD'S MANIFESTATIONS: THE HOLY SPIRIT AND JESUS CHRIST
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The word "Trinity" was not found in the Bible. God is Spirit and not a person, the Holy Spirit is Spirit and not a person.
Only Jesus qualified as a person.
Trinity describes three persons as One. How do you get three persons, when two of them are described as Spirits?
Read the hub suggested to get your answer.
Peace and blessings!
Most of the time, the words become a barrier in understanding God. It could be said, everything is God (his manifestation). Water is a liquid when it is in room temperature. Becomes ice when freezes, becomes vapour when heated up. Are these things different?
Philosophical analysis will not give a satisfactory answer. We need to realize the truth. Self-realization is the way!
There were many "jesus" around that time. His story was just the one that lasted.
theres probably no god so stop worry about it and enjoy your life
I like jeyaprakash84 example with the water, ice, and vapor. The trouble is that we don't really understand or have the words to describe something in the physical that is really spiritual. Some times science fiction has a better understanding.
Yes I use to watch a lot of science fiction. There was an episode of smallville where a boy was able to clone himself. This can even be seen in the movie sky high where a cheer leader was able to make numerous clones of herself. When the boy and cheerleader did, the clone looked identical, they were the same person, but yet each clone could act on its own. But with the trinity as shown with Jesus on the cross, the entities can be totally separated, and one can turn's its back on the other. Yet, Jesus was still in the will of God. God will always trump science fiction.
I know it was shown more so in smallville than in sky high, that the boy and his clone were aware of each other. Even when they were miles apart, they still knew what the other was doing. For example the boy was out on a date with a girl, while his clone was in the city robbing a bank. They could set up attacks and ambushes without having to talk to each other. Each was aware of what was around the other.
It helps to remember anything is possible with God. If anything is possible for him to separate himself into three entities and still be the same entity. The entities are aware of each other, and can act independently or in unison with each other. I also remember it being explained using a three leaf clover. There are three leaves on the plant, but yet it is still only one plant.
Remember our bodies on this Earth will not be the same once we die. When Jesus came back from the dead, he could disappear and reappear at will, walk through walls, didn't need to eat or drink, and floated up in the air. Who knows what else he could have done.
In the Book of Revelations when it describes the throne of God, even the angels don't know or understand all the mystery's of God.
But with the trinity as shown with Jesus on the cross, the entities can be totally separated, and one can turn's its back on the other. Really? The "flesh" was talking the Spirit of God did not turn His back on Jesus! God is not "Trinity" He is MORE
There is God the Father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit. God is three in one called the Holy Trinity. God did send his son Jesus to earth as a human to pay the price for our sins on the cross. Yes Jesus is in heaven at the right hand of God the Father.
See ii3rittles you have to worship and study scripture "in spirit" and not carnally! Think of A Spiritual being - God who can change Himself into anything anytime anyplace simultaneously if He desires then you may be able to understand the Many Different "Roles" of God!
The problem is "religion" has confused believers! God manifests Himself in different "Roles" (more than 3 - The Trinity) throughout the scriptures! But in the dispensation in which WE now live, the New Covenant, under Grace and Truth, Jesus rules!
Remember in Matthew 28:18 Jesus said, "All authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth." So where is God if all authority has been given to Jesus? Yes, Jesus is One Spirit in heaven, in the "Role" of gathering the Church in OUR dispensation! "Sitting on the right hand of God" means sitting in righteousness (for God is a Spirit) and not a little Jesus sitting on the right hand side of a big God!
To make it more confusing, one day "reconciliation" will take place and Jesus will move out of His "Role" and revert back to how it was in the beginning so God can be "all in all." (I Corinthians 5:24-28)
The only way you can understand this is to read Scripture with spiritual eyes; this is what Jesus wants us to do! (John 4:23)
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