I am a community college history teacher, and I have found that it can be tricky to discuss recent historical events. It is difficult, after all, to know which recent events and trends will ultimately matter. So what do you think that future history books will discuss when covering 1990-2010?
Final flight of Atlantis the ending of the space-shuttle program.
it will be recorded as turbulent times, economically here in the US, as well as in the different parts of the world. like Euro etc. effect of globalization and world trade repercussions
world history -- nuclear arms -- Iran and N Korea, fight with terrorism, economic dependency -- Chinese monopoly of global markets
it depends who writes history -- it will be shape that way -- either which sides for example they want to highlight --
In the US -- effect of 9/11 and mostly the economic depression and Obama -- first president black
US is still the world power politically but not economically
Sorry Freeway Flyer for going so far off post. It was fun though. The answer to your question is that whoever the winner is will determine what history is written. Just consider who that winner might be and you can speculate what history will be written. And anyway, who cares, there must be better things to worry about.
Wow, this topic has gone off in some interesting directions. I don't know if it's a question of winners and losers. The economies of the U.S. and China are so intertwined that it is becoming hard to tell the difference between them. Our mutual dependence on each other might be the best thing for keeping peace. Plus, China has some major issues to deal with on the horizon - their messed up environment, aging population, big differences between those who benefit from modernizing vs. those who are still peasants, etc.
I'm surprised that no one (I think) has said much about the internet age and its growing impact. (Although free porn has come up quite a bit ) Maybe virtual reality porn will be arriving soon.
"Maybe virtual reality porn will be arriving soon."
REALLY?? WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD!?!?!?
I'm not well informed about this general area, but I'm thinking that if anything like the "holodeck" on Star Trek is ever developed, sex would be the primary use.
In regards to America, I think future historians will say that for a civiliztion that was so great, they turned out to be not so bright or loving what with corporate pilfering and such.
Read all of FDR error , all the books pro and con, and watch. We seem to be repeating it step for step. The banking Mistakes, the Goverment over controls, the CZARS in place of all the new deal federal acts.... we did not learn anything. Its 1933 re-visited "hey Buddy can you spare a dime!" I beleive the song will go, with the word dollar substituted for dime!!!!!
Nothing new, just old hash re-visited. Its a shame, we can not advance for going backwards. Thank you Harvard and Columbia. progressives take a bow!
Jon in nashville
Once again a quick peek into the mind of Greek One!
And that's the problem, you think that history is about the US. History will not care anything about a mere US President.
Dude, the stage is yours. Go ahead and mess it up.
Considering what happened the last time when Europe and the Chinese were in conflict, I'm glad we're out of the way.
Don't need to you've already done that. We did it before you and you did not learn from us (the UK). We have no say in the world although our politicians seem to think we have. You will be the same. We think we have influence in Europe - what a joke that is. History is written by the winners and we have both lost.
What you're double losers? You're not even going to go in with the coming of the European nations?
Heck no, we can be losers by ourselves, we don't need help from you. Go stand near the Europeans and bother them.
Leave us alone.. we are busy searching for internet porn
The British can lead you to something better...S & M!
hockey is religion... if you will check your Biblical stories, there was often violence
Check out the "Book of Stanley" .. i think it comes right after Exodus
It must be in a revised Canadian version only.
The Jewish version? Well that explains why we Christians haven't heard about it.
Hockey on ice is ice-hockey. Hockey is played on grass.
Hockey is Ice Hockey
Field Hockey is what sissies do when they aren't man enough to play baseball
Greek One, the dude is British and that explains everything.
Baseball is big men playing rounders! That's a woman's game over here. They should take up cricket with a really hard ball!
We know that British women can be mistaken for men, we get it.
I must admit I've sometimes done that - mistaken a 'British' woman for a man. They're not as bad as the eastern Europeans though - that's why I'd prefer not to stand with them.
Dude, the guys say it's all the same in the dark.
In North America, most men don't like playing with hard balls
But if you like objects coming at you at 100 miles an hour, then you should try playing in net for a hockey (ice hockey) team
Why has he got a mask on? Wuz! Just like your 'football' players that need all that girlie padding to stop them getting hurt and oxygen every time they run five yards.
It's a public (private for you) version of lacrosse.
You agree then that we are so much more sexually sophisticated.
Oh yeah holding your pinky out while you drink your tea...much more!
Babe that's not sexual sophistication over here. It might be where you come from though!
Jerami gets it. Empires fall. Those within the empire do not see it coming until it is too late. I am not offering the handouts you are already getting them from China. Standing next to Europe is just as bad as standing with the US. You trashed our economy with your bankers greed but then we should have seen that coming so it is our own fault.
History has repeated itself, but can you see it?
Dude, don't worry I'm taking your word for it. Now go lead the Canadians to some S&M!
Really! Wow...I didn't realize about the handouts...If we're an empire where's all the slaves and treasure and stuff, why ain't we conquering instead of rebuilding.
We trashed your economy...boy I feel so powerful.
P.S. Next big corrupt plan -underhand basketball
If you don't know where the slaves and treasure are you are more ignorant than I thought. Look to your poor and to your rich for they know where to look. Ask Bush where his treasure came from. Do you know that each American is in hock to the Chinese for half a million dollars each (man, woman and child) - is that enough of a hand-out for you?
Now I know you don't just pull this crap out of thin air...or you may be as ignorant as I think.
I don't owe the Chinese anything.
Course I like the food, but I pay cash.
If we don't blow the planet up first ...
America will still have a place in the history books.
It will probably be compaired to the Kingdom of Rome and in our last geneation (70 years) similar to the Roman Empire which fell so quickly, but no one can pinpoint the exact date that its decline began.
Flightkeeper, Well, now. I think that's a stretch to say that President Obama is the worst president the US has ever had. So, why do you think he's the worst president? His term isn't up and the Republicans give him such a hard time. Quiet as it's kept the President doesn't have a whole lot to do with job creation. Some maybe, but not 100%. Actually, the president doesn't run the country by himself. He/she has to contend with Congress! This is not a dictatorship although close with GW.
They will record the death-throws of another superpower and the coming of the Asian nations and European nations once again. China owns America now. The European Community has a greater buying power than the US. The US is dying and the historians that write the history will not be those from the US so I would stop worrying about it. There will be no US influence outside your own borders so your history will be completely insular.
All right let the good times roll! The Europeans and The Chinese can fight it out now
What makes you think they need to fight? Oh yes you are American. It has been a bloodless battle and your President was looking the other way when it took place. Lining his own nest whilst putting on a jingoist face. You blinked, got greedy, and lost the lot. Hand-outs will be on the way soon, don't worry.
Cool. I can't wait for the handouts.
As for fights? Yeah, I can see Europe not fighting the Chinese, which mean they'll probably walk all over you just like in the last climate change convention in Europe. Can't wait to watch it, I'm gonna be ready with the popcorn!
Humagia, there's a saying that the winner writes history, so if we're not careful China will tell the story of the hunt an how we screwed our country up in one way by outsourcing so much of work. Not everyone can be or wants to be highly educated, so there needs to be jobs for the working people.
I wish they'd get it over with, my husband is with his squadron in Japan...they're always telling him to be ready in case someone attacks someone else...I'd be glad to have him home.
Naturally, the Hands Off era will not begin until the internet porn era is first over
Ooooph, that was a bit underhand! That's our entry for Miss World!
I thought Camila was going to be your rep (by the way, which one is she again??) lol
The one on the right - Charles just can't get a word in edgeways. Just shows you what you can achieve with good bloodstock and a little in-breeding.
The one on the left won the Epsom Derby just 3 weeks ago. That filly will be running in the Kentucky Derby and no doubt giving a good showing, especially if a fox runs across the course!
And one of our greatest exports. Be thankful that the British have arrived with some talent (vocally at least).
send over the fish and chip... keep your boyles lol
Now that's something I do admire about the UK ...their talent.
This will be remembered as the end of the antibiotic age. If any of you were following the news from India you will know what I am talking about.
The Americans probably don't have a clue what you are talking about as it is a British thing, going to India for cheap surgery - they go to Mexico. You might want to explain the emergence of a greater superbug than MRSA. But good point all the same.
I don't recall saying everyone was going to be Chinese. When the US was a superpower everyone did not become American. Although, come to think of it, a great swathe of idiots thought it was cool to act as if they were Americans. America for Americanisms, China for their culture - it's now just a matter of where the money lies that determines who the winner is. You had it, now you don't. We had it, now we don't. Power moves with the money men. Money moves.
Superpowers no longer exist on the back of military invasion. America has not been able to expand it's 'empire' by 'taking over' countries: Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan should be 'proof' of this. Where the US took superpower status was on economic and a monetary basis. Although technically bankrupt it was able to wield monetary might because the US consumer could afford to prop up the system. The Chinese will not 'take' the US militarily (nor anywhere else for that matter). It does not need to. The economies of the Asian continent (China and India) are forging ahead at getting on for 10% growth per annum on the back of huge populations being paid low wages whilst at the same time seeing savings and investment from that populace. The savings have been ploughed into foreign investment by the Government. Large proportions of business in the US (UK and elsewhere) now relies on the investment made by the Chinese. It has been a business 'takeover' and is unlikely to be a military or cultural takeover. China is astute enough to know that English (the language) is the language of business and commerce but, you may be correct that English will transform (as all languages do) with it's use by others than the native speakers. The US has American English, Australia has Australian English, but there are Pidgen English variants spoken in the Asian Continent that may well become the 'norm' for English, over time.
Don't worry, the support of the Chinese currency for your economy can assist you in your transition from arrogant aggressor to superpower also-ran. Look at the UK and learn: we were that arrogant beast that then relied on US money to survive through the World War II and beyond (in hock to you until only ecently). But do not rely on the Chinese to be there forever for all superpowers / empires fall.
I do not believe I am naive on this issue just sanguine and sad that you guys have not learned from history that once arrogance ensues, that is the beginning of the end. Good luck over the next decade. It will be tough. But after that, when the reality bites you may adapt to the new reality.
And history will be written to show that economic blunders and foreign policy were your downfall (as well as not being fully informed or aware of what your Government was doing in your name). I should know, I live in the UK where exactly the same thing happened to us!
The future of history ! One would think that with the newfound "quality ' of the media and communication , that history would be more accurate [tomorrows]. But I don't think so. TOO much over analysis and agenda-izing detail will prevail then ,like now. who said 'it's all about interpretation'. History is written by the "loudest" writers......
What will History Books of the Future say about the past 20 years....
The Civil Rights Movement seemed to do some good but it's quite questionable whether or not the Equal Rights Amendment did anything for women.
The Economic Surges of the 1980's skyrocketed to unbelievable levels and brought the Stock Market down by over 50% in the year 2008.
Entertainment became the name of the game with football legends being cleared of murder charges, pop superstars being charged with child molestation, and numerous actors, young and old alike, either spending a short amount of time in jail or being heard spouting their mouths off on camera or other recording devices.
All of this was made possible by what was once known as the Information Super Highway.
(that was fun!)
I think that history will not be particularly kind to todays poeple, we have all possible information at our fingertips , We live in an age of mass information and a medium to deliver it , and yet? I know that evolution takes time , but all of us especially our youth , constantly have to reinvent the wheels of social and intellectual progress. I guess that common sense comes with only life experience and cannot be "taught", Our media is exactly what has been predicted by futuristic movies and books, sensationalism and adgendas of pure hypocracy reign supreme. Not enough advancement to offset the swirl of the toilet, so to speak.
"Die, die, miss american pie. this will be the day that I die"
History in terms of Empires will remember all those that we remember today, Babylonia for going too far, Egypt for pyramids, Persia for exotic belly dancing, Greece for intelligence with arrogance , etc, America will be remebered for failed aggression and greed.
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