The 'individual' challenge.
This is Excellent! Keep going!
If anyone was guessing, he is talking about me. You are supposed to rid the individual, not promote them.
No publicity is bad publicity.Oh Sooner, you should do one where the sentence contains "logic". Those sentences usually contain very little of it!
Flightkeeper, type "individual logic" in the search bar. haha
can't make this stuff up.No way!
That was too funny...and silly! And the two words together don't make even make any sense Oh boy
I guess I missed it when you started this one.
Not that I am happy with Marine's 'little experiment', but he did force a point in front of the class. We think too much as a group and not enough as individuals.
Check out the thread ... another person responded congratulating Marine on being saved. They did so without reading the thread at all ... because they have been trained to congratulate a person for being saved, and no ignore the many posts in the thread that speak out to the contrary.
I think the idea of individualism is threatening because believers see it as 4.5 billion individual churches opening up, each with their own road to ascension. The fact is, a man's relationship with God has and was always meant to be intimate and personal.
Noah never attended a church, nor did Adam or Moses. They spoke to God privately and believed as they felt they should. Their beliefs were individualistic, as no one was there to tell them how they should believe.
For many years I was like you. minding over the crops of my neighbors as I saw them unfit to handle a plow, but when I let it all go I discovered my own crop had run foul from neglect, making me a poor choice to be followed.
That's when I decided to mind my own crops and only offer advice when encouraged to do so ... and my harvests have been bountiful ever since.
We ARE individuals, so we must have an individual relationship with God. And should they chose to ignore or disbelieve in God, well, that's a decision that only affects them, and none of us can be totally certain it might not have any affect at all.
Have any of us witnessed a sinner burn in purgatory with our own eyes? Have any of us seen a person ascend to heaven? We accept the Bible and everything in it with faith because we feel we have proven it to ourselves as true ... and we must allow others the chance to do the same.
Had God wanted us all to believe the same then we would have all been born of the same womb. God respects individualism ... and what proof do I have of that? Because God created individualism on day one when he made Adam and Eve, instead of two like-minded Adams.
Given that Adam would never age nor die, there was never a reason to create a being so different from himself, unless individualism had been the true intent.
And for the non-believers it's an easier leap ... As we are not exact clones of each other, it's obvious nature favors randomness and would expect us to behave as individuals.Then you don't know history well ... I was the one that outed him on the first page and me and marine have rarely seen eye to eye in the past. I do, however, agree with him on the fact that faith CAN be blind, but I do not subscribe to the point that ALL faith is blind.
Case in point ... I'm a believer, as is Thetruthhurts. We both outed the hoax immediately, but people wouldn't believe what we had to say because Thetruthhurts is often seen as the zealot and I'm often seen as a non-believer because I believe in evolution.
What me and Thetruthhurts both agree on is that none of us has all of the answers and that when something doesn't seem quite right we question it.
That was the point of my post ... we all knew marine's previous views and yet few questioned his miraculous transformation, even when people were stating it was all a hoax. We want so much to believe in change that we are willing to get suckered in ... and I know that's the frustration you feel right now, as you see yourself as no more than a sap that got taken.
That's why I kept digging at Marine to out the truth as I knew how others would see his deceit when it was finally fully exposed, and I knew how it would hurt and anger people ... and I didn't want to see things build up to that.
I genuinely like people and I am very protective of those around me. Because of that nature, I'll do anything in my power to stop one person from hurting the feelings of another when it's within my power to do so. Unfortunately, faith trumped the truth I was offering, and many saw me as picking on Marine for being saved. Nothing could prove further from the truth, as I have congratulated others for being saved, when I knew the statement to be true.
It's not my job to look out for others, but I do accept it as part of what I am. Case in point, when Spiderpam was being called names. While we don't see eye to eye on many things, I still respect her as a human being and stood up for her when she was being oppressed.
As a believer you can't pick your battles ... you stick up for anyone who is being oppressed, despite your differences with that person.
Just like now, if someone were to come into this thread and start calling you names. I would see if you had given them enough reason to do so (had you called them names in the past or wronged them grievously?). If I found you were being wronged unfairly I would defend you to the hilt.
What Marinealways did in that thread was wrong, but the message was one many of us needed to hear ... never follow blindly ... justify each step by assuring that the ground you chose to step upon is truly there.
By that I mean ... always seek proof for everything ... and your faith will become that much stronger, as you will prove it to yourself every day.
- TMinutposted 13 years ago
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Genesis through Revelation.
Why? You're unarmed and have no bible knowledge, just straw. Quick someone light a match!
- Yep that must be it.
- Scott.Lifeposted 13 years ago0
Oh look if only you could cut and paste hubs you'd be more well liked, but at least we can see that you can count.
- Scott.Lifeposted 13 years ago0
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are we starting overI start over everyday, there's nothing wrong with you, and I got no problem with you. passions run deep and spark words, enough said. Seriously I gotta go, you all behave.
I can't. I think you know more than me. must be all your experience in the world. chuckle
have you started mopping up your messes?- Justine76posted 13 years ago0
- thetruthhurts2009posted 13 years ago0
Double yawn!! You're still here? Its working.
what? i need to shut up now
so sorry, way overtired.....keepp crossing threads n cant seem to stop.
be at peace all, ill try to shut up.
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