THE CRUCIFIXION - BY AN EYEWITNESS
THE CRUCIFIXION - BY AN EYEWITNESS
http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txt
http://www.harisingh.com/news2C1a.htm
The scribes of the four gospels as you know were not themselves eyewitnesses of the event of Crucifixion of Jesus; as Matthew plainly admits; they the disciples all fled away.
So whatever they wrote is just an account of hearsay.
Please access the above links to know of “eye witness” account of the event.Actually "The Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ According To St. John" was written by St. John who was an eye witness. John 19: 26-27 says "When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own."
John refers to himself as the disciple whom Jesus loved through out the Gospel.
Secondly, this website you are quoting here. Since you believe this to be a sacred writing that your readers should believe, please confirm that it is a writing that all Muslims believe to be true. If it is not a sacred scripture of Muslims, please state why you believe it.John was not an eye-witness; Matthew makes no exception of John; he says that all fled away.
So Muslims believe that the Gospel of Matthew is true and the Gospel of John is not. Please explain. Also explain whether the Gospel of Luke and the Gospel of Mark are true or not.
Please list the writings other than the Quran that Muslims believe are sacred and true.They may be true sometimes while most of the times they may not be true. They don't contain, any of them, Word of Revelation from the Creator-God Allah YHWH in the original language reveald; they contain hearsay account of Jesus' life.
From Crucifixion by an eye-witness:
I was deeply anxious that Joseph and
Nicodemus should return. At last some
Galilean women were seen approaching on
their return from Bethania, whither they
had brought Mary, the mother of Jesus, in
the care of the Esseer friends.
And among the women was also Mary,
the sister of Lazarus, who had loved Jesus,
and she wept loudly. But before she could
pour out her grief, and while John was
gazing intently at the wound in Jesus' side,
heeding naught else, Joseph and Nicode-
mus returned in great haste. Joseph
through his dignity had moved Pilate, and
Pilate, having received information as to
the death of the crucified, gave the body to
Joseph, and without taking pay therefor.
For Pilate had a great reverence for
Joseph, and secretly repented of the execu-
tion. When Nicodemus saw the wound,
flowing with water and blood, his eyes were
animated with new hope, and he spoke en-couragingly,
foreseeing what was to happen.
73
http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txtFrom Crucifixion by an eye-witness:
He (Nicodemus) drew Joseph aside to where I stood,
some distance from John, and spoke in a
low, hurried tone: "Dear friends, be of
good cheer, and let us to work. Jesus is
not dead. He seems so only because his
strength is gone."
"While Joseph was with Pilate I hur-
ried over to our colony and fetched the
herbs that are useful in such cases. But I
admonish you that you tell not John that
we hope to reanimate the body of Jesus,
lest he could not conceal his great joy.
And dangerous indeed would it be if the
people should come to know it, for our
enemies would then put us all to death with
him. ,,
After this they hurried to the cross, and,
according to the prescriptions of the medi-
cal art, they slowly untied his bonds, drew
the spikes out from his hands, and with
great care laid him on the ground.
Thereupon, Nicodemus spread strong
spices and healing salves on long pieces of
"byssus" which he had brought, and whose
use was known only in our Order.
74
http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txtMore from Crucifixion by an eye-witness:
These he (Nicodemus) wound about Jesus ' body, pre-
tending that he did so to keep the body
from decaying until after the feast, when
he would then embalm it.
These spices and salves had great heal-
ing powers, and were used by our Esseer
Brethren who knew the rules of medical
science for the restoration to consciousness
of those in a state of death-like fainting.
And even as Joseph and Nicodemus were
bending over his face and their tears fell
upon him, they blew into him their own
breath, and warmed his temples.
Still Joseph was doubtful of his recovery
to life, but Nicodemus encouraged him to
increase their efforts. Nicodemus spread
balsam in both the nail-pierced hands, but
he believed that it was not best to close up
the wound in Jesus' side, because he con-
sidered the flow of blood and water there-
from helpful to respiration and beneficial
in the renewing of life.
In the midst of his grief and sorrow,
John did not believe that life would return
to the body of his friend, and he did not
hope to see him again until they should
meet in ' ' Scheol. ' '
The body was then laid in the sepulchre
made in the rocks, which belonged to
Joseph. They then smoked the grotto
with aloe and other strengthening herbs,
and while the body lay upon the bed of
moss, still stiff and inanimate, they placed
a large stone in front of the entrance,
that the vapors might better fill the grotto.
This done, John, with some others, went
to Bethania, to comfort his grief-stricken
mother.
75
http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txtMore from the crucifixion by an eye-witness:
One of our brethren went to the grave,
in obedience to the order of the Brother-
hood, dressed in the white robe of the
fourth degree. He went by way of a secret
path which ran through the mountain to
the grave, and which was known only to
the Order.
When the timid servants of the high-
priest saw the white-robed Brother on the
mountain slowly approaching, and partial-
ly obscured by the morning mist, they were
seized with a great fear, and they thought
that an angel was descending from the
mountain.
When this Brother arrived at the grave
which he was to guard, he rested on the
stone which he had pulled from the en-
trance according to his orders ; whereupon
the soldiers fled and spread the report that
an angel had driven them away.
When the Esseer youth had set himself
down upon the stone, there came a new
earth-shock, and a draft of air passing
down the grotto blew out the lamp and
gave place for the morning light.
Thirty hours had now passed since the
assumed death of Jesus. And when the
Brother, having heard a slight noise within
the grotto, went in to observe what had
happened, he smelled a strange odor in the
air, such as often occurs when the earth is
about to vomit forth fire.
And the youth observed with inexpressi-
ble joy that the lips of the body moved, and
that it breathed. He at once hastened to
Jesus to assist him, and heard slight
sounds rising from his breast. The face
assumed a living appearance, and the eyes
opened and in astonishment gazed at the
novice of our Order.
78-79
http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txtThere is no biblical scripture to substantiate this tale. I therefore see it as some Muslim Islamic tale told to try and discredit the facts reported in the Holy Bible.
Simly prove your assertions 2 b right innit? Usmanali.
It seems that the MO of this guy is to start a thread with an inflamatory remark. Wait for serious minded people to take the bait, then when the questions get too tough, he abandons it and starts a thread somewhere else.
I have drawn my own conclusions about this person, let others draw their's and leave him to enjoy his own mischief making.Absolute truth you speak iantoPF!
He starts a dozen threads a day and when the heat gets on him.... he abandons it and starts a new one... some with the exact same title!"THE CRUCIFIXION - BY AN EYEWITNESS" is the title of this thread.
What is bad in this title? Please
Nothing wrong in the Title, it would make a good title for a Hub. Why don't you write one?
Remember, name of the site;
THE CRUCIFIXION - BY AN EYEWITNESS" is the title of this thread; and I don't mind if somebody refutes the arguments
Jesus recognized his Esseer
friends:
This occurred just as I was leaving with
the brethren of the first degree, from the
council, with Joseph, who had come to con-
sult how to bring help.
Nicodemus, who was an experienced phy-
sician, said, on the way, that the peculiar
condition of the atmosphere caused by the
revolution of the elements was beneficial to
Jesus, and that he never had believed that
Jesus really was dead. And he further
said that the blood and water which flowed
from the wound was a sure sign that life
was not extinct.
Conversing thus, we arrived at the grot-
to, Joseph and Nicodemus going before.
We were in all twenty-four brethren of the
first degree.
Entering, we perceived the white-robed
novice kneeling upon the moss-strewn
floor of the grotto, supporting the head of
the revived Jesus on his breast.
And as Jesus recognized his Esseer
friends, his eyes sparkled with joy; his
cheeks were tinted with a faint red, and he
sat up, asking: " Where am It"
Then Joseph embraced him, folded him
in his arms, told him how it all had come
to pass, and how he was saved from actual
death by a profound fainting fit, which the
soldiers on Calvary had thought was death.
And Jesus wondered, and felt on him-
self; and, praising God, he wept on the
breast of Joseph. Then Nicodemus urged
his friend to take some refreshments, and
he ate some dates and some bread dipped
in honey. And Nicodemns gave wine to
drink, after which Jesus was greatly re-
freshed, so that he raised himself up.
80-81
http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txtTHE CRUCIFIXION - BY AN EYEWITNESS:
Then it was that he (Jesus) became conscious of
the wounds in his hands and in his side.
But the balsam which Nicodemus had
spread upon them had a soothing effect,
and they had already commenced to heal.
After the "byssus" wrappings had been
taken off and the muckender was removed
from his head, Joseph spoke and said:
"This is not a place in which to remain
longer, for here the enemies might easily
discover our secret, and betray us."
But Jesus was not yet strong enough to
walk far, wherefore he was conducted to
the house belonging to our Order, that is
close by Calvary, in the garden, which also
belongs to our brethren.
Another young Brother of our Order
was dispatched at once to assist the novice
who had been watching by the grave of
Jesus, to annihilate every trace of the
byssus wrappings and the medicines and
drugs used.
When Jesus arrived at the house of our
brethren he was faint and weak. His
wounds had begun to cause him pain. He
was much moved, in that he considered it
all as a miracle.
1 < God has let me rise, ' ' he said, [ ' that he
may prove in me that which I have taught,
and I will show my disciples that I do live. ' '
And after a little while the two young
men who had gone to put the grave in
order, came hurriedly back and brought
the message that the friends of Jesus soon
would come to seek him.
82
http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txtTHE CRUCIFIXION - BY AN EYEWITNESS:
And they related how they had heard a
noise, when at work in the grotto, as of
many people coming to the fence that sur-
rounds the garden. When they had retired
yet further into the grotto, there came a
woman on the road from Jerusalem, and
when she saw that the stone had been
rolled away from the grave she manifested
great fear. She thought that something
had happened to the body, and hurried
away to Bethlehem.
But soon thereafter other women came
from Jerusalem, and approached the
grave. Wondering greatly, they had en-
tered the grave, and one of them, on look-
ing for the body in the place where it had
lain, beheld our Brother, and in terror
pointed him out to her companions. When
the other Brother also came in view, the
women fell upon their faces, and thought
they had beheld angels.
And the brethren spoke to them as they
had been ordered by those of the first de-
gree, and one of them said to the women :
" Jesus is risen. Do not look for him here.
Say to his disciples that they will find him
in Galilee.' ' And the other told them to
gather the disciples and conduct them to
Galilee.
This was devised by the wisdom of Jo-
seph, for he would not that they should
look for Jesus at Jerusalem, for his safe-
ty's sake. And the brethren went out of
the cavern by the rear entrance, and ob-
served that some of the women hastened
on the road to Bethania, whereupon the
young Brothers hurried to us in the house
to tell us of what had come to pass.
84
http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txtTHE CRUCIFIXION - BY AN EYEWITNESS:
Thus the Esseer friends pleaded with
Jesus to remain in concealment, for his
safety's sake, and to recover his strength.
But Jesus was moved by a great desire to
prove to his friends that he still lived.
Im-pelled by this desire, and feeling himself
refreshed and strengthened, he asked for
clothes, that he might go forth among his
friends. He was immediately clothed in
the Esseer working-garb, such as our
brethren wear when at work. In this dress
he appeared as a gardener.
In the meantime the two young Brothers
had gone again to the grave, as their work
there was not yet completed. While there
they saw the same woman return who came
first to the grave, as John and Peter mean-
while had made known among the disciples
what had come to pass.
This woman, thus returning to the grave,
thought the two novices were angels guard-
ing the empty grave, and she wept.
One of the novices, of kindly disposition,
in a gentle and soothing voice spoke to the
woman and asked her why she wept. This
woman was Mary, whom Jesus had loved
and had been obliged to leave in accordance
with the laws of our holy Brotherhood.
And as she was lamenting that Jesus did
not lie where he had been placed before the
Sabbath, Jesus stood behind her, dressed in
the garb of a gardener.
Animated by the desire to see again those
he loved, and to proclaim to them that he
still lived, he had disregarded the advice
of the brethren that he remain in conceal-
ment, and, leaving the house, he had taken
the path through the garden to the rock
where the grave was hewn.
When Mary saw him she thought him to
be the gardener. But Jesus knew her, and
rejoicing in her love he spoke to her. Still,
in his weak and suffering condition, she did
not know him. But when he exclaimed,
"Mary!" she knew him and longed to kiss
his feet and thereafter embrace him.
86
http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txtwhich God do you follow paar, God (CHRISTIAN) Allah (MUSLIM) YHWH ( JEWISH) .................. do not quote all 3 Gods paar pick which one you follow and foget the other two.
Muhammad! It's not the God of Abraham! Very different personalities!
Surely all those are just different names for the same mythical being, depending on where you are standing ?
Whatever you say China man! Apparently you like following me around and posting to my comments? Isn't this against the rules to follow someone and harrass them? Hmmm???
If you say it's mythical...then to you it is! However in reality science cannot prove or disprove a God! That's called omniscience!!!
What I said in my comment is true! Thanks for nothing! The God of Abraham in the Bible is a different God in personality than the God of the Qu'ran!You are correct! Science can't prove there aren't hundreds, if not thousands, of gods who vie for the souls of men. What they would want them for (if they indeed exist) is beyond me!
You flatter yourself - it is unlikely that anyone is following you around let alone me. I just respond to stupid comments, ridiculous thinking in print, moralising and ignorance wherever I find it.
Such comments as these gods have a different 'personality' Hmmm ? A person has personality, gods - factual fictional or imaginary - could only be said to have godness. And your arrogant assumption to speak for a possible omnipotent being and trying to tell me what it thinks and how it behaves is laughable in the extreme !
It is not necessary to threaten me, far bigger mouths have done it all before, and also - to your credit - far more obnoxious people than you. In fact, on balance I quite like you and some of your posts I can even agree with.
Peace.Hi friend libby101a
It is the Christians inventing a new god Trinity; Abraham never believed in this trinity-god or jesus-god. The God of the Abraham as mentioned in OT and Quran is the same; no difference.
I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslimpaar how can you love Jesus, all you do is attack Jesus is this love?
paar why do you disrepect Jesus?
Paar why do you disrepect Christians with a vengance?
I do not disrepect or respect Allah, or Mohammed ( after all the poor bugger could not read or write)so Mohammed could not write the Quran nor could Mohammed see if the so caled scribes wrote his 'visions' down correct, so tell me this how can anybody say the Quran is correct, just a thought.
I do not even hate you paar, as you only heap untruth and missquotes as well as false statements about my Lord Jesus Christ who died on the cross to save mankind, yes even you paar.
God bless,
May The Lord Jesus Christ help you to see' the way the truth and the light.' without insults.
Well then, I guess it's only a matter of time before the video is posted to YouTube.
Have you ( the OP) not got anything better to do than post some crap about an event no-one can prove did or didn't happen?
Hi friend jondav
You know the majority of the people in the world are Christians; they think Jesus died a curesed death on Cross; such a mythical belief. I think it is time well-consumed to bring them to the reality; it is in service of the humanity to bring them out of superstition and myth.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
still follow you paar untill you answer my question, Why if the Quran is correct and reasonable, the Quran says you can have 1 to 4 wives only, you must do what is written in the Quran, why can Mohemmed have OVER 12 WIVES, when the Quran clearly says 1 to 4?? ANSWER PAAR
It is clearly to do with depreciation of assets. I guess the exchange rate at that time was quite good in the improving economic situation that the rise of Islam brought to that region. I mean, with a surplus of women and the high price of camels it would make sense to get more woman for your money. And maybe he did not favour fat women, so would have a price/weight advantage ?
THE CRUCIFIXION - BY AN EYEWITNESS
But Jesus, feeling the pain in his hands
and side, feared to embrace her lest he
might thereby injure his wounds. He there-
fore moved back from her as she ap-
proached, and said:
1 ' Touch me not. Though I still live, yet
soon shall I go to my Father in heaven ; for
my body is become feeble and soon shall be
dissolved, that my death may be fulfilled."
As the woman knelt down, and with great
excitement fixed her eyes upon him, Jesus
heard the sound of approaching footsteps,
and, careful for his safety, hastened back,
placing himself behind the garden wall not
far from the garden of our friends.
And the two youths who were charged to
guard the grave, and who had been in-
structed to thwart the enemies' spies who
were seeking to find Jesus, had seen and
heard all this.
Meanwhile Joseph, Nicodemus and the
other brethren had come from the house
into the garden to look after Jesus and take
due care that he was not in peril because of
his great weakness. This Nicodemus feared
inasmuch as he had seen that the wounds
were more inflamed and the flesh where the
strong cords had been was now dark of
color.
When we had arrived at the entrance of
the garden we beheld Jesus standing behind
the wall and resting against it as if he could
go no further.
87
http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txtThis was an interesting read, I've never read it before. It must be what the Masonic Lodge is all about, I assume. As for whether this account is true or not: maybe it is, maybe it isn't. It is an eye opener, another account.
Thanks for your appreciation.
There were infact forty gospels out of which only four are included in the Bible; the selection was made at random or without any merit. In the times of Edward VII , Church of England published all the forty bound in one volume, for presentation of the King at his coronation; this shows that the Church respects or should respect all the forty equally and equitbly.
The four gosples fail to describe the whole life account of Jesus; they covered only three years of his life; hence it is imperative for the Christians that the read all the forty gospels to know about the truthful life account of Jesus who died at the age of 120/125 years in India.paar Jesus never went to India how could he Jesus died on the Cross, I belonged to The Church of England for a part of my life, and their bible has less that the Catholic bible in the OT the NT are the same, so give me proof of your insane belief, Jesus never went to India ( prove it from the Quran or the Bible) or stop yoir uniformed attacks on Jusus paar, if as you say all 40 were given to the King how come they are not in the KJV of the Bibly. As usual you are mistaken and can only ATTACK Jesus, ( GIVE ME PROOF PAAR)
NOT THE BIBLE ACCORDING TO PAAR!!!There is considerable evidence that the central figure of your religion went to India - at least as much as there is for his existence in the first place - why don't you stop shouting abuse and answer the questions he asks you, then perhpaps he might answer some of yours although I see he actually does this occasionally.
chinaman, first paar must prove any attacks on Jesus can be verified, verify Jesus went to India, even Mainstream Muslims say this is false, mainstrean Islam says Jesus NEVER WENT TO INDIA so were is this 'considerable proof' produce it?
when did paar answer any question except with another question?
paar started the abuse and attacks on Jesus, he has only showen disrepect to Jesus and Christians ', what you give out you get back, he stops I stop'
now chinaman produce your proof that Jesus went ti India?I agree with you. One may Google and find lot of information on this; from India, from Hindu scriptures, from Buddhist sources and a lot more.
Buth the "Christians" are mythical, they cannot face the reality.paar it is you that CANNOT face REALITY, your only reason for EXISTENCE os to try ( and always fail) to discredit Christianity.
You say Jesus did not die on the cross, Blatent lie.
You say Jesus was saved by your God Allah, Blatent lie.
You say Jesus went to India Blatent lie.
you always attack Jesus, yet say you love Jesus Blatent Lie.
you say Jesus prayed to your God Allah blatent lie.
You say Jesus and Mohammed and now Budda were friends, blatent lie.
What is next paar before you run out of insults about Jesus???This is not scripture. If the original source is a certain historian, then the account is definitely in doubt. It could come from one of the gospels that didn't make the cut into the finished testament. The stated reason would have been that the account was doubtful.
well said Druid Dute,
Have a good day'
God bless
THE CRUCIFIXION - BY AN EYEWITNESS:
It was about this time that John hastened
from the city, and looking into the grotto
had found it vacant. For the two youths
had made their way to our garden through
the secret entrance to the grotto.
Peter also arrived, and both together
searched throughout the grotto for signs of
the body. Entering the inner part of the
grotto they found the muckender where the
novices had thrown it, whence they had fled
at the arrival of these two strange persons.
In earnest conversation the two disciples
hurried back into the city.
And Jesus had slowly walked along the
wall until he had reached the little gate that
opens to the valley of Mount ^Grihon."
There he listened to the conversation of
some women outside the wall. When he
came forth and the women had beheld him
they believed that they had seen an appari-
tion. But Jesus spoke to them in order that
they might know that it was indeed him-
self.
88
http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txtname your source Paar, is it the Bible the Quran.??
no good unless you name your source ok?
Related Discussions
- 22
is Gabriel same or different in christainity and islam?
by pisean282311 14 years ago
is this same angel gabriel which appears in bible as well as quran?..
- 39
All Muslims believe that Jesus was a messenger .Do Christians have similar belie
by Mahmo 12 years ago
All Muslims believe that Jesus was a messenger .Do Christians have similar belief in Mohammed ?Jesus is mentioned in the Koran as messenger of ( God ) Allah.
- 18
"The Crucifixion" by An Eyewitness
by paarsurrey 14 years ago
http://www.harisingh.com/news2C4.htmHi friendsSomebody I am not acquainted with accessed my blog and left the link given above. One may read it and make best use of it, if found reasonable and truthful.I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.ThanksI am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
- 41
Muslim and Islamist----What's the difference?
by Brenda Durham 14 years ago
I wanted to try to pin down some actual FACTS about this subject, but my ability to do research is limited 'cause I'm pretty much homebound right now....and in looking online, the info I find there is very confusing.There are definitions of "Muslim" and "Islam" that seem to be...
- 23
SOME ISLAMIC PRINCIPLES
by Prince Maak 16 years ago
SOME ISLAMIC PRINCIPLESOneness of God: Islam rejects the idea of multiple manifestations of Allah. Oneness of mankind: People are created equal in the Law of God. There is no superiority of one race over another. Oneness of Messengers and the Message: Muslims believe God sent different messengers...
- 82
Who was the first Muslim?
by Religulous 13 years ago
I was just reading that the Koran refers to Abraham as being the first Muslim. Is that correct?